CREWJ

With Rooney and RVP injured it's going to be a tough month ahead.

I really liked Rooney sitting back in midfield against Villa. He moves the ball around so well he would benefit the team so much better playing the Scholes role. I've said this for so long now it was nice to see him play that role more.

Funkii Munkii

I'd agree and have said similar in the past couple of years but he wants to play up front and as a striker we need to respect that, maybe when he's older

Some of his passes against Villa to Valencia out on the wing were on a sixpence, Valencia didn't even have to move !!

CREWJ

The worst part is he gets frustrated when he doesn't get the service. Problem is, he could deliver the service himself.

hodgy0_2

the truth is players like Rooney, RVP, Suarez are just so much better and more talented than the rest of the donkeys who play around them

it must be very frustrating for them

P1Fanatic

What are your thoughts midway through the season? I was prepared for a transition phase but never did I think we would be playing this bad. Confidence is at an all time low and without rooney and RvP we look very ordinary. The only ones who seem to have any fight in them are Welbeck and Januzaj (who impresses more and more each match especially now as he seems to be stopping the diving).

Is Moyes really that bad or did Fergie have us punching above our weight? Our midfield is all over the place and not replacing Scholes with a quality player has caught up with us. Vidic looks ok his way out in the summer. Evra still has it going forward but in defense he is making some howlers. Evans and Smalling are not going to get us far. De Gea looks a great keeper but without a solid midfield and defence in front of him he doesn’t stand a chance.

mrtheedge2u2

I think Moyes has been shown in his natural colours - a mid-table manager at best. How anyone at Utd thought he was A1 is beyond me.

Also, a lot of the players at the moment think they have the given right to the three points and don't want to actually have to work for it.

Being from Manchester and a Utd supporter it is sad to see but Moyes and his signings have been a disaster and we have been found wanting.

Brun

Fergie lost 8 of his first 28 games as Manager and Moyes has lost 8 of his first 32!

P1Fanatic

Moyles inherited a team that whilst not the best UTD side of all time - they were still reigning league champions. Fergie got a team from big Ron that was 2nd from bottom in Div 1 and ended up finishing 11th in ’87. Hardly a fair comparison. But if we had managed to get Maureen instead of Moyles do you think we would be struggling as much?

JDM_Stig

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all of Marouane Fellaini,
Being honest who else would Man Utd have taken as manager ?
Short term there was a chance of Mourino but who else?
Moyes has over achieved at Everton on the budget he was allowed, why wont he do the same given time to actually sign players he wants,
As many of the Utd fans have said the majority of their players are just not good enough or want to play for him,
As many pundits have said he was dropped in it by Utd/Fergie in the transfer window, why hadn`t Fergie got anything lined up ? or if it was known that Moyes would take over why wasnt there a plan ?

He has come into a Big club and is trying to make his mark, from backroom staff to getting the respect of the players in a short time,

If he buys no one and they are still crap next season then you can start having a dig but Utd havent been a great team for a while so the bubble had to burst,
Without RVP last season they would have been in the same position as this year.

Brun

Dunno - I rate Moyes and think he should be given a decent shot.
To a certain extent I think Fergie got out at the right time. It reminds me of when Kenny Dalglish left Liverpool and a bunch of Superstars who were in the twilights of their careers and Souness had to build a new team.
Utd used to have world beaters all over the park but now...........

An0n0m0us

As a Gooner and therefore an outsider looking in I think Moyes is a very good manager based on his track record at Everton and what he achieved on only a tiny budget in comparison to other teams.

He simply needs time to get the right players he wants and to create the team he wants. At the moment he has an inherited squad of players used to the Fergie way and nothing else. They have to adapt to a new manager, they are paid enough money to be able to do so and to work hard for the new manager. Some of them when i've seen any games on TV don't seem to have the same work rate they did when Fergie was in charge and they need to buck their ideas up. The manager takes the flack for the results but it's the players on the pitch who make the mistakes and they are too experienced to be able to pass the blame on to the manager.

thestumper

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I think it’s a bit of both, Fergie’s teams carried a fear factor that help them punch above their weight especially the last couple of years when the squad or at least the midfield hasn’t been the best. Moyes I feel is also out of his depth and I am still not sure how you can instate a manager who has won f**k all! Fergie came to united with a good reputation having won domestic leagues and cup plus the Uefa cup winners cup with Aberdeen. Moyes has come with nothing and will more than likely go with nothing.

Even Fergie had a run of bad results, but you always felt that he could lift the players and they would respond, Moyes looks out of ideas and the players are not responding to him, his tactics and his training methods.

To be fair it maybe a Championship winning team he has inherited, they are not his players. To give a man a fair crack of the whip you need to back him with money to buy his own players, although his first last minute panic buy signing doesn’t inspire confidence that he will spend the money he is given wisely. If it was my money I am not sure I would trust Moyes with 100-200 million!!

The players also have to stand up and be counted or be shipped out. Cleverly, Nani, Young, Anderson and Fellaini are all not good enough. Ferdinand and Giggs should retire. Vidic, Evra, Hernandez and RVP will go in the summer and if we are lucky Rooney will stay.

Unfortunately things are going to get worse before they get better!

Moley

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It's a mix of a few things.

Th main one is a lack in investment in the squad/team. How many of our players would start for City or even Chelsea?

I think Moyes wanted to see what kind of players SAF left him when he first started, hence the lack of many signings.
Now he's had chance to see his players first hand he can decide who goes, how stays, and how comes in. He needs time to sort this.

Last year other teams let themselves down, we weren't great. Even then if you took RVP's goals away we'd have struggled.

The Premiership is probably the strongest league in the world, any team can beat any other. You don't get that in many/any other countries. The top 4 is now a top 6/7.

It's interesting that many 'fans' are callin for Moyes to be sacked, or didn't want him in the first place, but who else would they choose?
For me Moyes is worth a shot, but other choice would have been Solskjaer, but his lack of experience would have counted against him.

I'll judge Moyes this time next year, after his made the team his own with signings and his own style.

thestumper

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The list of who I would have chosen over Moyes is too long to write down! The man should have least won a cup with Everton but failed. The Everton fans I know didn't rate him or his style of football. United fans will not accept this style of football.

I have and will continue to support him though as I have done from the start and I agree with Moley, he will be judged this time next year. The problem he will have though is how can you attract top class players if you are not in the Champions league??

Moley

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We need to get players in now, even if in means paying over the odds.

Not only will we have problems attracting players, but the revenue we'll miss would hurt us... unless the £200m 'warchest' rumours are true.

urban

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I think things will come good for United with Moyes.
We need to make signings happen during this transfer window.

I still think he changed too much too quickly - backroom staff etc.

chocolate_o_brian

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I remember an interview that was done not so long back. Fergie had suggested keeping some back room staff on to work with Moyes, but Moyes had said he wanted his own team of staff, from scratch.

I can't help but think that if Mike Phelan or a couple other characters were there, then they could've helped turn results around.

tony de wonderful

Can Moyes make it 4 losses on the bounce?

Infected by sti

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I fricking hope so

No more ferguson at the helms and united are doomed quite shocked really, I know there are injuries to the squad but fooking hell you realise just how much of a key person he was in that united squad imho.

hodgy0_2

Yes, that must be a worry, not least financially

Stuck with a load of 2nd raters on inflated wages, that no other club will want or will be able to afford the wages - who presumably will just stick out their contract

These types of players can literally sink a lower tier club - Andy Carroll comes to mind

Funkii Munkii

What !! after 30 years of unparalelled success at both Aberdeen and United you've realised he was a key figure


I'll reiterate some of what I've posted already

We have to give him time, I feel two seasons would be acceptable

He needs to build his own tean, he still doesn't know what his best team is, maybe he cant find his best team with what he's got.

For me he should buy now irrespective of whether the players they identify are cup tied for the ECL, as the tramnsfer window in the summer will be a headache what with a WC taking place, i'd rather we got them in bnow and they have half a season to bed in rather than turning up 10 days before the season starts at an over inflated price.

Players out ?
Nani, Anderson, Cleverley, Vidic, Evra, Fellani, Ferdinand

I will give Young the benefit of the doubt and put him in the last chance saloon

Who should we buy

Shaw
Barkley
Reus
Costa

It might be worth a punt on Lallana

Chuck some money at Sniejder as a stop gap, you never know , not that I agree with mercinaries like him.

Start playing Zaha more and dont over play Januzaj and we need a centre half

There is plenty of youth coming through at United to get excited about as well, it's not all doom and gloom even though it may feel that way right now.

I'm a little dubious about Moyes playing style and potentially his coaching/training methods, Meulensteen should never have been allowed to leave imo.

Thankfully im old enough to remember life at United in th 70's and 80's where the odd FA Cup final was all we could manage, there are a lot of United fans who know nothing of these lean times and are struggling with the fact SAF has gone and with it a magnificent era has come to a close, but hell, at least we experienced that pheonomenal ride, so many of our detractors will never know what that was like or even experience it for a short period of time let alone two decades !!!!




Lastly what witrh $200m being wiped off of the clubs value on the NYSE recently we should be ripe for a take over, and who knows what that will bring.

tubbytommy

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dont worry city shirts are easy to buy online, at lot easy than when you changed your liverpool shirts to united ones years ago...

tony de wonderful

You've just given me a business idea lol.

LUCKO

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dont forget the Chelsea shirts they had also

Funkii Munkii

Hillarious coming from the original chameleon

LUCKO

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what you cant follow 2 teams?

your local team and a team who has never won the prem?

tony de wonderful

Oh dear.

tubbytommy

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Willowsdad

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Thought utd started brightly and had plenty of the ball early on, and I think at 1-0 they probably should've had a penalty when wellbeck scuffed his shot. After that it was all downhill bar januzaj. Turned off at half time and went to nandos! Need some quality and experience in this window just to try and pick up some momentum and stop the rot.

Funkii Munkii

Tdw it would be interesting to know who you follow ? ABU perchance ?