Scottish Independence
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straight from the yes campaign
you keep going on about £12bn like a one trick pony
It was westminster who got the UK into
not £1 million in debt
not £1 billion in debt
But £1 ******* TRILLION in national debt
Whats your answer to this Jonc !!!!!
scotland cant afford it can we ???? Westminster pulled the uk into a debt crisis thats your government that we are trying to escape from !!
it was mentioned that scottish MP's will be just as bad as english MP's
well I totally disagree !!
westminsters finest
privatization of public services gas electricity public transport royal mail
and soon to be NHS !!
If westminster was not so greedy and self serving
we would not have OAP's freazing to death accross the UK because they are too scared to turn the god damn heating on !!! you can thank Thatcher for that
Also NHS is going full blown privatized with westminster so expect it to be like the USA where when you come in injured they check you wallet before they check your damn pulse !
they also introduced the bedroom tax which targeted the poorest of the UK
while the MP's were claiming expenses on second houses and getting the working people of the UK to pick up the TAB !!
also have Nuclear weapons of mass destruction situated of scottish soil
near Scotland biggest population FFS
I notice this is nicely kept clear of English citys !!
and this is the outcome if there was a accident with the trident !
Also your westminster targets the disabled of the uk with benefit cuts
How low can westminster sink !
charge for people to educate themselfs which should be free to further educated the people of the UK
OUR FINE MP's
Free further education to educate and progress the people of scotland
Free prescriptions for all the scottish people
freeze on the council tax
A NHS that is going to be written into our constitution so it can never be privatized if a yes vote goes through !
Investing in childcare for people to go out and work
Once a yes vote goes through kick the trident off OUR SOIL !!
Scottish MP's fighting for whats best for scotland
tried to fight the bedroom tax right from the start
giving the elderly the care that they need
OH I know your MP's are totally different from ours !!!
Before you ask another question Jonc whats your say on all the above ???
You seem to think that after independence all that is bad about Westminster will not happen with a Scottish Government, that all these free public services will be provided for everyone without consideration as to how they will be funded and that iScottish MPs will are holier than thou. Well, you only need to scratch the very thin veneer of the glossy pro-yes campaign to see how many questions are left unanswered or how little substance there is to support the claims they make.
If you want answers from me, well you’re not asking the right questions; none of which you ask has anything to do with iScotland, but is just an opportunity to discredit the Westminster, and that is basically what makes up the majority of the Yes campaign. You need to be asking the right questions, but not to me but to the Yes campaigners! But sadly from your post above, I don't think you are interested in asking those questions. But if that is your view of the rest of the UK, well then maybe it is better that you do get your independence and sooner the better, you'd make an ideal campaign poster boy. I’m only here for the debate.
Thanks for reminding me why I wouldn't give most people on here the time of day, I'd almost forgotten. 
As for loosely related imagery, I'll explain. Seeing it's the only point in your rambling that's of interest. The map/details provided in that image relate to an airburst during a nuclear attack, now if an accident involving Trident resembles a nuclear attack then I'd hazard a guess Scotland has far bigger issues than independance.
As for loosely related imagery, I'll explain. Seeing it's the only point in your rambling that's of interest. The map/details provided in that image relate to an airburst during a nuclear attack, now if an accident involving Trident resembles a nuclear attack then I'd hazard a guess Scotland has far bigger issues than independance.
maybe you should read the full thing instead of picking and choosing what to reply on like ignoring all other points in that post from westminster policies to 1 trillion in debt
Thank you for reminding me why I will be more than happy be separated from the ignorants like you
The £12bn in deficit is the bare facts, no political spin, no manipulation, just the bare facts and figures published by the Scottish Government. Plastering your post with lots of attention grabbing campaign posters of pro-yes publications hardly represents a balanced view, most of which is just simply political spin to support the pro-yes campaign but with nothing to back up the claims made. For example, are you able to explain 70p for every pound poster and how that figure was derived or do you just accept it because they say it is so?
You seem to think that after independence all that is bad about Westminster will not happen with a Scottish Government, that all these free public services will be provided for everyone without consideration as to how they will be funded and that iScottish MPs will are holier than thou. Well, you only need to scratch the very thin veneer of the glossy pro-yes campaign to see how many questions are left unanswered or how little substance there is to support the claims they make.
If you want answers from me, well you’re not asking the right questions; none of which you ask has anything to do with iScotland, but is just an opportunity to discredit the Westminster, and that is basically what makes up the majority of the Yes campaign. You need to be asking the right questions, but not to me but to the Yes campaigners! But sadly from your post above, I don't think you are interested in asking those questions. But if that is your view of the rest of the UK, well then maybe it is better that you do get your independence and sooner the better, you'd make an ideal campaign poster boy. I’m only here for the debate.
You seem to think that after independence all that is bad about Westminster will not happen with a Scottish Government, that all these free public services will be provided for everyone without consideration as to how they will be funded and that iScottish MPs will are holier than thou. Well, you only need to scratch the very thin veneer of the glossy pro-yes campaign to see how many questions are left unanswered or how little substance there is to support the claims they make.
If you want answers from me, well you’re not asking the right questions; none of which you ask has anything to do with iScotland, but is just an opportunity to discredit the Westminster, and that is basically what makes up the majority of the Yes campaign. You need to be asking the right questions, but not to me but to the Yes campaigners! But sadly from your post above, I don't think you are interested in asking those questions. But if that is your view of the rest of the UK, well then maybe it is better that you do get your independence and sooner the better, you'd make an ideal campaign poster boy. I’m only here for the debate.
well why are the financial times printing things like this
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5b5ec2ca-8...de.html#slide0
but lets say that the 12 billion is correct which I dont believe by the way
it would take scotland 76 year to catch up on rUK's national debt
here it is simple 1 trillion national debt minus scotlands 8.3% share which is 83 billion
leaving rUK with 917 billion pounds national debt which divided by the 12 billion you say would take us 76 years to get into the state you will be in after the vote if the yes goes through
so we would be off to a better debt count straight from the start.
but thats only if we get access to the bank of england as this debt falls squarely on their shoulders and no access to the B O E means we wont take that share of the debt which lets face it wont happen
yea the debate,,,, you mean mainly english people saying why scotland cant make it to a far less members who are actually scottish and believe in them self's and our country
and dont throw your toys out of the pram Jonc when you cant answer my questions to you
If you cant handle it just say norman its getting a bit much mate and I will go easy on you as I aint a bad guy
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LOL dunc that is pretty funny
could of sworn you would of been a yes vote but I respect your decision any way you vote it
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another one for you JONC !!
here is what the financial times had to say about scotlands future
http://betteroffday1.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5b5ec2ca-8...de.html#slide0
and here is a little quote for you from the financial times
here is what the financial times had to say about scotlands future
http://betteroffday1.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5b5ec2ca-8...de.html#slide0
and here is a little quote for you from the financial times
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So you're jumping on a quote made by Cameron back in 2007 as a vindication of your view on independence. Well a lot has happened since then!! Also it doesn't take into account for the lack of a currency union. Beside how come you now trust what Cameron says, he's a lying Westminster politician right? Also how do those figures stack up after Scotland separates from it's biggest export market?
Not jumping on a 2007 Cameron qoute
But I am quoting what the financial times had to say about scotland in FEBRUARY 2014
And how come you keep asking questions that I alway try to answer but
when I ask questions you simply ignore them and ask your same questions
answer the points I have put across to you in post #677 if you can that is which I suspect you cant
C,mon Jonc instead of asking the same questions like a
answer my points from post #677 for crying out loud !!!
Go on try to tell me what I posted is incorrect I dare you because you have NAY Chance LOL
answer my points from post #677 for crying out loud !!!
Go on try to tell me what I posted is incorrect I dare you because you have NAY Chance LOL
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cant use euro either since europe have said they will have to reapply?
He also hasnt said how he will get scotland into europe as an independant country.
none of what you put asnwered those lol
so why is all of that press crap you just put up in pounds? Scotland wont be using pounds if they go independant so what currency will they use?
cant use euro either since europe have said they will have to reapply?
He also hasnt said how he will get scotland into europe as an independant country.
none of what you put asnwered those lol
cant use euro either since europe have said they will have to reapply?
He also hasnt said how he will get scotland into europe as an independant country.
none of what you put asnwered those lol
We will be using the sterling pound !!
this has been said so many times and salmond even got Alistair Darling to admit this during the last televised debate if you cared to watch it before you go on saying things that you obviously dont understand.
and as for access to the bank of england WE WILL HAVE THAT TOO !!
because the national debt is is totally on the bank of englands head
and if they dont grant us access then we dont pay the 8.3% share of the debt which bellongs to the bank of england
In short you are screwed we will have the pound and access to the bank of england and there is nothing westminster can do about it unless they want us to walk away from the 83 billion pounds of debt we are happy to pay
to be honest I dont want into the European union either
HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE REPEATED
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And this is a bad thing because? Norway or Denmark are not in the EU I don't see them screaming and kicking throwing tantrums because they are not.
Even if we did want in we have more nto offer and more natural resources than most of the shyte hole Eastern European countries they have let in so far, I don't think it would be a problem.
just to throw some salt in the wound from as jonc describes me the poster child of the attention grabbing yes campaign LOL
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So Scotland got to where it is today despite being part of the uk and not because it is part of the uk?
Well I am sorry we've been holding you back for so long, good luck.
Plus the 70p that you get from Westminster for every pound in post 677 . It says " for services ", well is that not a play on words and in fact yes you do get 70p for services but then a further x amount of pence for other things.
Further more from my experience getting free subscriptions means you loose somewhere else. For example in Shrewsbury hospital where I was for some time people would cross over from Wales to receive care that they couldn't get in there own country, small things like vacuum dressings but still very important.
Well I am sorry we've been holding you back for so long, good luck.
Plus the 70p that you get from Westminster for every pound in post 677 . It says " for services ", well is that not a play on words and in fact yes you do get 70p for services but then a further x amount of pence for other things.
Further more from my experience getting free subscriptions means you loose somewhere else. For example in Shrewsbury hospital where I was for some time people would cross over from Wales to receive care that they couldn't get in there own country, small things like vacuum dressings but still very important.
I hope Scotland does get independence as its going to throw some **** into the mix on how both side of the border will recover from the recession, and I hope to **** that they don't give them the pound as the Scottish pound isn't worth **** all now when used abroad and its guaranteed by the BOE
Further more from my experience getting free subscriptions means you loose somewhere else. For example in Shrewsbury hospital where I was for some time people would cross over from Wales to receive care that they couldn't get in there own country, small things like vacuum dressings but still very important.
more so when your westminster MP's are flogging you down the river trying to privatize your NHS
when scottish MP's are fighting to keep ours
here is protests in london against NHS privatization a few days ago !
EDIT - oh yes and forgot to mention the BBC was demanded by westminster not to cover this story !
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I hope Scotland does get independence as its going to throw some **** into the mix on how both side of the border will recover from the recession, and I hope to **** that they don't give them the pound as the Scottish pound isn't worth **** all now when used abroad and its guaranteed by the BOE
which we will still have access to after the vote goes through
I had a quick look for population on both England and Scotland
Scotland 5.25 million people
England 53.01 million people
Considering both a similar unemployment rate I would presume to maintain good health care and public services would be much harder with less people paying into the pot so it has to mean either less services or more money from each individual. Also what will then happen if imigrants sneak across the border
Scotland 5.25 million people
England 53.01 million people
Considering both a similar unemployment rate I would presume to maintain good health care and public services would be much harder with less people paying into the pot so it has to mean either less services or more money from each individual. Also what will then happen if imigrants sneak across the border
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Why do the YES campaign even want to keep the Pound? I thought you wanted independence? Do you really want your borrowing, spending and interest rates set by another country? Or is this just the 'cake and eat it' type of independence, where you get rid of Westminster but expect the UK to under right the Scottish economy?
It's appears to be an odd sort of Independence you're after!
I had a quick look for population on both England and Scotland
Scotland 5.25 million people
England 53.01 million people
Considering both a similar unemployment rate I would presume to maintain good health care and public services would be much harder with less people paying into the pot so it has to mean either less services or more money from each individual. Also what will then happen if imigrants sneak across the border
Scotland 5.25 million people
England 53.01 million people
Considering both a similar unemployment rate I would presume to maintain good health care and public services would be much harder with less people paying into the pot so it has to mean either less services or more money from each individual. Also what will then happen if imigrants sneak across the border
similar unemployment rate means the less population has the smaller unemployed.
less people mean less money needed for those services bud
I also looked and the square miles of both countries and Scotland is 30,000 square miles and England is 94,000 square miles so maintain public services over that area is going to cost a lot more than the people are putting into the pot?
I think that this is a bit mischievous, Darling was responding to a question on whether Scotland could use the pound or not. I'm pretty sure that's never really been in question. Obviously Scotland use whatever foreign currency it likes. The big debate is on currency union, and that far less certain.
Why do the YES campaign even want to keep the Pound? I thought you wanted independence? Do you really want your borrowing, spending and interest rates set by another country? Or is this just the 'cake and eat it' type of independence, where you get rid of Westminster but expect the UK to under right the Scottish economy?
It's appears to be an odd sort of Independence you're after!
Why do the YES campaign even want to keep the Pound? I thought you wanted independence? Do you really want your borrowing, spending and interest rates set by another country? Or is this just the 'cake and eat it' type of independence, where you get rid of Westminster but expect the UK to under right the Scottish economy?
It's appears to be an odd sort of Independence you're after!
Why you ask because it our pound as well !
we take a share of the bank of england but we also share things like the oil revenue with you as well amongst other things so its not just us taking westminster receives things as well
No pun intented but you dont have a scooby (the southerners will understand) I'll spell it out. Just say you need specialist treatment thats not available in scotland, for example a child needs a peadetrician (spelling) and theres a specialist at Alderhay or Great Ormand street that can help, the patients gets the help because its a NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE
Back ecconomics, do you think that a theres enough tax income in Scotland to maintain the National health service you already have?
Back ecconomics, do you think that a theres enough tax income in Scotland to maintain the National health service you already have?
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darling had denied use of the pound like a savage dog then admitted we can use it which goes to show darling " camerons hand puppet " was lying right from the start.
Why you ask because it our pound as well !
we take a share of the bank of england but we also share things like the oil revenue with you as well amongst other things so its not just us taking westminster receives things as well
Why you ask because it our pound as well !
we take a share of the bank of england but we also share things like the oil revenue with you as well amongst other things so its not just us taking westminster receives things as well
The pound in the currency of the UK, you want to leave the UK. Go figure
You have lira, franc, deutchemark what ever you want but the U.K thats scotland included wanted to keep it. Now you want to opt out of the U.K and keep the pound. Cant have your cake and eat it bro.
Even if you buy on ebay no one want to deliver to Scottish highlands without a hefty premium so how are they going to supply basic services at the same rate as everyone else?
A densely populated area obviously has more cash going into it than err Scotland
No pun intented but you dont have a scooby (the southerners will understand) I'll spell it out. Just say you need specialist treatment thats not available in scotland, for example a child needs a peadetrician (spelling) and theres a specialist at Alderhay or Great Ormand street that can help, the patients gets the help because its a NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE
Back ecconomics, do you think that a theres enough tax income in Scotland to maintain the National health service you already have?
Back ecconomics, do you think that a theres enough tax income in Scotland to maintain the National health service you already have?
yes I do and have stated this on this very thread
and yes I do have a scooby PMSL
here it is for that matter LOL
LOL know what you meant before you say as I am joking FFS
also I notice you say about the services on the NHS but you dont mention the effects of your NHS after english Privatization