The 2013-2014 Manchester United Thread
#122
Great win last night against, a proper local derby, not like the blues game.
Liverpool ARE a PROPER rival
Seems that the reds are getting there sh** together now
All praise the Moyes
Liverpool ARE a PROPER rival
Seems that the reds are getting there sh** together now
All praise the Moyes
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#126
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Happy with the result last night as well as some good attacking play at times, Kagawa deserves and needs a run in the first team. Phil Jones still tackling like Scholes and a lovely finish from Hernandez, all in all a happy evening in the pub
Once Moyes knows his best team things will start to improve, he's getting there...
#129
Definitely needs more time, Fergies first few years were hard, but look at what he achieved with bright up and coming talent, wise buys (snatches included) and staff that were loyal..except Brian Kidd
Moyes will get the time, he was chosen as the water in the 20 mile radius of Glasgow has bred a few good managers, sorry a few legends including:
Moyes will get the time, he was chosen as the water in the 20 mile radius of Glasgow has bred a few good managers, sorry a few legends including:
- Bill Shankly
- Sir Alex
- Matt Busby
- Bob Paisley
- David Moyes
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Definitely needs more time, Fergies first few years were hard, but look at what he achieved with bright up and coming talent, wise buys (snatches included) and staff that were loyal..except Brian Kidd
Moyes will get the time, he was chosen as the water in the 20 mile radius of Glasgow has bred a few good managers, sorry a few legends including:
Moyes will get the time, he was chosen as the water in the 20 mile radius of Glasgow has bred a few good managers, sorry a few legends including:
- Bill Shankly
- Sir Alex
- Matt Busby
- Bob Paisley
- David Moyes
#134
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I only offered Moyes a fiver to screw United up and he took it with both hands I'll take 15 points from 6 games (have to be smug whilst I can being a Gooner )
#135
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man u fans simply have to accept they have an average manger - that's the long tall and short of it
SAL was exceptional, like Wenger - but history, and life tells us, they are few and far between
the problem Man U has is "leveraged finance" - it took Lehman's down in a weekend
they cannot afford a couple of poor performing years - it screws the financial model
SAL was exceptional, like Wenger - but history, and life tells us, they are few and far between
the problem Man U has is "leveraged finance" - it took Lehman's down in a weekend
they cannot afford a couple of poor performing years - it screws the financial model
#137
The really expensive PIK debts have been paid off now, and with debt going from north of £800m to £300m odd in 3 years its heading in the right direction. Another £45m per annum of sponsorship kicks in next year as well.
In addition, given that United's probable value, if sold to a wealthy sheikh or whoever, would be well north of £1.5bn, then the debt isn't exceptional.
I would still prefer it not to be there obviously, but its well past the worst now.
#138
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Not really true any more - for example : United's debt/revenues position (gross £368m with revenues of £355m) is almost identical to poster boy Arsenal's (£246m with revenues of £235m).
The really expensive PIK debts have been paid off now, and with debt going from north of £800m to £300m odd in 3 years its heading in the right direction. Another £45m per annum of sponsorship kicks in next year as well.
In addition, given that United's probable value, if sold to a wealthy sheikh or whoever, would be well north of £1.5bn, then the debt isn't exceptional.
I would still prefer it not to be there obviously, but its well past the worst now.
The really expensive PIK debts have been paid off now, and with debt going from north of £800m to £300m odd in 3 years its heading in the right direction. Another £45m per annum of sponsorship kicks in next year as well.
In addition, given that United's probable value, if sold to a wealthy sheikh or whoever, would be well north of £1.5bn, then the debt isn't exceptional.
I would still prefer it not to be there obviously, but its well past the worst now.
and they do look in better financial shape, but boy Man U have paid the Glaziers a fortune in the last 10 odd years for the priviledge
when leverage finance really works it is a thing of beauty, and the Glaziers do seem to have pulled it off
a testiment to the cash generating power of Man United
#139
Exactly- and, yep, the yankee gnomes have done extremely well out of it :Grrr: .
The next problem will be that people believe that when the debt is finally gone then suddenly there'll be hundreds of millions to spend on players. No there won't - there'll be hundreds of million spent on dividends for the shareholders...
Still that's no different to what some of the other club shareholders out there are dreaming of - although the liverpool boys will be waiting a few years to see even a sausage heading back across the Atlantic
The next problem will be that people believe that when the debt is finally gone then suddenly there'll be hundreds of millions to spend on players. No there won't - there'll be hundreds of million spent on dividends for the shareholders...
Still that's no different to what some of the other club shareholders out there are dreaming of - although the liverpool boys will be waiting a few years to see even a sausage heading back across the Atlantic
#142
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Baines rumours are back again, maybe they'll accept a swap deal for Fellani
Also noticed that Rooney and RVP didn't look the best of pals either
I wouldn't write off a top 4 place just yet......
Also noticed that Rooney and RVP didn't look the best of pals either
I wouldn't write off a top 4 place just yet......
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We looked a lot more fluid last night with the youngsters. Januzaj impresses me more and more with each game he plays and seems comfortable on either side. We just need our defence to stop leaking goals.
#146
I went last night.
Tbh 80% of the play was Down the left through young. He took the free kicks and for corners and he was god awful either over hit it didn't clear the first man.
Tbh 80% of the play was Down the left through young. He took the free kicks and for corners and he was god awful either over hit it didn't clear the first man.
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Pretty drab performance last night until RvP came on. Young up to his usual antics. Fellaini looks like he has attended the Scholes school of tackling. So far less than impressed by him.