Are we slowly being overtaken...
15 May 2013, 01:37 PM
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LOL, touched a nerve have i
TBH, i am a massive fan of the Sierra and Escort but the Focus never interested me at all because its FWD
so you bought a Type R, bitched about how it was slower than a Fiesta ST and now you are going to spend a load of money on it???
so where is the car now?
any pics, full spec? i am interested to know why its so slow in standard spec
TBH, i am a massive fan of the Sierra and Escort but the Focus never interested me at all because its FWD
so you bought a Type R, bitched about how it was slower than a Fiesta ST and now you are going to spend a load of money on it???
so where is the car now?
any pics, full spec? i am interested to know why its so slow in standard spec
each to their own, FWD doesnt bother me, both the mk1 and mk2 focus RS are brillaint cars to drive regardless of being FWD.... maybe you should test one, may change your mind, there not that bad afterall, can still have a lot of fun in them...
And again, if you go back and read my thread, i didnt bitch about it, i asked if anyone else was disappointed with the car after the hype it gets...
but yes im going to spend some money on it, asi obught it to be a track toy, so what ever i bought it would have some money spent on it and hopefully turn it into a bit on a monster.
car is currently at a mates garage just having a few small things sorted, rust patches etc.. still standard engine wise, handling wise, previous owner has done the following:
front and rear ARB, ALK, P1 Suspension
Ive changed the rear ARB for a thicker (24mm instead of 22mm) adjustable one, and changed the arms for the hard race adjustable kit. Stripped it out, wheels should be going in this weekend to be sprayed white...
Couple of pics in my thread in the pics bit of the forum....
15 May 2013, 01:51 PM
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a standard UK Turbo 2000 (208 or 215bhp in later trims) would be quicker round the twisties than most cars with the handling mods your car has fitted (driver dependant of course pmsl)
15 May 2013, 02:58 PM
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yes but isnt a Type 20 just a JDM STI with minor upgrades?? its not even an official car!!
type 20 was 37k
p1 was 31.5k
my point being, i dont think you can compare an imported STI tuned by a third party to any of the previous Subaru models, if you took a p1 and spent the difference between it and the Type 20 on upgrades with a respected tuner then you would have a car of similar or better performance
type 20 was 37k
p1 was 31.5k
my point being, i dont think you can compare an imported STI tuned by a third party to any of the previous Subaru models, if you took a p1 and spent the difference between it and the Type 20 on upgrades with a respected tuner then you would have a car of similar or better performance
On another point, the original invoice with the FSH of my T20 says it was just under £30K. Wasn't it the T25 that was a little short of £40K?
15 May 2013, 03:10 PM
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no of course not, thats one of the Impreza's strengths, the aftermarket tuning scene is constantly updating and moving things forward.
if yours really was only 30k then it was a lot of car for the money, no doubt
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...ld_type20.html
if yours really was only 30k then it was a lot of car for the money, no doubt
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...ld_type20.html
15 May 2013, 03:27 PM
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no of course not, thats one of the Impreza's strengths, the aftermarket tuning scene is constantly updating and moving things forward.
if yours really was only 30k then it was a lot of car for the money, no doubt
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...ld_type20.html
if yours really was only 30k then it was a lot of car for the money, no doubt
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...ld_type20.html
Now I realise why we have crossed wires.
Mine's a Type 20 Hawk, only 362/350 on the last dyno readout, although it's a claimed 0-62 of 4 dead, which means on paper it's as quick off the mark.
Does that mean you'd have to take something off the P1 because it was costlier?
(Only joking, I've enjoyed the dialogue).
15 May 2013, 03:42 PM
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ahhh ok, i am educated, i didn't even realise they did a Type 20 Hawk, you got any links to a decent review of it?
if you are lucky enoughy to find one these days, what sort of money do they go for?
if you are lucky enoughy to find one these days, what sort of money do they go for?
Aha !
Now I realise why we have crossed wires.
Mine's a Type 20 Hawk, only 362/350 on the last dyno readout, although it's a claimed 0-62 of 4 dead, which means on paper it's as quick off the mark.
Does that mean you'd have to take something off the P1 because it was costlier?
(Only joking, I've enjoyed the dialogue).
Now I realise why we have crossed wires.
Mine's a Type 20 Hawk, only 362/350 on the last dyno readout, although it's a claimed 0-62 of 4 dead, which means on paper it's as quick off the mark.
Does that mean you'd have to take something off the P1 because it was costlier?
(Only joking, I've enjoyed the dialogue).
15 May 2013, 04:00 PM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...type-20-a.html
This is a 'friendly' review:
http://www.powerstation.org.uk/tunergp.asp
15 May 2013, 06:23 PM
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I wonder what we'll be able to buy ten years from now that makes the current hot hatches look a bit sluggish?
Hopefully something decent from FHI with STi on the boot.
Hopefully something decent from FHI with STi on the boot.
15 May 2013, 06:44 PM
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15 May 2013, 06:54 PM
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fantastic car, you were lucky to have the chance to own that given how exclusive they are
I was lucky enough:
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...type-20-a.html
This is a 'friendly' review:
http://www.powerstation.org.uk/tunergp.asp
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...type-20-a.html
This is a 'friendly' review:
http://www.powerstation.org.uk/tunergp.asp
15 May 2013, 07:15 PM
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15 May 2013, 07:25 PM
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No, i mean a fiesta, which is why i was so shocked.... but after transmission losses and weight theres not much in it, but thats 10+ years difference in the cars.... Im not too fussed, afterall i bought an old car, as someone else has said, look at old "supercars" not so super these days. But give it time, once im finished with it, it wont be happening again lol
BHP 148 @ 6000rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 140 @ 4500rpm
BHP/Ton 132
0-60mph 7.9s
0-100mph 21.8s
60-100mph 13.9s
1/4 Mile 16.4s
Terminal Speed 88mph
Kilometre 29.6s
Top Speed (mph) 129
Nürburgring Lap Time N/A
Subaru Impreza P1 (Didn't have a Type R, but similar power)
BHP 276 @ 6500rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 260 @ 4000rpm
BHP/Ton 219
0-60mph 4.9s
0-100mph 13.3s
60-100mph 8.4s
1/4 Mile 13.33s
Terminal Speed 103mph
Kilometre N/A
Top Speed (mph) 150
Nürburgring N/A
I think you seriously need to get your car checked over.
Here's an old one from years ago. (Bog standard MY03 WRX)
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...vs-my-wrx.html
15 May 2013, 07:35 PM
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Ford Fiesta ST
BHP 148 @ 6000rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 140 @ 4500rpm
BHP/Ton 132
0-60mph 7.9s
0-100mph 21.8s
60-100mph 13.9s
1/4 Mile 16.4s
Terminal Speed 88mph
Kilometre 29.6s
Top Speed (mph) 129
Nürburgring Lap Time N/A
Subaru Impreza P1 (Didn't have a Type R, but similar power)
BHP 276 @ 6500rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 260 @ 4000rpm
BHP/Ton 219
0-60mph 4.9s
0-100mph 13.3s
60-100mph 8.4s
1/4 Mile 13.33s
Terminal Speed 103mph
Kilometre N/A
Top Speed (mph) 150
Nürburgring N/A
I think you seriously need to get your car checked over.
Here's an old one from years ago. (Bog standard MY03 WRX)
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...vs-my-wrx.html
BHP 148 @ 6000rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 140 @ 4500rpm
BHP/Ton 132
0-60mph 7.9s
0-100mph 21.8s
60-100mph 13.9s
1/4 Mile 16.4s
Terminal Speed 88mph
Kilometre 29.6s
Top Speed (mph) 129
Nürburgring Lap Time N/A
Subaru Impreza P1 (Didn't have a Type R, but similar power)
BHP 276 @ 6500rpm
Torque (lbs/ft) 260 @ 4000rpm
BHP/Ton 219
0-60mph 4.9s
0-100mph 13.3s
60-100mph 8.4s
1/4 Mile 13.33s
Terminal Speed 103mph
Kilometre N/A
Top Speed (mph) 150
Nürburgring N/A
I think you seriously need to get your car checked over.
Here's an old one from years ago. (Bog standard MY03 WRX)
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...vs-my-wrx.html
15 May 2013, 07:44 PM
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I think the chap who encountered the ST was referring to the new 2013 model which is certainly a little more of a challenge than the earlier version. I stand ready to be corrected though.
Great debate folks. Please keep it up.
Great debate folks. Please keep it up.
15 May 2013, 07:58 PM
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=Norman Dog;11090519]Ford Fiesta ST I think you seriously need to get your car checked over.
I have an STI Type R running 320bhp and my mate in his Clio 197 was left for dust when I turned the screw, and I would imagine the fiesta st would be left for dead by the Clio also.
P.s if I could not lose a fiesta on a country road that I know, i'd sell both my scoobs and buy a micra.
15 May 2013, 08:02 PM
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I'm sure we already ascertained in the previous thread, "it's his driving that needs checking out."
I have an STI Type R running 320bhp and my mate in his Clio 197 was left for dust when I turned the screw, and I would imagine the fiesta st would be left for dead by the Clio also.
P.s if I could not lose a fiesta on a country road that I know, i'd sell both my scoobs and buy a micra.
I have an STI Type R running 320bhp and my mate in his Clio 197 was left for dust when I turned the screw, and I would imagine the fiesta st would be left for dead by the Clio also.
P.s if I could not lose a fiesta on a country road that I know, i'd sell both my scoobs and buy a micra.
15 May 2013, 08:12 PM
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Have posted this before, but just to add some fuel to the debate, below are 0-60 and 0-100 times for various cars. The Subaru times are from prodrive, the others are taken from EVO magazine.
0-60 and 0-100 times
Clio 200 - 6.6 secs/16.7 secs
Blobeye wrx PPP - 4.8 secs/14.1 secs
Blobeye wrx standard 5.5secs/15.9secs
Blobeye STI PPP - 4.6secs/12.2secs
Blobeye STI standard - 5.2secs/13.7secs
Focus ST - 6.7secs/16.8secs
Focus RS - 5.9secs/14.2 secs
Civic Type R - 6.8secs/17.5 secs
Astra VXR - 6.7 secs/16.7 secs
Golf R32 - 5.8/15.2 secs
Megane 250 - 6.1secs/14.6 secs
Audi RS4 - 4.5secs/10.9 secs
BMW 335 - 5.2secs/12.2 secs
0-60 and 0-100 times
Clio 200 - 6.6 secs/16.7 secs
Blobeye wrx PPP - 4.8 secs/14.1 secs
Blobeye wrx standard 5.5secs/15.9secs
Blobeye STI PPP - 4.6secs/12.2secs
Blobeye STI standard - 5.2secs/13.7secs
Focus ST - 6.7secs/16.8secs
Focus RS - 5.9secs/14.2 secs
Civic Type R - 6.8secs/17.5 secs
Astra VXR - 6.7 secs/16.7 secs
Golf R32 - 5.8/15.2 secs
Megane 250 - 6.1secs/14.6 secs
Audi RS4 - 4.5secs/10.9 secs
BMW 335 - 5.2secs/12.2 secs
15 May 2013, 10:55 PM
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Subaru only (Prodrive figs)
0-60 / 0-100 / standing 1/4
Bug STi - 5.17 / 13.69 / 13.99
Bug STi PPP - 4.62 / 12.2 / 13.44
Blob WRX - 5.5 / 15.9 / 14.3
Blob WRX PPP - 4.8 / 14.1 / 13.7
Blob STi - 5.2 / 13.7 / 13.99
Blob STi PPP - 4.6 / 12.2 / 13.44
Hawk WRX - 5.9 / 15.8 / 14.4
Hawk WRX PPP - 5.3 / 14 / 13.9
Hawk STi - 5.0 / 12.5 / 13.5
Hawk STi PPP - 4.8 / 12.2 / 13.3
0-60 / 0-100 / standing 1/4
Bug STi - 5.17 / 13.69 / 13.99
Bug STi PPP - 4.62 / 12.2 / 13.44
Blob WRX - 5.5 / 15.9 / 14.3
Blob WRX PPP - 4.8 / 14.1 / 13.7
Blob STi - 5.2 / 13.7 / 13.99
Blob STi PPP - 4.6 / 12.2 / 13.44
Hawk WRX - 5.9 / 15.8 / 14.4
Hawk WRX PPP - 5.3 / 14 / 13.9
Hawk STi - 5.0 / 12.5 / 13.5
Hawk STi PPP - 4.8 / 12.2 / 13.3
17 May 2013, 12:13 AM
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I have a Tardis modded with er.... wheels.
17 May 2013, 10:10 AM
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... by the current and forthcoming crop of hot hatches?
It seems that every front wheel drive sporty hatch that appears is either nearly, as, or more powerful than the best of the Subarus from the last 10 years or so.
I'm apparently running 315 bhp in my Blob, but given the power to weight and transmission losses, I'm becoming acutely aware that anything recent and quick is going to give me a very hard time of it, especially as (I'll admit) I'm not the fastest driver.
I don't want a hot hatch, and I love everything about the Blob, but are we now sadly in yesterday's performance cars?
It seems that every front wheel drive sporty hatch that appears is either nearly, as, or more powerful than the best of the Subarus from the last 10 years or so.
I'm apparently running 315 bhp in my Blob, but given the power to weight and transmission losses, I'm becoming acutely aware that anything recent and quick is going to give me a very hard time of it, especially as (I'll admit) I'm not the fastest driver.
I don't want a hot hatch, and I love everything about the Blob, but are we now sadly in yesterday's performance cars?
17 May 2013, 10:54 AM
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Well I'm proud to say that I got overtaken by a Fiesta Zetec S yesterday.
Toddled past him at about 75 on the M4 (I have this thing about 3000rpm) and about 2 miles further he came past me doing about 80, given it took about 15-20 seconds for him to complete the manoevre.
Is there something wrong with my T20 or my brain?
17 May 2013, 11:01 AM
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17 May 2013, 03:05 PM
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Yeah but how much does the BM 135i cost.
As far as i'm concerned (i'm prepared to be enlightened if anyone has any suggestions) I don't think there is anything out there that can leave a scoob £ for £, if there was one would be in my garage, consequently I have an STI Type r in the garage and a WRX Wagon PPP on the drive, nothing comes close in standard form for similar money then add the tuning potential and you can include cars up to and above £100k once you spend another £20k on mods you can end up with a 600bhp+ monster the likes of which banny and a few others have.
As far as i'm concerned (i'm prepared to be enlightened if anyone has any suggestions) I don't think there is anything out there that can leave a scoob £ for £, if there was one would be in my garage, consequently I have an STI Type r in the garage and a WRX Wagon PPP on the drive, nothing comes close in standard form for similar money then add the tuning potential and you can include cars up to and above £100k once you spend another £20k on mods you can end up with a 600bhp+ monster the likes of which banny and a few others have.
17 May 2013, 03:13 PM
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17 May 2013, 03:15 PM
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Yeah but how much does the BM 135i cost.
As far as i'm concerned (i'm prepared to be enlightened if anyone has any suggestions) I don't think there is anything out there that can leave a scoob £ for £, if there was one would be in my garage, consequently I have an STI Type r in the garage and a WRX Wagon PPP on the drive, nothing comes close in standard form for similar money then add the tuning potential and you can include cars up to and above £100k once you spend another £20k on mods you can end up with a 600bhp+ monster the likes of which banny and a few others have.
As far as i'm concerned (i'm prepared to be enlightened if anyone has any suggestions) I don't think there is anything out there that can leave a scoob £ for £, if there was one would be in my garage, consequently I have an STI Type r in the garage and a WRX Wagon PPP on the drive, nothing comes close in standard form for similar money then add the tuning potential and you can include cars up to and above £100k once you spend another £20k on mods you can end up with a 600bhp+ monster the likes of which banny and a few others have.
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