ditchmyster

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Oh dear, oh dear, your really not on form today are you tubbs.

I think I did a pretty good job of stating my case in my earlier posts.

This is the part of the discussion where YOU take the opportunity to tell us all about the prowess of the mighty STI and how much better it is in every way than the humble poor mans version, NOT make a feeble attempt to put the onus on me.

Shall we do this another day when your feeling a little more up for the task, or would you like to call for a time out to gather your thoughts.

Just out of curiosity, did you buy the boot lid with the lip spoiler off cannon fodder?

tubbytommy

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And i stated why i did. Better gearbox and avcs make power more usuable and the brakes work unlike the wrx version which you had to upgrade.
Yes brembos all fail and need helicoiling but its a permament fix
your trolling fail is confirmed by the need to edit post 23 earlier and all the other edited posts.

MattyB1983

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Again you talk about a WRX with PPP, would your argument stand up if we were comparing two unmodified cars ?

I feel its an unfair comparison Ditch, your talking about a modified car (and we all know how much the ppp package cost when new) against an unmodified car.
Put a standard WRX next to a standard STI and a clear road of any description infront and im certain the STI would get to B first.

Id also imagine that when new, after adding the PPP pack, better brakes and suspension to the WRX it would be pretty much the same price as the STI.

tubbytommy

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Standard sti still wins due to wrxs brakes and suspension not being up to the job.

ditchmyster

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Oh dear I've told you, I don't troll, I leave that sort of thing up to you as it's the only area in which you excel, and I think there is plenty of evidence as to who the site troll is between your good self and moi.

My posts were merely a statement of fact, you were the one who butted in and started hurling insults, as for the editing of posts, it was merely for typo's or to add stuff, but think what you like, or better still just make up something to detract from the real discussion.

I notice you have also done some editing of your own.

tubbytommy

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Post 23 is a direct troll at me especially after the edit.(typos meaning making the troll more obvious)
i dont mind as you know i like that sort of thing
so as we both know the trolling has failed lets get back on topic.
If the wrx is the better all rounder with more comfortable suspension why did you need to upgrade it along with its brakes?

ditchmyster

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I merely came in at the point the OP asked about WRX PPP V"S the standard STI or the PPP STI, now I have agreed that the standard STI IS a quicker car than a standard WRX, but I feel once you add the PPP to a WRX which bare in mind is considerably cheaper than an STI an indeed an STI with PPP then it's a different story, factor in that we are not talking buying new here and the premium for the PPP is basically zero as the extra cost has been some what lost in the sands of time, I don't believe anyone still pays more for a car based on whether or not it has PPP, I certainly would not.

After all said and done we are talking about 8/10 year old cars here and I don't believe there is a great deal to be gained if anything at all in buying a clapped out 02/03 STI for £6k over a sweeter 54/55 WRX PPP for £4K.

I don't care what anyone says there IS bugger all in it between the two, and the sooner people start to tell newbs this the better in stead of STI, STI,STI, funny how it's always the owners of STI's that bang on about them, but they are the same ones that change just about everything about them, so I throw it right back at ya, If they are soooooo ******* fantastic why change sooooo much stuff on them.

tubbytommy

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Ppp or not the wrx still has rubbish brakes and suspension as you found out.
to be quick you need to stop and go around corners so these need upgrading so the sti is the more sensible choice.

ditchmyster

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Which part of " I bought it like that" did you not understand.

As has been said before, "It's pointless arguing with idiots as they will drag one down to their level and win through experience"

Isn't there a thread somewhere for you to go and put the frighteners on a newb who dared to post a pic of his car.

Your even starting to bore me with your ****, and I don't usually mind banter, but your just at play ground level and not worth the effort.

lol, at the troll shouting troll.

tubbytommy

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Sorry ditchy i must have missed out the edit where you added the bought like that part.
My bad so many edits from you to cover your tracks i couldnt keep up.
lol at the playground comment after your epic troll edit on post 23.

the wrx is a good car let down by poor brakes and suspension. The sti is a better car. Nothing more to say other than ppp is rubbish anyway a custom map is far better

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

This thread is funny, wonder if we can get yet another 10 pager.
The OP's head must be spinning......lol.....

OP, get yourself a £4000 WRX. Spend a grand on brakes, £500 on suspension upgrades and £500 on a few engine tweaks and mapping.
But then thats STI money, now im bloody confused !!!!!

Damb you tubbs and ditch :-(

Artoir

Just to add fuel to the fire reply reference your comment about the STI spoiler at 140mph+, straight lines are for girls.

On the twisties (where the Impreza was made for), the shorter STI box excels.

pcressie

Sorry to hijack the thread slightly. I'm thinking of buying a Blob sti. I'm not that up on them and hoping someone could tell me weather its best to get a late blob with the wider track, also what else changed on them? Or just to buy the best I can find. Cheers

tubbytommy

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I wouldnt take a lot of notice of ditchy his posts are tinged with sti envy along with a large scoop of attempted trolling.


you are correct though.

ditchmyster

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Mate you really should read my posts and try and ingest what it is i'm saying before you start playing the troll card, and just blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, and banging on about editing posts to troll you.

Just to recap, my first post was with regards some one else's comment about there being bugger all in it, then I outlined my point of view, went back to edit something on my first post, which after reading through was a bit wrongly worded at which point I also added the bit about the bonnet and maybe the spoiler, then as that was getting messy I made another post with reference to mods / standard STI parts that will require changing due to failure, which include the brakes and suspension, which also happen to be the main components that in your own words need changing on the WRX because they are crap, but I was merely pointing out that on an STI in this price bracket and age these will also require changing, thus rendering there use a a selling point null and void.

I'm even starting to get confused as to what and when I said it, but I assure you it was not an attempt at trolling I was only trying to present what I feel is a balanced un-biased view of the best way for the OP to spend his money on either car 10/11 year old car v's a 7/8 year old car.

Although I will admit I felt sure knowing you the way I do that you would be along to spout, oops I mean state your crap.

ditchmyster

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Agreed, but only on the JDM models.

Oh and you'll notice my type r is spoiler less, Drag is for queens.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Iv'e got a V3 STI TYPE R you numpty.

jayallen

iTrader: (31)

Ditch you're talking out your ****.....There is a huge difference between a WRX and STI in newage form....You really dont need me to list the differences, you know them as well as me.

8-9 years ago when i owned a Bug WRX i took a friends Blob STI for a spin, i came back and put the bug up for sale....i was surprised how much different the two were and how much the WRX was lacking over the STI!

......as for a daily driver, there cant be many people who when looking for an everyday car throw an Impreza into the hat. Now-a-days IMO its financial suicide to even consider such a car unless your expendable income allows otherwise. These cars are hardly cheap to run/maintain hence the reason they have become so cheap or being broken for spares.

The WRX is a great car and IMO a good stepping stone to an STI, but it isnt an STI and isnt better than an STI no matter how you want to wrap it up....Post a thread up asking ex WRX owners if they regretted selling their WRX for an STI....we both know what the outcome would be.

Im now off to MLR to see if i can find a thread where the GSR 260 owners are banging on about how the 260 is a better car than the MR..

Which reminds me, OP....forget an Impreza, go straight for an EVO you wont regret it..

ditchmyster

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Hello gayallan
First one with his tongue up the batty of tubbs, well at least I do my **** talking from my **** and not from someone elses.

Another one that actually needs to read what's written and put his brain into gear before the mouth goes into action.

First point 8/9 years ago, EXACTLY.

Second point, you got that right especially if you do lots of miles, but there is a way to get that performance and save £3k it's called a WRX PPP.

Third point, CORRECT.

2 out of 3 not too shabby, now actually offer some cold hard facts that contradict what i'm saying.

These are OLD cars now, please tell me exactly how an 10/11 year old car with knackered suspension and brakes as well as tired running gear is better than a car of similar power that's 4/5 yrs younger and none of the above issues, baring in mind the OP has £6k to spend NOW not 8/9 years ago.

Kam B

Dafuq has happened to my what car post ROFL

I'm off back to passionford to ask about bmw's

Thanks fudge :P

Rob swallow

Don't buy a 2.5!!! Chocolate engines!!!! Read the posts on here.

GONZO01

iTrader: (6)

So are we saying a wrx with ppp is better than a standard sti? What about a wrx with ppp and a wrx sti with ppp which car is better then? I was torn between a wrx sti uk either an 03/04/05 plate or a wrx sti jdm 03/04/05 plate but I'm even more confused which is best to buy now?

ditchmyster

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All depends what you intend to use it for, how much you have to spend and what your future plans are.

The only reason I get the hump over this is because some give poor advice and don't listen to the OP and take into consideration the budget and requirements.

All they do is bang on about the STI being the better car and everyone should get one without exception regardless of budget, if you haven't got the money for an 05 wide track UK STI or JDM STI then save more money until you can afford one, or if you don't have one you MUST aspire to own one or your plain jealous of those that have one, yes they are great cars and the best spec, but also not for everyone, and if you only have £6k then yes a WRX PPP is a better car than a clapped out standard STI, and the stats tell us it's faster too, but shusssss don't tell anyone.

Horses for courses, the right tool for the job, and all that glitters is not gold.

My cars better than yours, now give me my ball back.

Artoir

Yea you'd have to be bonkers...

jayallen

iTrader: (31)

Hello dickmyster...

The only place my tongue has been of late is between your wifes legs but thats another thread...

I think supping on your mothers breast milk until your early teens has now started to show its long term effects.....i mean.....trying to convince yourself a WRX wagon with PPP and a set of old AP 4 pots is better all round car than an STI is proof of that...Its laughable

It wasnt long ago i questioned/mentioned...put it how you want...that IMO there wasn't much difference between a Spec C and and a newage STI. You came wading in giving it the big one with your superior Subaru knowledge that they were worlds apart...............and now here you are sayng that there isn't much difference between a WRX and an STI

Im not knocking WRX's, far from it...but, my point is based on experience of having owned both, ive no idea what yours is based on maybe you can tell me....? I only joined in on this thread after reading your skewed outlook on both cars, it has nothing to do with "biggin" up the STI or being a "fanboy" it was to pass on some of the experience ive picked up over 10+ years or owning Imprezas.

LuckyWelshchap

"Hi, my name's Kam and I'm asking fellow human beings for advice"

Instead of a friendly community who will jointly be as helpful as they can the OP finds that he's started a civil war.

Fwiw you're still better off with a Subaru Kam. They are brilliant cars M8.
You'll never get the best, just like you'll never get the best of anything you'd like, because like me you won't be a lottery winner.

I can only say "BUY ONE".
And also, when you're looking at one, post back on here asking for people's views on your possible choice.

You'll get honest opinions, not people's preferences.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I give up, it's like trying to get a straight answer out of a politician, dancing around the subject but not actually answering the question.

Well, I think I have the answer, it's the fog light covers, the red light on the dash and the badge on the back.

Ok i'm convinced, i'll sell both mine and buy an STI.

Oh and gayallen, ya MUM.

the shreksta

iTrader: (20)

if all you two can do is try and insult each other with your mum/wife phrases then there isnt much hope for you is there? i mean c'mon guys thats what 14yr olds do.

to the op....

for your budget of 6k i would look for a bug sti (i didnt bother as i dont really like the look of them and they are prone to underside corrosion) or a blob wrx,for 6k you will get a tired high mileage blob sti or a nice modded well kept wrx.

last year i swapped my civic type r (worth £4300) for my 1st scoob,i couldnt afford an sti at the time so i settled for the best wrx i could find.it had the same power as a standard sti and better brakes but it was (and still is) on standard suspension altho i have a set of bc coilovers coming next week for it

obviously the sti will be a better car but not for the amount you want to spend but dont be put off by the wrx,a simple brake/suspension upgrade and a remap make them into a perfect fast road car,i loved the way my wrx spooled up with the standard turbo,i now run a sti turbo on it and altho its produces more grunt its no way near as quick to spool

as for the gearbox...............yes a six speed is the desired option for mega power but it comes at a big expense (£1.5k+)BUT a 5 speed can handle big power too,my 5 speed came from a version 6 sti-it was rebuilt by api and it ran @ 380bhp for years,now its in my blob and its running 354bhp.

its hit and miss with them and how they have been treated,people say the standard 5 speed will cope with 350bhp blah blah blah my 5 speed started to make nasty noises at 265bhp and duncan was telling me he mapped a blob with a 5 speed to 410bhp.i paid £300 for my gearbox with a diff/shafts/short shifter kit etc and its a close ratio box so my 0-60 time is fast,i dont use the car on the motorway so i dont miss the long ratios but i suggest if thats what you will use the car for then look for a long ratio box

leave your self enough in your budget for a timing kit change/oil change and maybe a check over by a specialist just for peace of mind.

i have my car up for sale,so have a read of the advert and see what you can get for your money,yes an sti is the desired option if you have £8k+ which you dont

hope this helps matey and as said before by somebody else................stay clear of the 2.5 engines..................

heres a link to my car

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...-for-sale.html

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Finally a voice of reason and some good advice.^^

Good post, well done that man.

And yes your right, it is playground stuff, sometimes one has to deal with people in a language and manner they understand.

domino46

As the impreza get newer the WRX and sti become further apart and the sti is the one focused on power and handling not the WRX ,,,yes the classic WRX and sti were very close when compared to each other but by the time you get to the newage imprezas they are like chalk and cheese with diffrent engines , track , interior , gearbox the list goes on and anyone who wants a performance car is far better off starting out with a sti than a WRX as most WRX owners end up replacing parts with sti ones shortly after buying a WRX anyway,,,,I know when I got my first WRX I didn't know any better and spent the next few years replacing bits with unrated ones to keep up with my mates STI's ,,,so now when iv just gone out and brought impreza number 2 I waited till I could afford a STI as I didn't want t make the same mistake twice