mrmadcap

Wot du yu now abowt spelin munky anger?

mickywrx

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I'm not from Hartlepool, you numpty. They hung the monkey.

joz8968

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Misspelling is great.

'Louish Walss' anyone?

RobsyUK

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What's a winter tyre?

mrmadcap

They are summer tyres that are fitted in the winter so they will be worn in by the time summer comes and will perform at their optimum efficiency.

They should really be called winter summer tyres to avoid the confusion.

Prodrive are currently doing a deal on these for £1,500 a corner for the full on insulated carbon fibre, titanium belted versions with internal studs.

RealNacro

not quite what it was here is it?

RA Dunk

Ignorance is bliss.

Suresh

My take on the thread is that if you live in Bellendia winter tyres are clearly waste of hard-earned. For residents of other areas they are probably a good idea if you like to use your car all year round

davyboy

Will any owners of winter tyres admit they can't tell the difference in the cold and wet from good summer tyres? Lets take snow out the equation as I think we all admit the tyres definitely excel here.

....of course not. Would be the same as admitting you could feel less under steer when you fitted an updated front anti roll bar to your classic Impreza. Or fuel surge caused your spin.

MrNoisy

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Mate I freely admit that in the wet my budget winters are crap, same as Yoko Parada Spec 2's lol.
However that's not why I bought them.
I bought them to drive on the ice and snow when its here (and our parking area and estate is still pretty icy at present).
I don't go quick as I know they're budget and ain't wonderful but I have confidence that I won't get stuck and won't skid on ice which is why I bought em.
Any dick can drive like a moron in this cold weather and its all very well to say 'my road tyres will outbrake budget winters' - yeah that's probably true - until you hit a patch of ice, skid and crash.
I would personally rather just drive sensibly and have the right tyre for the job if the conditions warrant it.

I have a set of spare alloys with them on and so I can swap them whenever it's due to snow which is handy. I realise not everyone else had that luxury but it works well for me.

Infected by sti

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So when you spend a small fortune on new DECENT summer tyres and expect them to work all year through, when we do get a cold snap like we've had lately and have had thick snow lying all over the place where I live, are you still expecting them to perform well? I have never really needed winter tyres admittedly on my front wheel drive cars, but where I want good decent tyres for the road in warmer conditions to do their job and stick to the road on the scoob surely you are gonna want the same sure footed stance of grip during the winter, may be it is purely down to the potenzas on my car, but do I risk spending another decent figure on different summer tyres and possibly get stuck again, or do I invest in a set of winter tyres that are specifically designed to cope better in this type of weather.

To me its a no brainer as like I say I HAVE been stuck, and no matter who was behind the wheel the outcome would be the same, and that I am willing to have a fair wager on There has even been a few 4x4 trucks been stuck or struggled to get up there, yet a FWD yaris derv gets up every time so for me it will be money well spent knowing my AWD scoob can actually do what its suppose to do, in theory what your saying is you could run WINTER tyres all year long if you just drive slower and not pushed on at all, same as what everyone is saying regarding the summer tyres in winter "just drive slower" so surely the argument would be to run winter tyres all year long as they should perform then what ever the weather, but that will never happen will it people will complain of lack of grip! And not being able to drive the car to its potential! Same applies for winter tyres they are designed to do a job within a given set of parameters, you wouldn't give a cricket bat to a tennis player

What ever happens its fair to say these potenzas will never see another winter and it may be a few days of the year that we see this snow in Wales, but if I'm going to get stuck like that every time then I may as well sell up and go back to a front wheel drive car, what's the point in owning something I can't use? Do rally drivers use summer tyres on snow events? Do formula 1 drivers use wet tyres in the warm or vice versa? Who are we to argue with millions of pounds that have been spent by the industry to design tyres to keep you on the road and have maximum contact and benefits for a given situation, like said many times before that video of the M3 says it all, you can't argue with that really can you, a car renowned for being shít in the snow leaving other cars for dead and even reversing up a hill when all the weight is over the front axle driving the rear wheels and it still reversed! If you can't see that then something is wrong

davyboy

Thanks for your honesty.

I still wonder how much difference winter and summer tyres would differ on cold and dry, and cold and damp tarmac.

I think there is too many variables too. How about 7mm summer tyres V 4mm winter tyres on cold wet, dry or damp tarmac. In fact much like my drivein this morning.

I still maintain that unless you HAVE to drive in the snow, then you are just not required in this country.

I'm sure I will get called names and insulted by the winter tyre buying advertising crew for my view, but

davyboy

f1_fan

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It's simple really.

Warm temps - summer tyres are the best

Snow and ice - winter tyres are the best by a mile

Cold temps - no matter how subjective you are decent winter tyres aren't ever going to be any worse than summer tyres and if snow does come (as it does in colder temps ) then you have the tyres for the job!

No brainer really! Esecially if you live in the Pennines

c_maguire

Nearly there, but if you think 'best by a mile' isn't equally appropriate for Summer tyres in warm temps then you ain't pushing them very hard.

f1_fan

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In test a car on summer tyres on a snow/ice surface took 3.5 times the distance to stop as the same car on winter tyres.

Winter tyres in warm conditions took 1.2 times the distance to stop as the same car on summer tyres ergo:

Warm temps - summer tyres are the best

Snow and ice - winter tyres are the best by a mile

Thanks

P.S. All tyres above premium brand

^Qwerty^

I've already written that a page back with regards the Marshal tyres I have compared to the Contis.

I adjust my driving to suit the road, car, conditions and tyres. Having the budget winters on allows me to continue to use both cars come what may with the weather.

It's the same thing people do with any tyre they put on their car; different 'premium' tyres provide differing levels of grip and people adjust their driving to suit that tyre, so personally I don't see the difference, except, as stated above, the winter budget tyre allows me to continue using the car in all conditions, I just adjust my driving accordingly. Simples.

c_maguire

I have used Bridgestone A001s in the Autumn (temp between 14-20) and they felt like the vehicle was running on Blancmanges, very vague and poor feedback, and far worse than Summer tyres.
And in addition, your stopping figures of 1.2 times the distance don't indicate that 2 weeks later with some hard driving thrown in the Winter tyres will be totally destroyed and have no hope of repeating those figures, hence the Summer tyres are 'better by a mile'.

MrNoisy

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I'm afraid if you're pushing your car hard on summer tyres in these conditions and temperatures then you're driving exceptionally irresponsibly IMHO.

To those people who are sticking to the "summer tyres are fine for driving in snow" - here's the rub: sure, you can get traction, but if you hit a big patch of ice, can you stop?
With my budget £60 a corner winters I can.
With my £110 a corner Vredesteins (also tried on Continentals) you can't - the car slides.

This is the age old argument of "well I have AWD in the snow and ice so I'm alright". And yes, you're fine to get going. It's stopping that's the problem.
So in terms of ice and snow - winter tyres will win every time in those conditions.
In wetter conditions with no ice and snow, decent summer tyres will outperform in terms of grip and potentially braking too.

However, when the road is dry and the weather's warm, I have no qualms about going quick. If it's wet I typically don't go hooning around on the limit, so I don't see what all this fuss is about.

Come on people, I think in a way many of you are actually agreeing with each other, and if you don't want winter tyres fine, but that's no excuse to give crap to those of us who need and use their abilities!

f1_fan

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Well if you're going to get f**king stuopid about it try this:

And your point fails to take into account that with a stipping distance of 3.5 times the winter tyre that with the summer tyre you will mow down a bus stop full of schoolchidldren and be doing time for manslaughter 2 weelks later.... winter tyres... better by a mile or should that be a 'stretch'

MrNoisy

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^^ What he said

jonc

Anyone tried "all weather" tyres? I don't have the space to store an extra set of wheels and these would go on the family MPV mainly driven by the wife. An Autoexpress test showed Hankook Optimo 4S and Vredestein Quatrac 3 performed pretty well and not far off from winter tyres in snowy/icy conditions.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tyre-gu...tyre-test-2011

c_maguire

My points are entirely relevant, your response is nonsense as you have yet again side-stepped the question and passed comment on something I have not even referred to in a manner that suggests I have. Your sidekick is guilty of the same behaviour. So who is really stupid?

c_maguire

The A001s are listed as an all-weather tyre-***-Winter tyre and are a premium brand. I have also used some Nokian budget all-weather tyres.

The A001s are near enough a Winter tyre and I've said how they felt to me in warmer conditions. I would not run them all year round.
The Nokians felt like a Summer tyre in that they didn't wallow all over the place, but you'd get more grip in the wet if you taped a couple of mackerel to your wheels. In the dry they slid around a lot if pushed, which is no different to what you get with budget Summer tyres compared to premium ones.

c_maguire

Are you actually replying to my post or a previous post by someone else?

f1_fan

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So let's see, you write something you claim is relevant which is in fact not relevant to the points being made (in the process proving yoursefl dumb enough to use winter tyres in conditions they should not be used in) and then accuse my response of being irrelevant

The figures I quoted stand as do the points I've made and no amount on conjecturing otherwise will make any difference!

Actually I am really questioning why I am even writing this as my New Year's resolution was not to waste time on those not worth it!

urban

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I'm not saying they not better or anything, but I think clarify 'stop'
Of course you will eventually get stopped, and be stopped before a summer tyre.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/wint...and-ice/259257

These boys tested and found on average that the winter tyres took 12.5 metres to get stopped on ice at only 12mph

MrNoisy

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Personally I found it was less than that, but then the what car boys should probably clarify whether they're on a road or an ice rink!
Think that says it all.

MrNoisy

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Yes I was was replying to your previous post.
All weathers are the interim tyre, and from what I understand, quite hard to get hold of. I've personally never seen an all weather tyre on sale here, I guess you'd have to order them in specially?

I remember when I researched this many moons ago and watched a test between BMW 3 series on an ice rink with summer, all weather and then winter tyres.
The results were all with the same marque of car and were interesting to watch.

Here it is:

fpan

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That's not true.

Winter tyres excel when the average temperature has dropped below 7C and they perform much better than any summer tyre.

Unless you try them don't rule them out.

Once you do you will never drive around with summer tyres in winter.