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14 May 2013, 08:20 PM
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So my parts list (the very exciting bit!) - UPDATED April 2013
Wheels & Brakes
Rota Torque 17x8 ET35 with Yokohama AD08's 225/45/17
R56 JCW Callipers
Nitrac Grooved 16 Cryo'd front and back
Carbotech XP16 front and XP10 rear
Goodridge hoses
RBF600 fluid
custom ducting through GP front bumper
Suspension
JRZ RS suspension. Adjustable camber and castor top mounts, swift springs and helper springs at the rear.
Powerflex full ARB's
Eibach front and rear ARB
EPC Adjustable rear control arms
Adjustable drop links
GTT upper strut brace
OMP lower H brace
Interior
Corbeau Black seat mounts
Cobra Imola Pro buckets
Custom rear cage and harness (thanks to Steve Lancaster)
AIM MXL Pista digital dash system
AIM GPS for accurate speed and track timing
Innovate AFR gauge
Phormula KS3 knock box
Lifeline plumbed in fire extinguisher
Rear seat delete with custom carbon sheets
Rear/Side window tints
Sparco 5 point pro series road legal harnesses
Black alcantara roof lining and A pillars
Carbon door cards
Carbon gear surround
Carbon handbrake surround
Carbon aux panel (for AFR and Knock)
Exterior
Aero rear
GP front bumper
GP side skirts
RMW front splitter bolted to subframe.
Orranje rear GP spoiler (v1)
Ducting from fog light delete to brakes
JCW carbon intake
Rear windows and side tints to 90% black
Radical Mini Racing Decals
Engine
1.7L stroker RMW Race Head with Rotrex 30-94 (big) and Meth.
RMW BVH, Beehive Springs, Titanium retainers, 1.8mm oversized intake valves, 2.3mm oversized exhaust valves.
78mm head gasket
Custom pistons with ceramic coating
RMW race / rotrex cam
RMW CAI, 55gal min water pump, dual pass rad, RMW FMIC, Rotrex cooler
Stroker rod bearings
Baffles, Pank gasket and uprated oil pump
ARP head studs
4340 billet stroker crank
RMW race header, sports cat
MiniGarage 3" custom exhaust system - no centre resonator. LOUD
Aquamist custom Meth system - utilising battery compartment for 3Gal case
OS Giken Grand Touring Race clutch and lightened flywheel
VIPEC V88 ECU, mapped by Will Pedley
OS Giken LSD to replace factory diff.
Powerflex engine and gearbox bushes - everything nice and tight to help reduce torque steer
Vibratechnics Upper Engine mount
CAE quick shifter
Custom fuel cell with ATL fuel level sensor, Facet lift pump and Bosch 044 high pressure pump.
RMW fuel rail, Earls fuel filter, Turbosmart fuel pressure regulator
Return lines to swirl pot - hand formed hard lines, Fuel pressure sensor to dash
Wheels & Brakes
Rota Torque 17x8 ET35 with Yokohama AD08's 225/45/17
R56 JCW Callipers
Nitrac Grooved 16 Cryo'd front and back
Carbotech XP16 front and XP10 rear
Goodridge hoses
RBF600 fluid
custom ducting through GP front bumper
Suspension
JRZ RS suspension. Adjustable camber and castor top mounts, swift springs and helper springs at the rear.
Powerflex full ARB's
Eibach front and rear ARB
EPC Adjustable rear control arms
Adjustable drop links
GTT upper strut brace
OMP lower H brace
Interior
Corbeau Black seat mounts
Cobra Imola Pro buckets
Custom rear cage and harness (thanks to Steve Lancaster)
AIM MXL Pista digital dash system
AIM GPS for accurate speed and track timing
Innovate AFR gauge
Phormula KS3 knock box
Lifeline plumbed in fire extinguisher
Rear seat delete with custom carbon sheets
Rear/Side window tints
Sparco 5 point pro series road legal harnesses
Black alcantara roof lining and A pillars
Carbon door cards
Carbon gear surround
Carbon handbrake surround
Carbon aux panel (for AFR and Knock)
Exterior
Aero rear
GP front bumper
GP side skirts
RMW front splitter bolted to subframe.
Orranje rear GP spoiler (v1)
Ducting from fog light delete to brakes
JCW carbon intake
Rear windows and side tints to 90% black
Radical Mini Racing Decals
Engine
1.7L stroker RMW Race Head with Rotrex 30-94 (big) and Meth.
RMW BVH, Beehive Springs, Titanium retainers, 1.8mm oversized intake valves, 2.3mm oversized exhaust valves.
78mm head gasket
Custom pistons with ceramic coating
RMW race / rotrex cam
RMW CAI, 55gal min water pump, dual pass rad, RMW FMIC, Rotrex cooler
Stroker rod bearings
Baffles, Pank gasket and uprated oil pump
ARP head studs
4340 billet stroker crank
RMW race header, sports cat
MiniGarage 3" custom exhaust system - no centre resonator. LOUD
Aquamist custom Meth system - utilising battery compartment for 3Gal case
OS Giken Grand Touring Race clutch and lightened flywheel
VIPEC V88 ECU, mapped by Will Pedley
OS Giken LSD to replace factory diff.
Powerflex engine and gearbox bushes - everything nice and tight to help reduce torque steer
Vibratechnics Upper Engine mount
CAE quick shifter
Custom fuel cell with ATL fuel level sensor, Facet lift pump and Bosch 044 high pressure pump.
RMW fuel rail, Earls fuel filter, Turbosmart fuel pressure regulator
Return lines to swirl pot - hand formed hard lines, Fuel pressure sensor to dash
14 May 2013, 09:22 PM
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I bet the Escort and Sierra Cosworth lovers of the early ninties were saying the exact same thing when the Evo and Impreza burst onto the scene.
14 May 2013, 10:11 PM
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Mine was the blue 3dr zetec turbo in the mag.
Having power delivery that is almost linear helps.
Never mind this boost control and torque limiting - this is supercharged. It keeps making power....
Yes I have a mechanical OS Giken diff, expensive suspension and solid engine mounts. Does it torque steer? Nope! Can I get the power down? Yup!
Beats a 599 in a straight line too ;-)
And whereas all the AWD boys were spinning off this weekend, us *** draggers kept it on the black stuff ;-)
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I also go on 600 mile hoons on a weekend..
Did I mention it gets 37mpg ;-)
Yup - Will Pedley has done the mapping and wiring/prep for me. Superb fun.
Never mind this boost control and torque limiting - this is supercharged. It keeps making power....
Yes I have a mechanical OS Giken diff, expensive suspension and solid engine mounts. Does it torque steer? Nope! Can I get the power down? Yup!
Beats a 599 in a straight line too ;-)
And whereas all the AWD boys were spinning off this weekend, us *** draggers kept it on the black stuff ;-)
Attachment 11937
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I also go on 600 mile hoons on a weekend..
Did I mention it gets 37mpg ;-)
Yup - Will Pedley has done the mapping and wiring/prep for me. Superb fun.
Lol
14 May 2013, 10:58 PM
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It wouldn't cost much, a 350bhp classic would offer similar performance
I regard the T20 as a sort of 'standard build', a non-Subaru limited edition, an independent RB320 plus, P1 plus etc. etc.
It cost more than a Spec C (or any other) car modded to what it is but it is an acknowledged model.
My first was a Catalunya, from a Subaru main dealer, my next an 'E-bay special' 1995 JDM WRX, modded up to 291, (by cutting out the cat, I found out later
).
So I look on them as 'out of the box', and the T20 is still the best value for money.
It would be interesting to see how much money it took to get a classic up to the performance of a T20. It can be done - and has been - and that was my point about going almost as far as you want with upgrades if you want.
It would also be interesting to see what the respective drivers think of each other's cars.
It cost more than a Spec C (or any other) car modded to what it is but it is an acknowledged model.
My first was a Catalunya, from a Subaru main dealer, my next an 'E-bay special' 1995 JDM WRX, modded up to 291, (by cutting out the cat, I found out later
).So I look on them as 'out of the box', and the T20 is still the best value for money.
It would be interesting to see how much money it took to get a classic up to the performance of a T20. It can be done - and has been - and that was my point about going almost as far as you want with upgrades if you want.
It would also be interesting to see what the respective drivers think of each other's cars.
15 May 2013, 01:03 AM
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But how MUCH ?
I'm not talking 'Oneupmanship', just cost and confidence, as someone else has put it, a professional build.
A good friend of mine is a manager of a car sales place. He was very interested in the story of me getting a massive f-off car. When I did I took it to him, before giving him a go in the passenger seat I told him to give it the once-over.
His words were "How do you value a car like this?".
Only 16-20 ever done apparently.
I said "An RB320 plus £1,500-2,000. I have nothing else to go on, but it is one notch above a car like that".
It's not a case of x pounds per BHP is it?
It's about the confidence a customer has about the car.
I'm sure there's a lot of young lads out there who buy a classic because of cost, and once they've driven one they won't turn to anything else.
And equally there's a lot of lads who want a 'modern' car and will buy an ST, VXR etc for the kudos.
I know better than my children, but try telling them that !
I'm not talking 'Oneupmanship', just cost and confidence, as someone else has put it, a professional build.
A good friend of mine is a manager of a car sales place. He was very interested in the story of me getting a massive f-off car. When I did I took it to him, before giving him a go in the passenger seat I told him to give it the once-over.
His words were "How do you value a car like this?".
Only 16-20 ever done apparently.
I said "An RB320 plus £1,500-2,000. I have nothing else to go on, but it is one notch above a car like that".
It's not a case of x pounds per BHP is it?
It's about the confidence a customer has about the car.
I'm sure there's a lot of young lads out there who buy a classic because of cost, and once they've driven one they won't turn to anything else.
And equally there's a lot of lads who want a 'modern' car and will buy an ST, VXR etc for the kudos.
I know better than my children, but try telling them that !
15 May 2013, 07:37 AM
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Having power delivery that is almost linear helps.
Never mind this boost control and torque limiting - this is supercharged. It keeps making power....
Yes I have a mechanical OS Giken diff, expensive suspension and solid engine mounts. Does it torque steer? Nope! Can I get the power down? Yup!
Beats a 599 in a straight line too ;-)
And whereas all the AWD boys were spinning off this weekend, us *** draggers kept it on the black stuff ;-)
Never mind this boost control and torque limiting - this is supercharged. It keeps making power....
Yes I have a mechanical OS Giken diff, expensive suspension and solid engine mounts. Does it torque steer? Nope! Can I get the power down? Yup!
Beats a 599 in a straight line too ;-)
And whereas all the AWD boys were spinning off this weekend, us *** draggers kept it on the black stuff ;-)
Even as standard they handle really well IMO, would have certainly given my subaru a run for its money around country lanes.
15 May 2013, 09:09 AM
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Yes mate, i love the nail also! Not seen wenny or either of those cars for amgood while ow. I used to work for fast ford mag, so know of quite a few 'fast' fords lol
Mine was the blue 3dr zetec turbo in the mag.
Say hi to will for me lee! I see regular updates from will on fb. Because race car.
Lol
Mine was the blue 3dr zetec turbo in the mag.
Say hi to will for me lee! I see regular updates from will on fb. Because race car.
Lol
15 May 2013, 09:59 AM
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a p1 for instance with minor engine / suspension and brake upgrades would offer similar or better performance, plenty of very knowledgeable tuners who would be more then willing to do the work for a fee
But how MUCH ?
I'm not talking 'Oneupmanship', just cost and confidence, as someone else has put it, a professional build.
A good friend of mine is a manager of a car sales place. He was very interested in the story of me getting a massive f-off car. When I did I took it to him, before giving him a go in the passenger seat I told him to give it the once-over.
His words were "How do you value a car like this?".
Only 16-20 ever done apparently.
I said "An RB320 plus £1,500-2,000. I have nothing else to go on, but it is one notch above a car like that".
It's not a case of x pounds per BHP is it?
It's about the confidence a customer has about the car.
I'm sure there's a lot of young lads out there who buy a classic because of cost, and once they've driven one they won't turn to anything else.
And equally there's a lot of lads who want a 'modern' car and will buy an ST, VXR etc for the kudos.
I know better than my children, but try telling them that !
I'm not talking 'Oneupmanship', just cost and confidence, as someone else has put it, a professional build.
A good friend of mine is a manager of a car sales place. He was very interested in the story of me getting a massive f-off car. When I did I took it to him, before giving him a go in the passenger seat I told him to give it the once-over.
His words were "How do you value a car like this?".
Only 16-20 ever done apparently.
I said "An RB320 plus £1,500-2,000. I have nothing else to go on, but it is one notch above a car like that".
It's not a case of x pounds per BHP is it?
It's about the confidence a customer has about the car.
I'm sure there's a lot of young lads out there who buy a classic because of cost, and once they've driven one they won't turn to anything else.
And equally there's a lot of lads who want a 'modern' car and will buy an ST, VXR etc for the kudos.
I know better than my children, but try telling them that !
15 May 2013, 10:37 AM
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I gather there's a WR1 out there running well over 600 (possibly 700 by now?). Is it 'really' a WR1 now, is it a highly modified WR1 or a Rocko600 ?
I believe that the P1 brand new wasn't much less than a T20 Hawk was yet there was 5 years between them. Allowing for inflation the T20 may have been less expensive.
I've had thrilling experiences driving each of the 3 machines I've had, yet they are very different.
I remember Clarkson commenting about the Catalunya that "when it hits 2,000 revs all hell breaks loose", which was a very good description.
A JDM WRX, more bhp and much more refined acceleration, roadholding not much difference between them.
T20 - well, defies belief, and I didn't have to find a Spec C and find a respected tuner and engineer to put lots of expensive goodies on it and make it what it is. And more to the point I knew what I should be expecting.
How many posts are there here where a potential buyer is asking what they should expect from a car they are going to view?
I think a lot of people would regard a T20/T25 as an unmodded car. After all, it's got a model name, just as Type RA's, Spec C's etc have, so you know the standard of the vehicle. The only difference is that Subaru have modded the latter ones and not an acknowledged and independent specialist.
15 May 2013, 11:04 AM
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yes but isnt a Type 20 just a JDM STI with minor upgrades?? its not even an official car!!
type 20 was 37k
p1 was 31.5k
my point being, i dont think you can compare an imported STI tuned by a third party to any of the previous Subaru models, if you took a p1 and spent the difference between it and the Type 20 on upgrades with a respected tuner then you would have a car of similar or better performance
type 20 was 37k
p1 was 31.5k
my point being, i dont think you can compare an imported STI tuned by a third party to any of the previous Subaru models, if you took a p1 and spent the difference between it and the Type 20 on upgrades with a respected tuner then you would have a car of similar or better performance
But haven't you hit the nail on the head - "with minor....upgrades" ?
I gather there's a WR1 out there running well over 600 (possibly 700 by now?). Is it 'really' a WR1 now, is it a highly modified WR1 or a Rocko600 ?
I believe that the P1 brand new wasn't much less than a T20 Hawk was yet there was 5 years between them. Allowing for inflation the T20 may have been less expensive.
I've had thrilling experiences driving each of the 3 machines I've had, yet they are very different.
I remember Clarkson commenting about the Catalunya that "when it hits 2,000 revs all hell breaks loose", which was a very good description.
A JDM WRX, more bhp and much more refined acceleration, roadholding not much difference between them.
T20 - well, defies belief, and I didn't have to find a Spec C and find a respected tuner and engineer to put lots of expensive goodies on it and make it what it is. And more to the point I knew what I should be expecting.
How many posts are there here where a potential buyer is asking what they should expect from a car they are going to view?
I think a lot of people would regard a T20/T25 as an unmodded car. After all, it's got a model name, just as Type RA's, Spec C's etc have, so you know the standard of the vehicle. The only difference is that Subaru have modded the latter ones and not an acknowledged and independent specialist.
I gather there's a WR1 out there running well over 600 (possibly 700 by now?). Is it 'really' a WR1 now, is it a highly modified WR1 or a Rocko600 ?
I believe that the P1 brand new wasn't much less than a T20 Hawk was yet there was 5 years between them. Allowing for inflation the T20 may have been less expensive.
I've had thrilling experiences driving each of the 3 machines I've had, yet they are very different.
I remember Clarkson commenting about the Catalunya that "when it hits 2,000 revs all hell breaks loose", which was a very good description.
A JDM WRX, more bhp and much more refined acceleration, roadholding not much difference between them.
T20 - well, defies belief, and I didn't have to find a Spec C and find a respected tuner and engineer to put lots of expensive goodies on it and make it what it is. And more to the point I knew what I should be expecting.
How many posts are there here where a potential buyer is asking what they should expect from a car they are going to view?
I think a lot of people would regard a T20/T25 as an unmodded car. After all, it's got a model name, just as Type RA's, Spec C's etc have, so you know the standard of the vehicle. The only difference is that Subaru have modded the latter ones and not an acknowledged and independent specialist.
15 May 2013, 12:24 PM
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and in answer to the OP's question, Yes. new hot hatchs are getting quicker and quicker, but as said, isnt that what you expect? I was a bit shocked that my type R couldnt outrun a fiesta ST very easily, but once i thought about it, i wasnt that surprised, its at least 10 years younger, probably weights less, and will have similar bhp per ton...
An old Fiesta ST was only 150BHP 2.0 NA, even the brand new ones are only 182BHP.
15 May 2013, 12:46 PM
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v5 type R
http://www.autosnout.com/Car-Perform...?EditionID=643
0-60 in 4.7
0-100 in 12
231.9 bhp per metric ton
http://www.autosnout.com/Car-Perform...?EditionID=643
0-60 in 4.7
0-100 in 12
231.9 bhp per metric ton
15 May 2013, 12:55 PM
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0-60 in 4.7, 0 - 100 in 12 seconds isn't that quick??
a standard 996 Turbo is around 4.1, would you say that wasn't that quick compared to a modern hot hatch either?
a standard 996 Turbo is around 4.1, would you say that wasn't that quick compared to a modern hot hatch either?
15 May 2013, 12:59 PM
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as for driver comments, not alot a driver can do wrong in a straight line...
But i cba to have this conversation, FACT is, a standard impreza type r, isnt that quick these days...
15 May 2013, 01:07 PM
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why are you baiting me for a race, you have no idea what car i have or its spec????!!!!
and how does that relate to your statement that your Type R is barely quicker than a 150bhp NA Fiesta
and how does that relate to your statement that your Type R is barely quicker than a 150bhp NA Fiesta
15 May 2013, 01:12 PM
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And wasnt a race, just a bit of fun
strictly no racing on track
15 May 2013, 01:17 PM
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werent you the guy that sold his focus cosworth because you couldnt afford the repayments then bought a type R which is allegedly slower than a 150bhp Fiesta so you are now spending 10 - 20k on upgrades??!!!???
why dont you wait until you at least have your car back before you start baiting up other members for a race
why dont you wait until you at least have your car back before you start baiting up other members for a race
15 May 2013, 01:21 PM
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werent you the guy that sold his focus cosworth because you couldnt afford the repayments then bought a type R which is allegedly slower than a 150bhp Fiesta so you are now spending 10 - 20k on upgrades??!!!???
why dont you wait until you at least have your car back before you start baiting up other members for a race
why dont you wait until you at least have your car back before you start baiting up other members for a race
But yes i bought a type R, and will be spending a fair wedge on it over the next couple of years, as and when i want....
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LOL, touched a nerve have i
TBH, i am a massive fan of the Sierra and Escort but the Focus never interested me at all because its FWD
i have owned and tuned plenty of quick cars and the odd superbike in the 17 years i have been driving
so you bought a Type R, bitched about how it was slower than a Fiesta ST and now you are going to spend a load of money on it???
so where is the car now?
any pics, full spec? i am interested to know why its so slow in standard spec
TBH, i am a massive fan of the Sierra and Escort but the Focus never interested me at all because its FWD
i have owned and tuned plenty of quick cars and the odd superbike in the 17 years i have been driving
so you bought a Type R, bitched about how it was slower than a Fiesta ST and now you are going to spend a load of money on it???
so where is the car now?
any pics, full spec? i am interested to know why its so slow in standard spec
No, ford dont make a focus cosworth... Kinda shows how much you know about cars other than subarus there.... and it wasnt cause i couldnt afford the repayments, its cause i didnt want another 3 years of paying it off, id rather spend the money modding it and doing other things.
But yes i bought a type R, and will be spending a fair wedge on it over the next couple of years, as and when i want....
But yes i bought a type R, and will be spending a fair wedge on it over the next couple of years, as and when i want....
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anyone else interested, the original wind up is here https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ver-rated.html