Originally Posted by G.Mac

must admit having watched Kevin Bridges I still chuckle out loud, I first watched that on the ship and had to stifle my laughter as most of the others on my alleyway were turned in.

anyways a wee copy paste for you

Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics...

Now, finally, did you also know that in all of the UK's elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide".

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

SCOTLAND, ITS TIME TO STAND UP AS A NATION AND VOTE YES ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER... AND BECOME A FREE AND CARING NATION AGAIN!!!

VOTE YES AND SET OUR COUNTRY FREE!!!!

Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! !






edit I must admit, I think our vote did actually matter about 3 or 4 times in the last 100 years or so.

Originally Posted by alcazar

Oh, I dunno.......they have a hell of a lot of large lochs.

Originally Posted by Wurzel

If Scotland votes YES on thursday can we please have our old National Athem back?

"....Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious SCOTS to crush
God save the Queen..."

And then on friday invade Scotland and claim it for the crown

Originally Posted by Tidgy

hmmmm,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29213416

Originally Posted by Devildog

That has nothing to do with independence and is a potential issue irrespective of which way the vote goes on Thursday.

Originally Posted by G.Mac

must admit having watched Kevin Bridges I still chuckle out loud, I first watched that on the ship and had to stifle my laughter as most of the others on my alleyway were turned in.

anyways a wee copy paste for you

Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics...

Now, finally, did you also know that in all of the UK's elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide".

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

SCOTLAND, ITS TIME TO STAND UP AS A NATION AND VOTE YES ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER... AND BECOME A FREE AND CARING NATION AGAIN!!!

VOTE YES AND SET OUR COUNTRY FREE!!!!

Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! !






edit I must admit, I think our vote did actually matter about 3 or 4 times in the last 100 years or so.

Originally Posted by jasey

And you want to tell your biggest customer to go **** themselves .

If the UK is so **** why is there a queue fifteen miles long in Calais to get in?

Originally Posted by jonc

The queue will be for Scotland since it will be so much better up there, more benefits, better free health care, more jobs, more wealth, more public spending, less tax, more growth, the streets will be paved with black gold.

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery

In which case, would Alex be welcoming EU migrants in with open arms? Strange kind of Nationalism if he did.

Originally Posted by jonc

Forget the oil bananza that the oil companies will be getting, I'm thinking of the IT bananza that awaits after independence. It'll be like the "millenium bug" all over again! ker-ching! The only drawback is being paid in Scottish Spondoolies.

http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/...r-independence

Originally Posted by f1_fan

I think 'Better Together' is a bad choice of campaign name.... 'Better enslaved and ignored' would be more accurate

Originally Posted by Devildog

That has nothing to do with independence and is a potential issue irrespective of which way the vote goes on Thursday.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good independence scare story (Better Together have latched onto this too)

Originally Posted by bioforger

Scottish smackaroonies.

Originally Posted by G.Mac

But we DO have...


...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

Originally Posted by jonc

Well if he wants EU membership (which, supposidly, Scotland will have automatic membership) then Scotland has to have open borders for EU migrants.

Originally Posted by Devildog

That has nothing to do with independence and is a potential issue irrespective of which way the vote goes on Thursday.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good independence scare story (Better Together have latched onto this too)

Originally Posted by f1_fan

I think 'Better Together' is a bad choice of campaign name.... 'Better enslaved and ignored' would be more accurate

Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't

The Spanish have again joined the Independance & EU debate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...not-pound.html

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Salmond is getting away with telling bare faced lies about the NHS.

Originally Posted by Maz

'Independance'?
Surely you mean independence?
Besides the Spanish are sh!tting themselves because if the Scots do get independence, then the Basque separatists will have a precedent for their own separatism.

Originally Posted by Maz

'Independance'?
Surely you mean independence?
Besides the Spanish are sh!tting themselves because if the Scots do get independence, then the Basque separatists will have a precedent for their own separatism.

Originally Posted by Geezer

I really don't see why Spain would care. Country X getting independence does not mean coutnry Y will get it. This is not a precedent in law that applies across the EU, this is a matter for the UK, and the UK only. It doesn't matter if the whole of the EU breaks up apart from Spain, if they dno't want the Basques to go it alone, they don't have to let it happen.

OK, it may mean more terrorism, but that's not the same at all. Allowing Scotland in to the EU has no effect on whether Spain allows any autonomy to a region that wishes for independence!

Originally Posted by alcazar

No, it won't confer any rights, but what's sauce for the goose.....they will CERTAINLY step up their campaign, which cannot be good for those caught up in it.

Originally Posted by Maz

Wise words.
Look at the melee in the Middle East, events in one country led to similar in others. There is the French issue too as pointed out by Jeff above. Monkey see monkey do.

Originally Posted by Geezer

Well,if you are comparing Europe to the Middle East....

Originally Posted by alcazar

No, it won't confer any rights, but what's sauce for the goose.....they will CERTAINLY step up their campaign, which cannot be good for those caught up in it.