c_maguire

You've just implied that over 90% of the car owners in this country are stupid. I don't have a problem per se with this although I would probably remove car ownership as a pre-requisite.
However, as usual, you have still avoided the original question.

urban

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I doubt you'll get a straight forward answer to your question

f1_fan

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OK here goes - I have no idea whether your summer Michelins will perform better on wet roads between 0 and 7 degrees than a budget winter tyre, but as I said if you fit budget tyres you are dim. I do know however that proper winter tyres will perfrom better and that is what matters to me!

BTW do you really think 90% of people are using budget tyres?

ScoobySteve69

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Mate, you might as well bang your head against a brick wall, there's just no educating some people. The videos I posted say it all really. There's still people harping on about driving in the snow...ffs, they're WINTER tyres not snow tyres.

Fat Boy

+1

Some really boring repetitive arguments on here from people who have zero relevant experience - but then that's the joy of scoobynet....

urban

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Emperor's new clothes syndrome

c_maguire

These are acceptable Winter tyres going by reliable reviews but they are still near 500 notes before fitting.

The whole Winter tyre debate still seems very black and white to me.
The decision should rest solely on the implications of snow and ice in your driving environment. The whole 'below 7 degrees blah blah blah....' line is just some catch-all trotted out by those with an agenda, and is only relevant if comparing (as an example) a vehicle run on premium Summer tyres and then premium Winter tyres by a driver who actually pushes the vehicle in both cases.

f1_fan

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They're all in denial

"I spent thuiasands on me Scoob but I'll be buggered if I want tyres on it that will grip in winter"

f1_fan

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Like in the Continental video posted earlier?

jonc

Personally I can't see how the Government could make the use of winter tyres mandatory during the winter months. There are nearly 40million registered vehicles on UK's roads. We simply do not have the infrastructure in place to cope with the change over between the winter and spring months, not to mention the massive number and cost of tyres and wheels that would need to be imported into the country and stored. At a time when most households are finding it hard to make ends meet, people do not need the Government to impose a further several hundred pounds to their cost of motoring. Also not everyone has the facility to store wheels and tyres when not in use.

ditchmyster

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If you want decent winter tyres at a reasonable price check out Apolo, they are the company that own vredestien.

I bought 4 for £200 fitted for my rover and they work really well and get good reviews.

c_maguire

Hmmmm, the 7 degrees thing again.
You may have an alternative standpoint but you're equally as pig-headed as those you are referring to.

I have never used premium Winter tyres.
I have however used budget ones and I would rather keep the Pilots on.

And the reason people keep banging on about snow (or ice also in my case) is because we live in GB and not USSR (as was) so the tyres cannot justifiy themselves here as Winter tyres because Winter is short-lived and not particularly cold. Whereas I would hope everybody can appreciate their advantages in snow or on ice, and make the decision to use them if that is an issue.

c_maguire

But as I've said before, my eyes tell me virtually everybody drives at a pace that renders that irrelevant. I could put push-bike tyres on and manage to get around quicker than near everyone else I come across.

^Qwerty^

Now that's an interesting point. I've got two cars, one with Marshal(Budget) and the other with ContiWinterContactTM's. Without doubt, the Conti's are the better tyre, they just grip so well on cold wet roads, it's a bit of an eye opener to be honest. Also, in the really bad 9 weeks of snow we had the other year, I never failed to get to work, and that was driving on country/rural roads, which on some days were untouched by any other vehicle.

I don't get the same level of confidence from the Marshal's, and it would be interesting to do a side to side brake/grip test against the summer tyres I took off and the Marshals on a cold, wet road. In snow, slush and on ice, they do out perform the ST's I took off, because the car won't move without them, so they do something, but I'd agree they may not be as effective on just a cold & wet road as the ST I took off.

Geezer

This isn't really relevant to the argument though, is it? I don't think anyone is suggesting that proper winter tyres are not better, but so what? You could apply the same argument for studded tyres as opposed to winter tyres, but for 99% of the year, they are just not necessary. Even when we do get snow, the majority of the country is unaffected.

We could easily apply the same argument that the government should invest millions of pounds in the same equipment that Canada or Scandnavian countries utilise to keep them going, but it simply isn't worth it.

It's unenforceable anyway, I doubt very much it will happen.

Geezer

c_maguire

Thank you

f1_fan

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The comment I made that you quoted wasn't addressing the issue of legality or enforcement.

MrNoisy

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Thanks for calling me stupid.
Let's put it into context then.

I run Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas in summer.
In the summer they're an awesome tyre, yet in the winter they're f**king useless, exactly the same as matey boy's Michelin's - it doesn't matter how much you paid for them, they're a summer compound that's inefficient at low temperatures.

I run budgets for the winter because I choose not to drive like a loon at that time of year. That's my choice, even if I ran Nokians or Vredestein Wintracs, I still wouldn't go around at 70mph everywhere.
Winter tyres are an assist - they don't allow you to drive like the conditions are summer.

I actually had an accident on ice in my old WRX just over 4 years ago on Sessantas where the car wouldn't stop, turn, power out of the skid - just slid and there was nothing I could do.
Been in the same situation on winters and the car can stop. I'm happy to go slower in snow and ice, so why would I want to buy real expensive tyres if I'm not going to use them to their potential?

They help me get going and stop in this weather better than a vehicle equipped with summer tyres. End of, no argument.

As to the comment from another user about "official tests" - I note you neglected to include a link, or is that because you made it up

TonyBurns

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Why should we keep posting up the official link if people cannot be arsed watching it the first time round?
The "official" link is one I posted and tested on the 2 Seat's, after the snow test they do a summer v winter tyre test at Continentals proving ground in germany where they demonstrate the difference in braking between summer and winter tyres in the wet at around 4 deg c, go watch it, think its on page 5 on one of my posts, all the other "dont need winter tyres because my summer tyres out perform them in winter" people seem to over look the results

urban

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I think the point that Mr Maguire was making was that his good summer tyres are better than budget winter tyres in temperatures of less than 8 degrees when there is no snow - as thats pretty much what UK winters are like.
Several days of snow, then back to cold again.
Excluding snow, as he accepted winter is better.
He was told that no one puts budget winter tyres on, but MrNoisy clearly states that he does.

Luan Pra bang

Nothing wrong with decent budget tyres, I drove through deep snow, ice and even a blizzard on some M+S marked budget tyres that cost no more than £55 each, the car was an eighties golf and I took it 4500 kms to Eastern Europe in December. When you are in the middle of an Estonian forrest, driving through a blizzard at 3 am on your own having confidence in your tyres becomes important. When you are going from the suburbs to the local tesco express I am not so sure they are such a big deal.

JTaylor

The reason people should wear winter rubber is that it allows them to build-up far more speed for prolonged drifting in empty car parks.

mrmadcap

You can all stick your winter tyres up your @rses

f1_fan

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This place is a right laugh.

If it were a normal thread asking about tyres for a Scoob and anyone suggested putting Nangkang, Linglong or Semperits or their ilk on they would be met with a barrage of derision, but as soon as it's winter tyres we get people saying budget tyres are fine or what's the point of winter tyres as budget ones may be outperformed by premium summer ones.... when if they have premium summer tyres wouldn't they fit premium winter ones if they were going to fit them at all?

After 9 pages I don't know why we bothered

ScoobySteve69

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Took ya long enough to realise you can't educate pork

joz8968

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...And lo, the pomposity was pricked.

JTaylor

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...-main-man.html

#5

joz8968

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Completely O/T (well, aside form the IQ )...


ROAR!!

I've got genuine tears.

MC Steve has nothing on him.

#.....'Cos that is ****ing ME!#

#...Er...#

JTaylor

mickywrx

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Is that a Twitter thing?

***** is how it's spelt.