Scottish Independence
more scare mongering just goes to show how desperate westminster and the no campaign have become
say what you will about me being blind to the truth but I know westminster will do anything to try scare the scottish to stay in the union
and they influence majority of the newspapers
their scare mongering tactics and lies have pushed the voters into the yes campaigns favor already just clutching straws now LOL
say what you will about me being blind to the truth but I know westminster will do anything to try scare the scottish to stay in the union
and they influence majority of the newspapers
their scare mongering tactics and lies have pushed the voters into the yes campaigns favor already just clutching straws now LOL
The views expressed in the the article are not of Westminsters, but that of financial analysts and economists from various financial institutions in the market. The views of the UK market and from institutional investors globally to the Yes vote has been realised today and this was based on just opinion polls. You are of course entitled to view what was reported in the media was engineered by Westminster, but the reality of what happened today on the market is a prospect that Scottish businesses can expect to face more of on a Yes vote.LOL the no campaign and westminster will try anything to scare a no vote out of us LOL
pretty funny when they get caught out again lying
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29087393
pretty funny when they get caught out again lying
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29087393

Won't there be transaction costs to consider that'll be passed on to its customers? This is what Alex Salmond keeps banging on about on the likely outcome where there is no currency union.
Nizmo80 are you not concerned that westminster may be keeping some of its powder dry? after all they are the ones who have given Scotland the opportunity and they could have a back up plan if the yes vote is successful.
Scotland may well be better off with the yes vote but like wise it could go **** up. I am not sure I would want to take the chance myself but all power to you.
Scotland may well be better off with the yes vote but like wise it could go **** up. I am not sure I would want to take the chance myself but all power to you.
Not only the scottish dont really like you the welsh and irish think england are arrogant pr1cks too with pretty much alot of other countrys as well 
And as for being liked from other countrys
its just because mostly we go over with better attitudes and are a lot more friendly
unlike jumped up arrogant b@stards like the english.

And as for being liked from other countrys
its just because mostly we go over with better attitudes and are a lot more friendly
unlike jumped up arrogant b@stards like the english.
I must admit, it was always amusing watching the jocks get upset when the Spanish/Canarians asked them whereabouts in England they were from
What is wrong with the Scottish people?! Not going to wade back through 995 posts but is it the biggest chip ever in the history of chips on shoulders??!
And no,Mel Gibson wasnt really scottish.Sure thats been raised
Oh,and Gascoigne,s goal against Scotland best ever
And no,Mel Gibson wasnt really scottish.Sure thats been raised
Oh,and Gascoigne,s goal against Scotland best ever
Lets just stick with the debt for a minute, you are actually saying that England is a failure? The debt is due to a global problem and something you are going to have to learn yourself if the yes vote is successful is its not just about managing your own affairs but managing them in a world market. The uk has been able to stand much stronger than a lot of the world and Europe and this debt is nothing more than a business loan, something many successful business have.
Do you really have that attitude towards the English? The English as ive said have been more than welcoming to the Scottish over recent years and speak highly of Scotland but it would appear that you dont deserve any of it.
Ask yourself self this, why does the EU so desperately want the uk/England? I just wounder if they will be banging on the door of Scotland with such enthusiasm is the yes vote is successful.
It would be real shame if the yes vote is swung due to emotions as we could be stronger together but I suspect that this could be the case.
Do you really have that attitude towards the English? The English as ive said have been more than welcoming to the Scottish over recent years and speak highly of Scotland but it would appear that you dont deserve any of it.
Ask yourself self this, why does the EU so desperately want the uk/England? I just wounder if they will be banging on the door of Scotland with such enthusiasm is the yes vote is successful.
It would be real shame if the yes vote is swung due to emotions as we could be stronger together but I suspect that this could be the case.
Theeu won't be banging on their door at all they won't be allowed to join for 5-10yrs!
So with no currency, no trade partnerships, no bank, no security forces, no passports, no driving lisences, and no employment once the mod leave and most importantly, no money!!!!!
This is gonna go really well for you guys, everything you have is because of England, wait until you have to stop piggybacking all of our services (passports etc) and find the money to set all this up for yourself.
How can anyone have a credible argument for independence when they can't even tell you what you will be paid in, the UK have already said you won't be using our currency yet I don't see any other suggestions or predictions of what will be used instead. Salmond is a one trick pony who couldn't answer a question straight if his life depended on it. He still talks about a currency union that we have already ruled out.
I hope Scotland does get independence.....even if just to get them to stfu about it. I never cared when I was young and I do not care now.
Maybe I am being naive but I never saw the benefit of Scotland being part of the UK other than 'space for if we need it' and I am sure Scotland never saw the benefit of being part of the UK either.
I hope Scotland get independence and I hope they make a success of it. It will be difficult as you will not qualify for EU membership or to use the Euro for many years. If you do, salut to you. But if you "yes" people get to go it alone and it is a disaster then I hope you dont whine about how it is all Englands fault.
I do not trust politicians from Scotland nor England. I put my trust in the opinions of economists and financial experts who probably actually know the real economic implications and all seem unanimous in their verdict.
Maybe I am being naive but I never saw the benefit of Scotland being part of the UK other than 'space for if we need it' and I am sure Scotland never saw the benefit of being part of the UK either.
I hope Scotland get independence and I hope they make a success of it. It will be difficult as you will not qualify for EU membership or to use the Euro for many years. If you do, salut to you. But if you "yes" people get to go it alone and it is a disaster then I hope you dont whine about how it is all Englands fault.
I do not trust politicians from Scotland nor England. I put my trust in the opinions of economists and financial experts who probably actually know the real economic implications and all seem unanimous in their verdict.
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Theeu won't be banging on their door at all they won't be allowed to join for 5-10yrs!
So with no currency, no trade partnerships, no bank, no security forces, no passports, no driving lisences, and no employment once the mod leave and most importantly, no money!!!!!
This is gonna go really well for you guys, everything you have is because of England, wait until you have to stop piggybacking all of our services (passports etc) and find the money to set all this up for yourself.
How can anyone have a credible argument for independence when they can't even tell you what you will be paid in, the UK have already said you won't be using our currency yet I don't see any other suggestions or predictions of what will be used instead. Salmond is a one trick pony who couldn't answer a question straight if his life depended on it. He still talks about a currency union that we have already ruled out.
So with no currency, no trade partnerships, no bank, no security forces, no passports, no driving lisences, and no employment once the mod leave and most importantly, no money!!!!!
This is gonna go really well for you guys, everything you have is because of England, wait until you have to stop piggybacking all of our services (passports etc) and find the money to set all this up for yourself.
How can anyone have a credible argument for independence when they can't even tell you what you will be paid in, the UK have already said you won't be using our currency yet I don't see any other suggestions or predictions of what will be used instead. Salmond is a one trick pony who couldn't answer a question straight if his life depended on it. He still talks about a currency union that we have already ruled out.
the No campaign are now offering Enhanced Devolution - and it is being championed by Gordon Brown, Ironic that Cameron suddenly needs Gordon Brown to dig him out of a whole
It just shows how much the No vote are running scared
But interestingly I heard on the news yesterday that Alex Salmond did offer to have a third choice on the ballot box - funnily enough called Enhanced Devolution but the arrogance and hubris of Westminster said no - it needs to be a simply binary in / out choice (presumably because the thought they would walk the No vote)
I think it is the above shiftyness and arrogance of Westminster that some Scots find so appalling
It just shows how much the No vote are running scared
But interestingly I heard on the news yesterday that Alex Salmond did offer to have a third choice on the ballot box - funnily enough called Enhanced Devolution but the arrogance and hubris of Westminster said no - it needs to be a simply binary in / out choice (presumably because the thought they would walk the No vote)
I think it is the above shiftyness and arrogance of Westminster that some Scots find so appalling
It's never been about a credible arguement for independence. Alex Salmond has promised that there will be a currency union, that bank deposits will be safe and mortgages will be unaffected just as it is now for the UK. But the reality of this is lost in the all the bluster, and the truth is that Alex Salmond is in no position to make such promises and that sums up a lot of his his campaign and policies. It is a case of who shouts the loudests and since Alex Salmond has bought up all the bill boards sites I think the only thing you'll see from now until the day of the referendum is a country plasted with Yes posters.
iScotchland has four options as far as most of the finance experts suggest:
In view of all that’s happened in Europe, it is extraordinary that Scots could think monetary union with Westminster perfectly compatible with full scale independence. This is none the less the platform sold to them by the Yes campaign. All the evidence suggests that a shared currency without shared government doesn’t work. Monetary union requires a high degree of both fiscal and banking integration. Mr Salmond proposes the very reverse.
The reasons for this have been exhaustively explained elsewhere already, but bear brief repetition. Countries with their own currency shouldn’t logically ever run into fiscal difficulty. In a downturn, when spending rises and tax revenue falls, they can always print money to cover the shortfall. The printing press also gives them the wherewithal to bail out insolvent banks, and thereby prevent wider economic collapse. With a shared currency, these privileges are denied, if only because more solvent nations tend to refuse liability for insolvent ones.
Any monetary union with the rest of the UK is therefore certain to involve a high degree of continued fiscal and financial oversight by Westminster. Without such controls, monetary union would be unacceptable to the rest of the UK. But with such controls, it would be equally unacceptable to Mr Salmond. Independence would count for little if Westminster continued to dominate Scottish affairs. The Scots can have monetary union if they like, but they cannot also have Mr Salmond’s promise of welfare-max, otherwise known as socialism.
Three other alternatives exist – the hard peg of sterlingisation, the slightly softer peg of a currency board, or a completely free floating independent currency.
The last of these possibilities has been all but ruled out – and for fairly obvious reasons. Scotland has a lot of debt, both public and private. As home to the UK’s two largest banks, total debt is off the scale relative to GDP once financial liabilities are also taken into account. It would be impossible for the new currency to stand behind such mountainous foreign currency obligations. And if sterling debt was redenominated in the local currency, it would be tantamount to default, creating a massive financial and economic crisis.
Debt is what renders parallels with the “velvet separation” achieved by the Czech Republic and Slovakia back in the early Noughties largely invalid. The two new countries started out with a common currency – the Czech koruna – but concern about the potential liability to the Czech Republic caused the currency union to be dissolved a few years later. This was achieved with little mishap because the debts involved were still relatively insignificant.
With Scotland, it would be a different ball game, which is why we can expect both Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group to announce they are re-domiciling south of the border within hours of a Yes vote. Even if they thought it worth the risk of staying, the Bank of England would not. To forestall a run on the two banks, they would have to remain safely under the Bank of England’s wing.
This leaves sterlingisation or currency board arrangements similar to those operated by Hong Kong. The latter option, which demands foreign exchange reserves of at least the same size of the monetary base to work convincingly, would appear a non starter, at least in the short term. Where is Scotland going to get reserves of this order of magnitude from?
So sterlingisation it is – a perfectly acceptable solution, and actually a very good one if you believe in low taxes, a small state, and much smaller, low risk banking system. This, unfortunately, is not how independence is being sold. Denied the flexibility to borrow and print at will, Scotland would have to fund its spending through higher taxes, which would in time render the country uncompetitive and therefore unable to sustain its welfare promise.
The reasons for this have been exhaustively explained elsewhere already, but bear brief repetition. Countries with their own currency shouldn’t logically ever run into fiscal difficulty. In a downturn, when spending rises and tax revenue falls, they can always print money to cover the shortfall. The printing press also gives them the wherewithal to bail out insolvent banks, and thereby prevent wider economic collapse. With a shared currency, these privileges are denied, if only because more solvent nations tend to refuse liability for insolvent ones.
Any monetary union with the rest of the UK is therefore certain to involve a high degree of continued fiscal and financial oversight by Westminster. Without such controls, monetary union would be unacceptable to the rest of the UK. But with such controls, it would be equally unacceptable to Mr Salmond. Independence would count for little if Westminster continued to dominate Scottish affairs. The Scots can have monetary union if they like, but they cannot also have Mr Salmond’s promise of welfare-max, otherwise known as socialism.
Three other alternatives exist – the hard peg of sterlingisation, the slightly softer peg of a currency board, or a completely free floating independent currency.
The last of these possibilities has been all but ruled out – and for fairly obvious reasons. Scotland has a lot of debt, both public and private. As home to the UK’s two largest banks, total debt is off the scale relative to GDP once financial liabilities are also taken into account. It would be impossible for the new currency to stand behind such mountainous foreign currency obligations. And if sterling debt was redenominated in the local currency, it would be tantamount to default, creating a massive financial and economic crisis.
Debt is what renders parallels with the “velvet separation” achieved by the Czech Republic and Slovakia back in the early Noughties largely invalid. The two new countries started out with a common currency – the Czech koruna – but concern about the potential liability to the Czech Republic caused the currency union to be dissolved a few years later. This was achieved with little mishap because the debts involved were still relatively insignificant.
With Scotland, it would be a different ball game, which is why we can expect both Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group to announce they are re-domiciling south of the border within hours of a Yes vote. Even if they thought it worth the risk of staying, the Bank of England would not. To forestall a run on the two banks, they would have to remain safely under the Bank of England’s wing.
This leaves sterlingisation or currency board arrangements similar to those operated by Hong Kong. The latter option, which demands foreign exchange reserves of at least the same size of the monetary base to work convincingly, would appear a non starter, at least in the short term. Where is Scotland going to get reserves of this order of magnitude from?
So sterlingisation it is – a perfectly acceptable solution, and actually a very good one if you believe in low taxes, a small state, and much smaller, low risk banking system. This, unfortunately, is not how independence is being sold. Denied the flexibility to borrow and print at will, Scotland would have to fund its spending through higher taxes, which would in time render the country uncompetitive and therefore unable to sustain its welfare promise.
City analysts from Goldman Sachs and Berenberg, a German-based multinational bank, published reports concluding a Yes vote would force Scotland into deeper austerity, requiring a “significant reduction in the provision of public services” to gets its finances in order.
In a separate analysis, Iain McLean, professor of politics, predicted every Scot would be £480 worse off under independence now thanks to sharply declining oil revenues.
All three agreed that a separate Scotland would pay a higher interest rate on its borrowing, an additional cost that would be passed onto borrowers and mortgage holders.
In a separate analysis, Iain McLean, professor of politics, predicted every Scot would be £480 worse off under independence now thanks to sharply declining oil revenues.
All three agreed that a separate Scotland would pay a higher interest rate on its borrowing, an additional cost that would be passed onto borrowers and mortgage holders.
All hail King Alex the first
TBH, I don't blame ANYONE wanting not to be ruled by Westminster.
They don't REALLY give a sour toss about anyone but London, the home counties and the SE...except at election time.
I'd like to see Humberside and Yorkshire devolve next.
They don't REALLY give a sour toss about anyone but London, the home counties and the SE...except at election time.
I'd like to see Humberside and Yorkshire devolve next.
I work with loads of Scottish people, and I reckon the Yes vote amongst them is about 10% at best. It seems to be the younger, more inexperienced ones who want it. Anyone who has even slight appreciation of the chaos that could ensue are firm no voters.
Looking at your use of language and basic economic understanding, I'd say you are both
Good post Scoobywont.
Gordon Brown isn't helping out Cameron, he's desperately trying to keep the labour voting base that is the vast majority in Scotland. Cameron doesn't exactly have a big group of voters to try and please in Scotland, but the Labour Party will not be back in power in Westminster for decades if their Scottish voting base is removed
I seriously don't think Salmond wants it deep down either - he's like a little bloke at a fight saying "let me go, I'll batter them" until he's let go and then he realises it's all a terrible mistake. He's probably hoping the split doesn't go through but he's playing to the crowd by saying "let us go, let us go". He doesn't have a clue on how it's all going to work but then that shouldn't be a surprise to a lot of potential voters - see below joke that was sent to me by a Scottish friend.
Alex Salmond walks into a RBS branch to cash a cheque. As he approaches the cashier he says, "Good morning, Ma'am, could you please cash this cheque for me?"
Cashier:"It would be my pleasure sir. Could you please show me your ID?"
Salmond :"Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am Alex Salmond, the leader of the Scottish National Party and First Minister of Scotland !!!!"
Cashier:"Yes sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers and requirements of the legislation, etc., I must insist on seeing ID."
Salmond : Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am."
Cashier: "I am sorry, Mr. Salmond , but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."
Salmond :"C'mon lassie . I am urging you, please, to cash this cheque."
Cashier: "Look Mr. Salmond, here is an example of what we can do. One day, Tiger Woods came into the bank without ID. To prove he was Tiger Woods he pulled out his putter and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a cup. With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his cheque. Another time, Andre Agassi came in without ID. He pulled out his tennis racket and made a fabulous shot where the tennis ball landed in my cup. With that shot we cashed his cheque.
So, Mr. Salmond , what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you?
Salmond stands there thinking, and thinking, and finally says, "Honestly, my mind is a total blank...there is nothing that comes to my mind.............. I can't think of a single thing. I have absolutely no idea what to do and I don't have a clue."
Cashier: "Will that be large or small notes , Mr. Salmond ?
Gordon Brown isn't helping out Cameron, he's desperately trying to keep the labour voting base that is the vast majority in Scotland. Cameron doesn't exactly have a big group of voters to try and please in Scotland, but the Labour Party will not be back in power in Westminster for decades if their Scottish voting base is removed
I seriously don't think Salmond wants it deep down either - he's like a little bloke at a fight saying "let me go, I'll batter them" until he's let go and then he realises it's all a terrible mistake. He's probably hoping the split doesn't go through but he's playing to the crowd by saying "let us go, let us go". He doesn't have a clue on how it's all going to work but then that shouldn't be a surprise to a lot of potential voters - see below joke that was sent to me by a Scottish friend.
Alex Salmond walks into a RBS branch to cash a cheque. As he approaches the cashier he says, "Good morning, Ma'am, could you please cash this cheque for me?"
Cashier:"It would be my pleasure sir. Could you please show me your ID?"
Salmond :"Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am Alex Salmond, the leader of the Scottish National Party and First Minister of Scotland !!!!"
Cashier:"Yes sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers and requirements of the legislation, etc., I must insist on seeing ID."
Salmond : Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am."
Cashier: "I am sorry, Mr. Salmond , but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."
Salmond :"C'mon lassie . I am urging you, please, to cash this cheque."
Cashier: "Look Mr. Salmond, here is an example of what we can do. One day, Tiger Woods came into the bank without ID. To prove he was Tiger Woods he pulled out his putter and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a cup. With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his cheque. Another time, Andre Agassi came in without ID. He pulled out his tennis racket and made a fabulous shot where the tennis ball landed in my cup. With that shot we cashed his cheque.
So, Mr. Salmond , what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you?
Salmond stands there thinking, and thinking, and finally says, "Honestly, my mind is a total blank...there is nothing that comes to my mind.............. I can't think of a single thing. I have absolutely no idea what to do and I don't have a clue."
Cashier: "Will that be large or small notes , Mr. Salmond ?
You still banging on about this.
I think your the perfect example of the vocal minority and your going to lose the vote because of the way it's being force fed by the yes brigade.
I predict a win for the NO side with a big turnout of around 90% of which the yes voters will get about 30% odd and the no will be in the 60%+ region.
10 days to go and we will know jismo.
Have a nice day.

I think your the perfect example of the vocal minority and your going to lose the vote because of the way it's being force fed by the yes brigade.
I predict a win for the NO side with a big turnout of around 90% of which the yes voters will get about 30% odd and the no will be in the 60%+ region.
10 days to go and we will know jismo.

Have a nice day.
What, despite the fact that the 3 main parties have said no to a currency union, that it's still most likely true that there will be a currency union. Why then if it is likely to be true are the markets spooked?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...-the-lead.html
And why are they so spooked?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...austerity.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...-the-lead.html
And why are they so spooked?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...austerity.html
From your first link
"Uncertainty causes speculators to feel jittery and that translates into sterling weakness.”
No one is more guilty of driving that uncertainty than the negativity of the "no" campaign.
the No campaign are now offering Enhanced Devolution - and it is being championed by Gordon Brown, Ironic that Cameron suddenly needs Gordon Brown to dig him out of a whole
It just shows how much the No vote are running scared
But interestingly I heard on the news yesterday that Alex Salmond did offer to have a third choice on the ballot box - funnily enough called Enhanced Devolution but the arrogance and hubris of Westminster said no - it needs to be a simply binary in / out choice (presumably because the thought they would walk the No vote)
I think it is the above shiftyness and arrogance of Westminster that some Scots find so appalling
It just shows how much the No vote are running scared
But interestingly I heard on the news yesterday that Alex Salmond did offer to have a third choice on the ballot box - funnily enough called Enhanced Devolution but the arrogance and hubris of Westminster said no - it needs to be a simply binary in / out choice (presumably because the thought they would walk the No vote)
I think it is the above shiftyness and arrogance of Westminster that some Scots find so appalling
Will the conservatives win 296 seats in the next general election?
"Yes, Cameron would have had an outright majority at the last election but anlysis shows that most general election results would have been the same, albeit with changed majorities. In recent times, Margaret Thatcher's Conservatives would have enjoyed a massive 174-seat majority in 1983, bigger even than the 144-seat majority they achieved. In 1992, Tory John Major would have had a 71-seat majority, as opposed to the 21-seat majority which occurred. And, without Scotland, Tony Blair's Labour majority would have been cut from 179 to 137 seats in 1997, from 167 to 127 seats in 2001, and from 66 to 43 seats in 2005"
We've been through this too may times to be still discussing it Jon. Of course they will say that. And that's one of the reasons why the markets are spooked. Confirm a currency union on independence and we may well see some confidence return. Another example of better together and westminster shooting itself in the foot perhaps?
From your first link
"Uncertainty causes speculators to feel jittery and that translates into sterling weakness.”
No one is more guilty of driving that uncertainty than the negativity of the "no" campaign.
From your first link
"Uncertainty causes speculators to feel jittery and that translates into sterling weakness.”
No one is more guilty of driving that uncertainty than the negativity of the "no" campaign.
The uncertainty of Plan A and the lack of Plan B hit Scottish businesses yesterday because the financial markets have no idea what currency these businesses will be trading with. The only ones who are making provisions are the Scottish businesses that can afford to do so and relocate to rUK. But the overbearing uncertainty surrounding independence is the actual break up of the union and what will happen after independence, not just in terms of what currency iScotland will use, but the break up of assets, provisions of services, taxation, investment, revenue etc etc in both private and public sector with Plan B or not.
Have to say the No campaign is starting to get really undignified. All this "oooooh we'll give you more powers if you stay" strikes me as pandering to the Scottish and I'm sure most people will see it for what it is. Now we've also got Cameron/Miliband/Clegg jetting off up north to go and grovel as well.
Have to say the No campaign is starting to get really undignified. All this "oooooh we'll give you more powers if you stay" strikes me as pandering to the Scottish and I'm sure most people will see it for what it is. Now we've also got Cameron/Miliband/Clegg jetting off up north to go and grovel as well.
Cameron will forever be know as the PM that didn't take Scotland seriously until it was to late .. hopefully
His political CV is looking oh so wonderful
Have to say the No campaign is starting to get really undignified. All this "oooooh we'll give you more powers if you stay" strikes me as pandering to the Scottish and I'm sure most people will see it for what it is. Now we've also got Cameron/Miliband/Clegg jetting off up north to go and grovel as well.
It does have that feel doesn't it, like they all woke up this morning and thought '**** we better do something about that'. Especially seeing they've now dug out Gordon Brown from where ever on earth he was hiding.
Yeah but there are ways and means of doing things. Batting away the yes campaign as a passing inconvenience then running off to Scotland begging them to stay a week before the vote isn't one of them.
Its been evidenced that is most likely incorrect. There are only 59 Scottish seats against a total of 650. Taking out the Scottish seats would leave 591 in the rest of the uk.
Will the conservatives win 296 seats in the next general election?
"Yes, Cameron would have had an outright majority at the last election but anlysis shows that most general election results would have been the same, albeit with changed majorities. In recent times, Margaret Thatcher's Conservatives would have enjoyed a massive 174-seat majority in 1983, bigger even than the 144-seat majority they achieved. In 1992, Tory John Major would have had a 71-seat majority, as opposed to the 21-seat majority which occurred. And, without Scotland, Tony Blair's Labour majority would have been cut from 179 to 137 seats in 1997, from 167 to 127 seats in 2001, and from 66 to 43 seats in 2005"
Will the conservatives win 296 seats in the next general election?
"Yes, Cameron would have had an outright majority at the last election but anlysis shows that most general election results would have been the same, albeit with changed majorities. In recent times, Margaret Thatcher's Conservatives would have enjoyed a massive 174-seat majority in 1983, bigger even than the 144-seat majority they achieved. In 1992, Tory John Major would have had a 71-seat majority, as opposed to the 21-seat majority which occurred. And, without Scotland, Tony Blair's Labour majority would have been cut from 179 to 137 seats in 1997, from 167 to 127 seats in 2001, and from 66 to 43 seats in 2005"
I'm no Tory ( or politicians in general ) supporter, but Labour is not presenting a credible challenge to even this lot in power at the moment. As for Clegg's support base....








desperate to what, keep Scotland so we can be stronger together, whats wrong with that?