Focus RS Mk 2 vs Sti
17 May 2013, 09:57 AM
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Don’t get me wrong I think the CS400 was way overpriced at £50k but then so was the RS500 for what it was. An extra £10k for a wrap, red recaros and an mp350 upgrade? That said they have held their price well. Not sure about now but 6 months ago they were still fetching £35k at nearly 2 years old.
Yes it was wet but in that TG drag the CS400 toasted the RS500 and also on their fast lap.
17 May 2013, 10:18 AM
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Errrr , go drive one and re comment 
My mk1 used to be a bit torque steer.....ish
My mk2 grips aswel as all my subaru's have on the roads , grips as good as my old evo's did........not yet tracked it though so will re comment in the summer
As for covered in tat
There's no ironing board spoiler on mine ....and don't most cars have a body kit fitted nowadays
It's bollox info that you type that makes everyone assume a driveshaft will snap pulling off the drive
My mk1 used to be a bit torque steer.....ish
My mk2 grips aswel as all my subaru's have on the roads , grips as good as my old evo's did........not yet tracked it though so will re comment in the summer
As for covered in tat
There's no ironing board spoiler on mine ....and don't most cars have a body kit fitted nowadays
It's bollox info that you type that makes everyone assume a driveshaft will snap pulling off the drive
I was all set to get a WRX STi MY11 Hatch but the engine issues, vague steering and dying ownership base made me rethink. I had previously dismissed the RS but test drove one and fell in love with it. I am aware of its downfalls but as an overall ownership proposition it made more sense to me. FocusRSOC.com is alive & buzzing unlike SN which is mostly ex owners talking about anything but Subaru.
There are cheap bits of plastic especially inside but certainly no worse than the WRX STi. Which for a car that launched at £25k is to be expected especially with Subaru trying to sell the WRX STi at £33k until they realised almost no one wanted one at that price so had to drop it back to £28k.
I have been surprised at how many positive comments I have received with the RS. I thought average opinion would be chav mobile due to the aggressive styling but far from it. Plenty of people at work, petrol stations, supermarket car parks and even the local tip have come over to chat about it.
Back to the OP’s question – other than a traffic light drag I doubt there will be anything in it and if there is it will be more down to reaction times, fluffed gear changes, who is the better driver / willing to push the most. Neither will be annihilating the other unless fettled with.
17 May 2013, 10:31 AM
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I am not so sure. What difference does the weight of the AWD system mean – you just need to compare overall vehicle weight which is practically the same from memory. So with 50ps less the MP350 / RS500 can pull away?
Don’t get me wrong I think the CS400 was way overpriced at £50k but then so was the RS500 for what it was. An extra £10k for a wrap, red recaros and an mp350 upgrade? That said they have held their price well. Not sure about now but 6 months ago they were still fetching £35k at nearly 2 years old.
Yes it was wet but in that TG drag the CS400 toasted the RS500 and also on their fast lap.
Don’t get me wrong I think the CS400 was way overpriced at £50k but then so was the RS500 for what it was. An extra £10k for a wrap, red recaros and an mp350 upgrade? That said they have held their price well. Not sure about now but 6 months ago they were still fetching £35k at nearly 2 years old.
Yes it was wet but in that TG drag the CS400 toasted the RS500 and also on their fast lap.
As for the RS500, it doesnt even have the red recaros, they were only in the demo cars i believe, but a few people have had there seats done like this.. and the Wrap was shocking again, most have had it unwrapped and done properly in the 3M stuff.... but yeah still holding their prices very well and i imagine will continue to do so due to the 500 badge....
As a fellow RS MK2 owner you have to admit there is torque steer. And getting the power down in the damp can be tricky even with 1st and 2nd having limited torque. I have improved things drastically by fitting a GGR torque mount and replacing the crappy Conti3 tyres with Michelin Super Sports but to say the RS can get its power down as easy as an STi or Evo is just not true. That is why the 0-60 and ¼ mile times are so low. Once moving nothing in it unless your again in the wet and going round lots of uneven bumpy corners where traction is an issue.
I also changed tyres for pilot super sports and had the elevate torque link on mine which surprisingly made a hugh difference of greasy/wet roads... when in 3rd gear plus i never had any issues putting power down but obviously 1st and second if you just try and full throtle launch it you will go no where and just spin the wheels...
17 May 2013, 03:41 PM
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think you need to read the thread before commenting, KID!
17 May 2013, 03:56 PM
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thats the book figures (but know the standard RS (not RS500) does over 160 from experience), but were talking standard cars here, 400bhp FRS have been clocked at over 180 at brunters...
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17 May 2013, 04:40 PM
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they must take ages then to get there.Personally I think the rs is fairly quick but too boy racer looking for me, and I can't see it being a drivers car, just something that loves screeching while going round corners with under steer thinking you are going fast, I can't comment on the big power rs though as I presume it would have supporting handling mods.
Needs a LSD.
The ford guys chat some next level **** and the Subaru guys debate it.
If I was spending the money same price as a rs it defiantly wouldn't be it, not for me I'm afraid, but each to their own.
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17 May 2013, 05:11 PM
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Really? Standard rs went flat at 110 so I had to go round they must take ages then to get there.
Personally I think the rs is fairly quick but too boy racer looking for me, and I can't see it being a drivers car, just something that loves screeching while going round corners with under steer thinking you are going fast, I can't comment on the big power rs though as I presume it would have supporting handling mods.
Needs a LSD.
The ford guys chat some next level **** and the Subaru guys debate it.
If I was spending the money same price as a rs it defiantly wouldn't be it, not for me I'm afraid, but each to their own.
they must take ages then to get there.Personally I think the rs is fairly quick but too boy racer looking for me, and I can't see it being a drivers car, just something that loves screeching while going round corners with under steer thinking you are going fast, I can't comment on the big power rs though as I presume it would have supporting handling mods.
Needs a LSD.
The ford guys chat some next level **** and the Subaru guys debate it.
If I was spending the money same price as a rs it defiantly wouldn't be it, not for me I'm afraid, but each to their own.
Its a good car, very good infact, but for me to have another id have to be able to pick up a clan example with a 400 kit and big brake kit for around 14-15k... If i was to spend £20+k on a car again id go R34 GTR skyline...
Styling wise its love or hate really, i personally love the look of it, but some people think it looks like it came out of halfords, but as you say each to their own... as for the handling even as standard they handle very well, go have a drive of one
17 May 2013, 05:22 PM
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17 May 2013, 05:27 PM
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To answer the OPs question - if it's block standard RS your mate has and if your Sti Hatch is standard not much at all in either car with yours obviously much better into corners.
Both of you can improve performance with some pennies to spend but for you over 365 and u need engine forged.
I've just forged mine and spent good few pennies to get it done right as plan to keep for a couple more years. Reason I'm keeping it is is due to taking the RSbout a test drive before potential buy and although the power was decent the handling was not enjoyable at all for me - but maybe that's due to me having handling uprated on my hatch.
Money was their timhand to Mr Ford but decided to puts it back into my hatch and enjoy.
With regards a Cossie - no real comparison in the overall cars as Cossie miles ahead overall but still too highly priced for what you get. Once it hits 27k I may entertain them.
Both of you can improve performance with some pennies to spend but for you over 365 and u need engine forged.
I've just forged mine and spent good few pennies to get it done right as plan to keep for a couple more years. Reason I'm keeping it is is due to taking the RSbout a test drive before potential buy and although the power was decent the handling was not enjoyable at all for me - but maybe that's due to me having handling uprated on my hatch.
Money was their timhand to Mr Ford but decided to puts it back into my hatch and enjoy.
With regards a Cossie - no real comparison in the overall cars as Cossie miles ahead overall but still too highly priced for what you get. Once it hits 27k I may entertain them.
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17 May 2013, 08:18 PM
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The answer to this is obvious to anyone who has SEEN both cars:
The Scoob would win hands down, in fact the Focus driver would still be laughing too hard to actually start as the Scoob crossed the finishing line.
I mean...come ON...Rover 25 copy?
The Scoob would win hands down, in fact the Focus driver would still be laughing too hard to actually start as the Scoob crossed the finishing line.
I mean...come ON...Rover 25 copy?
17 May 2013, 09:09 PM
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sure the driver didnt let off? mine used to pull strong to about 140, then as it shares the same aerodymaic stylings of a brick it took a little longer getting to 160, but wouldnt say it struggled....
Its a good car, very good infact, but for me to have another id have to be able to pick up a clan example with a 400 kit and big brake kit for around 14-15k... If i was to spend £20+k on a car again id go R34 GTR skyline...
Styling wise its love or hate really, i personally love the look of it, but some people think it looks like it came out of halfords, but as you say each to their own... as for the handling even as standard they handle very well, go have a drive of one
Its a good car, very good infact, but for me to have another id have to be able to pick up a clan example with a 400 kit and big brake kit for around 14-15k... If i was to spend £20+k on a car again id go R34 GTR skyline...
Styling wise its love or hate really, i personally love the look of it, but some people think it looks like it came out of halfords, but as you say each to their own... as for the handling even as standard they handle very well, go have a drive of one
unlike the vf35 (stock uk sti turbo)that goes flat at top end like the frs Go buy one then instead of talking focus all the time on a Scooby forum, you remind me of matteboy
18 May 2013, 11:56 AM
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dpending on weather conditions, dryish conditionsan mp350 FRS/ RS500 will have no problems keeping up/ possibly pulling away from an impreza cosworth, wet and impreza will be all over it... but imo the focus has something about it the scoobies dont, just some kinda soul!
Had a look at one of these before I made my purchase. It just didn't feel as planted or anywhere near as quick.
The RS500 wouldn't see which way the Cosworth went.
Aren't you the chap who reckons a Fiesta ST is as fast as an Impreza STi?
18 May 2013, 03:32 PM
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Hey don't knock a rover 25, weigh nowt stripped out and does 98mph in 3rd, widest track of any car in it's class when new dual wish bone, with decent tyres and brakes would give even the mighty mx5 a run for it's money, a mate of a mate has a fully track prepped one and it's an animal, think it has a highly modded 2.0 turbo tomcat in it and apparently goes like stink.
As long as the head gasket held out of course.
As long as the head gasket held out of course.
18 May 2013, 09:23 PM
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Hey don't knock a rover 25, weigh nowt stripped out and does 98mph in 3rd, widest track of any car in it's class when new dual wish bone, with decent tyres and brakes would give even the mighty mx5 a run for it's money, a mate of a mate has a fully track prepped one and it's an animal, think it has a highly modded 2.0 turbo tomcat in it and apparently goes like stink.
As long as the head gasket held out of course.
As long as the head gasket held out of course.
Then I'd better hurry up at get it turbo'd
20 May 2013, 10:25 AM
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not been to cadwell, looks a good track though, wouldnt mind having a go, but silverstone it like 5 minutes from me haha
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