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You have to remember that your car is now 14 years old. What bhp it had then has now been reduced. Some of these newer cars have a similar power but havent had years of abuse and will still be close to the original power they had.
A few mods and a map will bring it back to life a bit, not to mention a good service.
If that doesnt work you may want to try pushing the right pedal a bit harder next time
A few mods and a map will bring it back to life a bit, not to mention a good service.
If that doesnt work you may want to try pushing the right pedal a bit harder next time
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sorry tommy ill just go outside to my money tree to find the cash to buy a PROPER impreza ..........may aswell scrap this one now its obviously worthless!!!!!!!!!!pfffftttttttt
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I can understand why you are a little disappointed as you've always wanted one and now find yourself a little underwhelmed as you've probably built it up over the years to an anti-climax. You have gone for a bottom of the range one though, a bit like wanting an ST for years and buying a 1.6 Ghia.
BUT....this is where your journey begins, ask what will squeeze a bit more power in the technical section, then invest a bit in the for sale section. You'll be happy with the returns you get for very little and the options that are out there.
Get some time behind the wheel on a Sunday at a quiet industrial estate. Its a different car to what you're used to so needs to be driven differently. Once you start to push them comfortably it will have you grinning.
There seems to be an influx of people thinking they can drive an Impreza the same as they drive their in-line four's.
BUT....this is where your journey begins, ask what will squeeze a bit more power in the technical section, then invest a bit in the for sale section. You'll be happy with the returns you get for very little and the options that are out there.
Get some time behind the wheel on a Sunday at a quiet industrial estate. Its a different car to what you're used to so needs to be driven differently. Once you start to push them comfortably it will have you grinning.
There seems to be an influx of people thinking they can drive an Impreza the same as they drive their in-line four's.
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i cant see a major diiference between a wrx and a 2000 turbo as standard my maye has 2005 wrx and there is nothing between them at alllll........ erm think i have a stalker looking into my past weiiirdddd
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220bhp is only half the story though, a uk classic is only 1235kg (without aircon which was an option) and AWD. That still makes for a half decent power to weight ratio. Add a full decat system and most make more than 240bhp so I wouldn't say they were a slow car. Of course a few mods and they really come alive
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im not going to sell my uk 1. its minted 2. better insurance 3. still love driving it ........plus i havent long put a stainless and new 17 inch bugeye wheels on her so she will do me untill i can afford a sti she still kicks *** point to point out of most cars thats for sure.............and i for one will tell anyone no civic tyre r or clio 200 will pass me on a straight and 100 percent not a back road !!!!!!!!
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cant see how this MASSIVE extra power between a 218bhp uk turbo and a 225 bhp wrx comes from but if its the diff of 7bhp thats ****s all over a skoda i better sell up or just but a 60 quid decat pipe ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,talking standard cars here not mapped wrx s versus a standard uk 2000 .........and also id like to say id rather push a p reg subaru sport backwards than drive a bloody wagon ..........not mentioning no names lol
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cant see how this MASSIVE extra power between a 218bhp uk turbo and a 225 bhp wrx comes from but if its the diff of 7bhp thats ****s all over a skoda i better sell up or just but a 60 quid decat pipe ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,talking standard cars here not mapped wrx s versus a standard uk 2000 .........and also id like to say id rather push a p reg subaru sport backwards than drive a bloody wagon ..........not mentioning no names lol
I have a 1995 WRX Saloon and a 1995 STi Wagon and for what it's worth the wagon drives better all day long
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Where I have a JDM STI Spec-C, With an exhaust and 3 port and remap is 360bhp/380lbft and 0-60 is probably 4 seconds if I launched it, Will and has embarrassed a lot of expensive cars, There are a lot of different variations of the same car with a massive difference in handling and power delivery
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Just for everyone's reference a guide to 0-60 and 0-100 for some cars (figures taken from EVO)
0-60 and 0-100 times
Clio 200 - 6.6 secs/16.7 secs
Blobeye WRX PPP - 4.8 secs/14.1 secs
Blobeye WRX standard 5.5secs/15.9secs
Blobeye STI PPP - 5.2 secs/12.9 secs
Focus ST - 6.7secs/16.8secs
Focus RS - 5.9secs/14.2 secs
Civic Type R - 6.8secs/17.5 secs
Astra VXR - 6.7 secs/16.7 secs
Golf R32 - 5.8/15.2 secs
Megane 250 - 6.1secs/14.6 secs
Audi RS4 - 4.5secs/10.9 secs
BMW 335 - 5.2secs/12.2 secs
0-60 and 0-100 times
Clio 200 - 6.6 secs/16.7 secs
Blobeye WRX PPP - 4.8 secs/14.1 secs
Blobeye WRX standard 5.5secs/15.9secs
Blobeye STI PPP - 5.2 secs/12.9 secs
Focus ST - 6.7secs/16.8secs
Focus RS - 5.9secs/14.2 secs
Civic Type R - 6.8secs/17.5 secs
Astra VXR - 6.7 secs/16.7 secs
Golf R32 - 5.8/15.2 secs
Megane 250 - 6.1secs/14.6 secs
Audi RS4 - 4.5secs/10.9 secs
BMW 335 - 5.2secs/12.2 secs
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how ever its looked at, the 2000 turbo is just a 2l turbo car.. just the same as many other 2l turbo cars out there.. some will be quicker than yours and some won't, some handle better and some won't. truth is modern cars these days are very good, and will be hard beaten by old cars unless set up correctly for the job which either means spending money to get it right or simply buying one that is caperble already.
buying an entry level impreza and being surprised when a current modern car can keep up or beat you isnt a massive shock, just because its an impreza doesnt make it invincable, and believe it or not im pretty sure a clio 200 or CTR wouldnt be out of the race in a straight line against you... you only have an extra 18bhp if that.
buying an entry level impreza and being surprised when a current modern car can keep up or beat you isnt a massive shock, just because its an impreza doesnt make it invincable, and believe it or not im pretty sure a clio 200 or CTR wouldnt be out of the race in a straight line against you... you only have an extra 18bhp if that.
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Plenty of very fine points being made here. OP, what you need to remember is that although you do have an entry level Impreza, it is extremely good value (especially what you paid) considering what you've actually got for your money. And you can turn it into quite a different beast for another thousand quid or so.
Look at this like this - probably 80-90% of the performance of a modern car, for 80-90% less money than a modern car. Keep that in mind and you should be more than contented with what you have.
Invest in some effective modifications, and you'll have a well sorted and capable car for much less outlay than those people in their new Clio 200 or Focus RS. That is the satisfaction to be had.
Look at this like this - probably 80-90% of the performance of a modern car, for 80-90% less money than a modern car. Keep that in mind and you should be more than contented with what you have.
Invest in some effective modifications, and you'll have a well sorted and capable car for much less outlay than those people in their new Clio 200 or Focus RS. That is the satisfaction to be had.
#58
To be fair I think the classics albeit a bit dated now still offer very good performance per pound. How many cars of that age & money offer 4wd, power, tuneability, reliability for under 2k?
There is a lot of uk turbo haters out there but I have a soft spot for them. I've owned over 50 cars in about 17 years of driving (not to impress anyone but just to let you know I have some form of understanding of various cars. I'm sure there will be many others out there that have owned much more & are for more knowledgeable than me) My cars have ranged from 400bhp escort cossie's to m3's etc. I've owned a focus RS, Integra type r, CTR etc etc. each of which had their flaws. Bless the cossie I loved her to bits but she spent more time in the garage or up on the ramps than on the road. My FRS was pap at best in anything but dry weather. I could never put the power down properly unless it was bone dry. Yes on the track it would hand out many more expensive exotica it's ar$e$.
I've owned 3 classics, 1 bug wrx (ginger step child) (no offence to anyone ginger), 2 blob sti's. For me the rawness & the occassion of driving the classic impreza is something else. Granted the classic sti or even the wrx is a better car than the uk 2000 however with a bit of time & money spent there isn't a world of difference. I definitely agree that driver skill has a lot to do with it.
Anyhow I've recently sold my 54 plate sti & bought a cheap uk classic for a grand. I'm planning at throwing about 1.5k on her & she will be more than capable at handing some ar$e$. That's a lot of car for 2.5k.
Some people love to belittle the uk turbo but at the end of the day you spend to your means. Not all of us have 10-15k spare to waste on a car which in the real world won't have a vast amount of difference performance wise.
To the OP you have what appears to be a very nice impreza which will no doubt retain it's value & possibly go up. Spend a bit of money on her & get used to driving the old girl hard & she will surprise you & other snobs out there!
There is a lot of uk turbo haters out there but I have a soft spot for them. I've owned over 50 cars in about 17 years of driving (not to impress anyone but just to let you know I have some form of understanding of various cars. I'm sure there will be many others out there that have owned much more & are for more knowledgeable than me) My cars have ranged from 400bhp escort cossie's to m3's etc. I've owned a focus RS, Integra type r, CTR etc etc. each of which had their flaws. Bless the cossie I loved her to bits but she spent more time in the garage or up on the ramps than on the road. My FRS was pap at best in anything but dry weather. I could never put the power down properly unless it was bone dry. Yes on the track it would hand out many more expensive exotica it's ar$e$.
I've owned 3 classics, 1 bug wrx (ginger step child) (no offence to anyone ginger), 2 blob sti's. For me the rawness & the occassion of driving the classic impreza is something else. Granted the classic sti or even the wrx is a better car than the uk 2000 however with a bit of time & money spent there isn't a world of difference. I definitely agree that driver skill has a lot to do with it.
Anyhow I've recently sold my 54 plate sti & bought a cheap uk classic for a grand. I'm planning at throwing about 1.5k on her & she will be more than capable at handing some ar$e$. That's a lot of car for 2.5k.
Some people love to belittle the uk turbo but at the end of the day you spend to your means. Not all of us have 10-15k spare to waste on a car which in the real world won't have a vast amount of difference performance wise.
To the OP you have what appears to be a very nice impreza which will no doubt retain it's value & possibly go up. Spend a bit of money on her & get used to driving the old girl hard & she will surprise you & other snobs out there!
#59
As it's already been said in this thread, just because it's an Impreza does not mean it is going to lighting fast. 220bhp back in the late 90's was not really that powerful, the e30 M3 was making 195-215 bhp in the late 80's early 90's and only weighed around 1100kg!
With my own P1, I have with my current set up 322bhp / 329flbt and it's been able to hold it's own against newer cars. But while it can match newer hot hatches, they don't have to deal with mid 20's mpg when they are "playing". I think the chassis of the classic is still a very solid design and with so much after market support for the cars, it can allow you to constantly develop and evolve the car as much as you want, while still keeping that Impreza "feeling" each and every time you drive.
The one thing is no matter if you drive a UK Turbo or an 22B, you have got one of the best sounding 4 cylinder cars on the road and with the 2 door classics, I think they are actually still one of the best looking cars for the money.
With my own P1, I have with my current set up 322bhp / 329flbt and it's been able to hold it's own against newer cars. But while it can match newer hot hatches, they don't have to deal with mid 20's mpg when they are "playing". I think the chassis of the classic is still a very solid design and with so much after market support for the cars, it can allow you to constantly develop and evolve the car as much as you want, while still keeping that Impreza "feeling" each and every time you drive.
The one thing is no matter if you drive a UK Turbo or an 22B, you have got one of the best sounding 4 cylinder cars on the road and with the 2 door classics, I think they are actually still one of the best looking cars for the money.