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Old 29 April 2015, 03:13 PM
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Like that Cat of yours , its always again and again a leap of faith !!
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Old 29 April 2015, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Linksfahrer View Post
Like that Cat of yours , its always again and again a leap of faith !!
hahaha, he'll make it one day

maybe
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Old 22 July 2015, 10:42 PM
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started some remote mapping this week, first revision tune loaded on, seems nice smooth power delivery so far, turbo seems a bit laggy compared to my vf36, im sure some work on the AVCS tables etc will make it more responsive low down
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Originally Posted by Legacyb4-Dan View Post
started some remote mapping this week, first revision tune loaded on, seems nice smooth power delivery so far, turbo seems a bit laggy compared to my vf36, im sure some work on the AVCS tables etc will make it more responsive low down
Keep us up to date with your progress really interested in your twin scroll results.
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me too, i hope i can get it mapped nicely and it makes decent power and is good for a daily driver street car
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Old 17 August 2015, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Legacyb4-Dan View Post
me too, i hope i can get it mapped nicely and it makes decent power and is good for a daily driver street car
Any updates Dan?
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Old 17 August 2015, 09:14 PM
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Not much, havent had a chance to do some proper logs and the lack of boost on the new map was annoying i thought my knock detector was broken so i loaded back on the old map and as soon as you go on full boost the knock detector lights up so its working fine, just no knock in the new map which is good. I need to try get some logs in and send them off to mapper before i head off on holiday for 3 weeks on Thursday!
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So, massive thread revival but how did everyone get on with their Kinugawa Turbo's??

Any graphs?

All still running well, none blown up?
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Old 18 May 2016, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazzles Fiesti View Post
So, massive thread revival but how did everyone get on with their Kinugawa Turbo's??

Any graphs?

All still running well, none blown up?
the lack of graphs gives it away
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Two threads both over 8 pages and nothing to tell................Says it all really.
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There's graphs on the first page...
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Old 19 May 2016, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gooch89 View Post
There's graphs on the first page...
My Turbo was a 16G PRC copy, using a Kinguwa actuator ( as the standard one was starting open far to early ), that performs fine, however I still need to get over to UK do a remap with Duncan, I just don't seem find the time; so while the car runs fine, but Im still not getting the best out of it, doing a RR here makes no sense till Im at Surrey RR and have the final map.
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Originally Posted by Linksfahrer View Post
My Turbo was a 16G PRC copy, using a Kinguwa actuator ( as the standard one was starting open far to early ), that performs fine, however I still need to get over to UK do a remap with Duncan, I just don't seem find the time; so while the car runs fine, but Im still not getting the best out of it, doing a RR here makes no sense till Im at Surrey RR and have the final map.
cheap turbo and **** mapper, thats gonna go well haha
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Old 20 May 2016, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy View Post
cheap turbo and **** mapper, thats gonna go well haha
Tidgy, 23k since build on JGM , whom saddly cannot finish the job.

try to be hopeful and positive in life.
with a leap of faith just like your cat.
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Old 20 May 2016, 10:25 AM
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With so little info on these it's hard to take a leap of faith.

Like to hear from people who have covered decent mileage too 10k/20k plus

Surprised at how little info there is out there on these,

Lucky if i can find 2 graphs,

Compared to the amount of threads on these,


If it makes good power spools well and takes the miles it's a no brainer,

But i havn't seen anything to prove this.
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Old 20 May 2016, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy View Post
With so little info on these it's hard to take a leap of faith...If it makes good power spools well and takes the miles it's a no brainer,But i havn't seen anything to prove this.
That's fair comment ,
& while mine is not a Kinguwa turbo, its a PRC cheapy 16G, Tidgy loves it!
So Im never going to be able to help you with a curve. What I can say is the standard of engineering and material on the Kinguwa waste gate acuator is first class. The interchangable springs with different ratings allow you to really tune in when the gate opens. I suspect most people whom are tight on budget , that buy cheap turbos don't care much about spending money for RR afterwards. The Kinguwa is however not cheap its mid priced, this video gives you some idea what you are dealing with
( the actuator here is however a "bought in cheapy" this is not the configurable one I bought separately) The ability for a turbo to spool to a choosen pressure is limited by WGA's tune and machine tolerances , it follows that if the impeller vanes do not pass neatly to the inlet then you will not build boost quickly. Also if the bearings slop around then the whole assy won't last long. Other than this a turbo is a fairly simple bit of kit, and you should not read to much pathos into reputable but over priced " brandnames". I can only "generalise" to say from experience of import of parts and sourcing in manufacting of SMT machines , the company in which I work build in USA and PRC that what comes out of Taiwan can be better trusted than PRC. However as soon as I say that 10 people will spring out of the bush on this site and contradict me. If I had the choice and the money to pay for them I would only use parts made in Germany. ( Then of course I would because I live here ). It would follow therefore that If I had just spent 5 k to put a decent re-built engine in, I would not put a 250 quid turbo on top. In my case I spent in total 1600 quid doing that and 600 tune from Simon to arrive at somewhere between 320-330 bhp , Im probably missing 15 bhp as Im not yet running 1.45 bar as planned. You have to decide what you wish to spend and live with the consequences. Best regs Ralph
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Originally Posted by Linksfahrer View Post
That's fair comment ,
& while mine is not a Kinguwa turbo, its a PRC cheapy 16G, Tidgy loves it!
So Im never going to be able to help you with a curve. What I can say is the standard of engineering and material on the Kinguwa waste gate acuator is first class. The interchangable springs with different ratings allow you to really tune in when the gate opens. I suspect most people whom are tight on budget , that buy cheap turbos don't care much about spending money for RR afterwards. The Kinguwa is however not cheap its mid priced, this video gives you some idea what you are dealing with Kinugawa TD05-18g 8cm turbo unboxed - YouTube ( the actuator here is however a "bought in cheapy" this is not the configurable one I bought separately) The ability for a turbo to spool to a choosen pressure is limited by WGA's tune and machine tolerances , it follows that if the impeller vanes do not pass neatly to the inlet then you will not build boost quickly. Also if the bearings slop around then the whole assy won't last long. Other than this a turbo is a fairly simple bit of kit, and you should not read to much pathos into reputable but over priced " brandnames". I can only "generalise" to say from experience of import of parts and sourcing in manufacting of SMT machines , the company in which I work build in USA and PRC that what comes out of Taiwan can be better trusted than PRC. However as soon as I say that 10 people will spring out of the bush on this site and contradict me. If I had the choice and the money to pay for them I would only use parts made in Germany. ( Then of course I would because I live here ). It would follow therefore that If I had just spent 5 k to put a decent re-built engine in, I would not put a 250 quid turbo on top. In my case I spent in total 1600 quid doing that and 600 tune from Simon to arrive at somewhere between 320-330 bhp , Im probably missing 15 bhp as Im not yet running 1.45 bar as planned. You have to decide what you wish to spend and live with the consequences. Best regs Ralph
the biggest issue i have with them is they are very unreliable as far as results go. Some do decent spool and power, the majority just don't. Which is exactly what your saying.

The more expensive turbos, garret, blouch etc are made to tight tolerances so you get a consistent result. That's why you pay more money for them in the first place.

Not to mention the cheapy's are just copy's, not always for the better.
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Old 20 May 2016, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy View Post
the biggest issue i have with them is they are very unreliable as far as results go. Some do decent spool and power, the majority just don't. Which is exactly what your saying.

The more expensive turbos, garret, blouch etc are made to tight tolerances so you get a consistent result. That's why you pay more money for them in the first place.

Not to mention the cheapy's are just copy's, not always for the better.
I couldn't find any "Real" results to prove them unreliable either,

Mostly folk saying "I've heard", "My mate told me",

Precision Turbo had a bad name years ago and now they are one of the best in the market,

I think you would be surprised how little the garrett/blouch cost to produce as well,

I agree on the unbranded crap 100 chinese ebay jobs, only going to cause trouble

But Kinugawa/Arashi are actually quite big globally.


I didnt personally take the risk but seriously considered it,
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