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07 September 2014, 01:44 AM
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I know what you mean it is going to be tough if a yes is decided
and separating after all this time is going to be heart wrenching
but things need to change in order to move forward.
we will still be right next to you we wont sail away
I am certain that if a yes vote is decided then hollyrood and westminster will start to work together after the vote as we do need eachother
07 September 2014, 01:49 AM
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Well the latest poll should be music to your ears then, the latest poll I've just seen has Yes 51% no 49% (excluding the undecided's apparently).
You should be getting excited.
Even though I'm apparently a 'mong' I can still be civil and genuinely interested and excited about this issue
You should be getting excited.
Even though I'm apparently a 'mong' I can still be civil and genuinely interested and excited about this issue
Nothing to back this up but something I saw late night and was not paying as much attention as I could of had.
07 September 2014, 01:49 AM
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Unless of course you want your economy, culture and technology to stay stuck frozen in a 2014 timewarp from this point on in history, in which case, good luck to you come 200 years from now when the rest of the world has moved on almost beyond recognition, and your little independent country is looking like it's still in the stone-age by comparison.
07 September 2014, 01:56 AM
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a majority yes vote which it was at the time we didn't get independence then.
not sure if they could get away with it in todays times but its something I would seriously like to know
07 September 2014, 02:02 AM
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If you honestly believe independence can do anything about this, you really are barking mad. For one thing, the purpose of any government isn't solely to 'solve' an entire country's problems, it's in large part simply to manage those parts of the economy and infrastructure that fall under its control and keep them going, and to maintain basic law and order. So far as its job does consist of solving problems is concerned though, you seem to have overlooked the fact that whether you're talking about Westminster or pretty much any government in any country around the world, the problems that need solving don't just stand still for decades on end, they're almost constantly changing, and they won't suddenly stop changing if you get independence.
Unless of course you want your economy, culture and technology to stay stuck frozen in a 2014 timewarp from this point on in history, in which case, good luck to you come 200 years from now when the rest of the world has moved on almost beyond recognition, and your little independent country is looking like it's still in the stone-age by comparison.
Unless of course you want your economy, culture and technology to stay stuck frozen in a 2014 timewarp from this point on in history, in which case, good luck to you come 200 years from now when the rest of the world has moved on almost beyond recognition, and your little independent country is looking like it's still in the stone-age by comparison.
I didnt say once that it was the governments sole purpose was to solve the country's problems but they are responsible for their policys on them
and after decades of westminster rule what have we got ?
1 trillion of debt, expense fiddlers on both sides of the border
Uk assets sold off to the highest bidders
wars that we should never of been in
people being drowned in poverty
NHS under threat
corporations paying virtually no tax
bedroom tax
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07 September 2014, 05:57 AM
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07 September 2014, 08:59 AM
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I didnt say once that it was the governments sole purpose was to solve the country's problems but they are responsible for their policys on them
and after decades of westminster rule what have we got ?
1 trillion of debt, expense fiddlers on both sides of the border
Uk assets sold off to the highest bidders
wars that we should never of been in
people being drowned in poverty
NHS under threat
corporations paying virtually no tax
bedroom tax
and after decades of westminster rule what have we got ?
1 trillion of debt, expense fiddlers on both sides of the border
Uk assets sold off to the highest bidders
wars that we should never of been in
people being drowned in poverty
NHS under threat
corporations paying virtually no tax
bedroom tax
07 September 2014, 10:24 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9716639.html
Nice of Milliband to fan the flames.
Not sure which is funnier, Millibands comment or the reply from the bloke from the Yes campaign who says there will be no border posts (he seemingly forgets that it would be a border between 2 countries).
This all really needs to get over and done with sharpish, then we can get back o business. Be it as independent countries or continuing as is because the debates really starting to get old.
Nice of Milliband to fan the flames.
Not sure which is funnier, Millibands comment or the reply from the bloke from the Yes campaign who says there will be no border posts (he seemingly forgets that it would be a border between 2 countries). This all really needs to get over and done with sharpish, then we can get back o business. Be it as independent countries or continuing as is because the debates really starting to get old.
07 September 2014, 08:28 PM
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if england wants rid of scotland why are they now about to try to and bribe scotland with radical new deal to try and get us to vote no
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rt-of-comments
Alex salmond found a document from 30 march 1977 written by Edmund Dell a labour party politician which was made public under the 30-year rule.
Where westminster was informed that scotland would be a very wealthy
independent country and as a result we were lied to from westminster
about our resources in order for westminster to keep them.
we have been made to live the lie that we were and are subsidy junkies and jocks cap in hand in order to suppress the truth that we would thrive
with independence so westminster could keep power over our resources,
Just like the crap they are spouting now about limited oil and gas to try and scare us into thinking we cant manage on our own LOL
massive oil find on the clair ridge and that was tried by Cameron to hide until after the independence vote
http://scot-land.blogspot.co.uk/2008...scotlands.html
bp kind of let the cat out of the bag ha ha
this is some of the reasons why I dont believe the 12 billion deficit Jonc
and the fact that westminster influences a big majority of the media in their favor into trying to make it seem we dont have what it takes financialy to go independent.
here is a ex westminster UK ambassador on his experiences with how westminster operate and why a yes vote is essential
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07 September 2014, 08:38 PM
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Lol, I think you took my comment far too seriously..... Couldn't really give a monkies, Scotland couldn't do it without us anyway, you'll be back wearing woad and fur in no time!
I actually want Scotland to have independence to be honest, cuts our bills when we don't have to carry a spare wheel! Also makes me laugh because once the mod leave faslane etc unemployment is going to rocket, when you need new passports and driving lisences etc and a security force, it will all have to be paid for some how, and haggis and whisky ain't gonna do it
I actually want Scotland to have independence to be honest, cuts our bills when we don't have to carry a spare wheel! Also makes me laugh because once the mod leave faslane etc unemployment is going to rocket, when you need new passports and driving lisences etc and a security force, it will all have to be paid for some how, and haggis and whisky ain't gonna do it
LOL yea the Romans were right when they decided to leave you as well
if england wants rid of scotland why are they now about to try to and bribe scotland with radical new deal to try and get us to vote no
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rt-of-comments
Alex salmond found a document from 30 march 1977 written by Edmund Dell a labour party politician which was made public under the 30-year rule.
Where westminster was informed that scotland would be a very wealthy
independent country and as a result we were lied to from westminster
about our resources in order for westminster to keep them.
we have been made to live the lie that we were and are subsidy junkies and jocks cap in hand in order to suppress the truth that we would thrive
with independence so westminster could keep power over our resources,
Just like the crap they are spouting now about limited oil and gas to try and scare us into thinking we cant manage on our own LOL
massive oil find on the clair ridge and that was tried by Cameron to hide until after the independence vote
http://scot-land.blogspot.co.uk/2008...scotlands.html
this is some of the reasons why I dont believe the 12 billion deficit Jonc
and the fact that westminster influences a big majority of the media in their favor into trying to make it seem we dont have what it takes financialy to go independent.
here is a ex westminster UK ambassador on his experiences with how westminster operate
if england wants rid of scotland why are they now about to try to and bribe scotland with radical new deal to try and get us to vote no
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rt-of-comments
Alex salmond found a document from 30 march 1977 written by Edmund Dell a labour party politician which was made public under the 30-year rule.
Where westminster was informed that scotland would be a very wealthy
independent country and as a result we were lied to from westminster
about our resources in order for westminster to keep them.
we have been made to live the lie that we were and are subsidy junkies and jocks cap in hand in order to suppress the truth that we would thrive
with independence so westminster could keep power over our resources,
Just like the crap they are spouting now about limited oil and gas to try and scare us into thinking we cant manage on our own LOL
massive oil find on the clair ridge and that was tried by Cameron to hide until after the independence vote
http://scot-land.blogspot.co.uk/2008...scotlands.html
this is some of the reasons why I dont believe the 12 billion deficit Jonc
and the fact that westminster influences a big majority of the media in their favor into trying to make it seem we dont have what it takes financialy to go independent.
here is a ex westminster UK ambassador on his experiences with how westminster operate
07 September 2014, 08:45 PM
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Lol, I think you took my comment far too seriously..... Couldn't really give a monkies, Scotland couldn't do it without us anyway, you'll be back wearing woad and fur in no time!
I actually want Scotland to have independence to be honest, cuts our bills when we don't have to carry a spare wheel! Also makes me laugh because once the mod leave faslane etc unemployment is going to rocket, when you need new passports and driving lisences etc and a security force, it will all have to be paid for some how, and haggis and whisky ain't gonna do it
I actually want Scotland to have independence to be honest, cuts our bills when we don't have to carry a spare wheel! Also makes me laugh because once the mod leave faslane etc unemployment is going to rocket, when you need new passports and driving lisences etc and a security force, it will all have to be paid for some how, and haggis and whisky ain't gonna do it
If this indeed the case why is cameron about to try to offer us a radical new deal to vote no then
He wouldnt be offering anything if we were a burden on the UK
Also the welsh and northern Irish are behind us as well LOL
wont be long until they are trying to separate from england as well
after scotland is leading the way
then what is england going to do when the other three parts of the UK are not there to leach from.
LOL england is a parasite living off the rest of the UK
07 September 2014, 08:51 PM
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Mmmm seriously
I actually dont mind most of the english people but
if I had nothing to blame westminster for then I would vote no
but thats not the case tho so gonna vote yes
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07 September 2014, 09:54 PM
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In all honesty, the only English or Welsh who mention this independence lark, are the one's who would also vote for Scotland to **** off. The rest of us don't seem too bothered. In my experience of course.
07 September 2014, 10:04 PM
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I think that Scotland will be ok, but not for a while. I think the first few years will be very painful indeed, maybe even a decade or two, whereas rUK won't see much difference, IMO.
07 September 2014, 10:24 PM
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All these points you raise don't have anything to do with policies affecting iScotland though. They're rUK's issues since none of what you highlight will occur in iScotland. Sure they will help you make a decision to vote Yes and that is all that it amounts to. Your constant attack of Westminster is not really adding anything to the debate as to what is going to happen in an independent Scotland. How about looking at how iScotland is going to fund all the public services, what policies iScotland will have in running itself. You call me a one trick pony, but the only thing we see from you is a constant whinge about Westminster's policies that will not exist in iScotland. Why don't you concentrate on the policies that will affect iScotland instead?
(http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888)
in your link it has this to say
In 2012-13, Scotland’s estimated net fiscal balance was a deficit of £17.6 billion (14.0% of GDP) when excluding North Sea revenue, a deficit of £17.1 billion (13.3% of GDP) when including a per capita share of North Sea revenue or a deficit of £12.1 billion (8.3% of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included.
and after the per capita share of north sea revenue of £5 billion
we have a deficit of £12.1 billion
the per capita share is only a share of the north sea revenues is it !
If we get independence it wont be a share we will have of the north see oil will it we will have the vast majority of the revenues wont we.
of which westminster will have a 8.3% share of the revenue leaving the other 91.7% of revenues to scotland
this is taken from the BBC news scotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266
showing that in scotland 2012 " roughly same time as the statics you posted in your link " oil revinues were £27 billion
so lets re calculate your 12 billion deficit shall we
£27 billion minus westminsters 8.3% of £2.24 billion
leaving a independent scotland with £24.76 billion revenue from the north sea
£17.1 billion deficit plus £24.76 billion north sea oil revenue = No deficit what so ever but £7.66 billion in the positive
LOL jonc this is probably why the financial times said scotland will be better off from day one and how we will fund iscotland
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07 September 2014, 10:40 PM
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LOL yea the Romans were right when they decided to leave you as well
if england wants rid of scotland why are they now about to try to and bribe scotland with radical new deal to try and get us to vote no
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rt-of-comments
Alex salmond found a document from 30 march 1977 written by Edmund Dell a labour party politician which was made public under the 30-year rule.
Where westminster was informed that scotland would be a very wealthy
independent country and as a result we were lied to from westminster
about our resources in order for westminster to keep them.
we have been made to live the lie that we were and are subsidy junkies and jocks cap in hand in order to suppress the truth that we would thrive
with independence so westminster could keep power over our resources,
Just like the crap they are spouting now about limited oil and gas to try and scare us into thinking we cant manage on our own LOL
massive oil find on the clair ridge and that was tried by Cameron to hide until after the independence vote
http://scot-land.blogspot.co.uk/2008...scotlands.html
bp kind of let the cat out of the bag ha ha
Low salinity water brings award for BP - YouTube
this is some of the reasons why I dont believe the 12 billion deficit Jonc
and the fact that westminster influences a big majority of the media in their favor into trying to make it seem we dont have what it takes financialy to go independent.
here is a ex westminster UK ambassador on his experiences with how westminster operate and why a yes vote is essential
Craig Murray Buchanan Theatre - YouTube
if england wants rid of scotland why are they now about to try to and bribe scotland with radical new deal to try and get us to vote no
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...rt-of-comments
Alex salmond found a document from 30 march 1977 written by Edmund Dell a labour party politician which was made public under the 30-year rule.
Where westminster was informed that scotland would be a very wealthy
independent country and as a result we were lied to from westminster
about our resources in order for westminster to keep them.
we have been made to live the lie that we were and are subsidy junkies and jocks cap in hand in order to suppress the truth that we would thrive
with independence so westminster could keep power over our resources,
Just like the crap they are spouting now about limited oil and gas to try and scare us into thinking we cant manage on our own LOL
massive oil find on the clair ridge and that was tried by Cameron to hide until after the independence vote
http://scot-land.blogspot.co.uk/2008...scotlands.html
bp kind of let the cat out of the bag ha ha
Low salinity water brings award for BP - YouTube
this is some of the reasons why I dont believe the 12 billion deficit Jonc
and the fact that westminster influences a big majority of the media in their favor into trying to make it seem we dont have what it takes financialy to go independent.
here is a ex westminster UK ambassador on his experiences with how westminster operate and why a yes vote is essential
Craig Murray Buchanan Theatre - YouTube
Why is Alex Salmond digging around for Westminster dirt, granted they wouldn't have to dig that deep, but you'd be better served if he concentrated on a Plan B since it is highly unlikely that Plan A is viable.
Also let's remember it is not Scotland's oil, it is BP's, Total, Shell etc. Scotland will only see the tax revenue, of which it generated £6bn for last year.
How much tax revenue will these new finds generate for Scotland? Do you have an estimate? Will it generate three times as much as last years to cancel the £12bn deficit in public spending? Forget what Westminster says about output, what does OPEC say?
Incidentally, the £12bn deficit is not my figure, they're the Scottish Government's figure, in essence the SNP and Alex Salmond, so actually it is them you don't believe!!
07 September 2014, 10:46 PM
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Since you hold this link as gospel on how we have a 12 billion deficit
(http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888)
in your link it has this to say
right so the deficit is £17.1 billion before north sea oil revenue
and after the per capita share of north sea revenue of £5 billion
we have a deficit of £12.1 billion
the per capita share is only a share of the north sea revenues is it !
If we get independence it wont be a share we will have of the north see oil will it we will have the vast majority of the revenues wont we.
of which westminster will have a 8.3% share of the revenue leaving the other 91.7% of revenues to scotland
this is taken from the BBC news scotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266
showing that in scotland 2012 " roughly same time as the statics you posted in your link " oil revinues were £27 billion
so lets re calculate your 12 billion deficit shall we
£27 billion minus westminsters 8.3% of £2.24 billion
leaving a independent scotland with £24.76 billion revenue from the north sea
£17.1 billion deficit plus £24.76 billion north sea oil revenue = No deficit what so ever but £7.66 billion in the positive
LOL jonc this is probably why the financial times said scotland will be better off from day one and how we will fund iscotland
(http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888)
in your link it has this to say
right so the deficit is £17.1 billion before north sea oil revenue
and after the per capita share of north sea revenue of £5 billion
we have a deficit of £12.1 billion
the per capita share is only a share of the north sea revenues is it !
If we get independence it wont be a share we will have of the north see oil will it we will have the vast majority of the revenues wont we.
of which westminster will have a 8.3% share of the revenue leaving the other 91.7% of revenues to scotland
this is taken from the BBC news scotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266
showing that in scotland 2012 " roughly same time as the statics you posted in your link " oil revinues were £27 billion
so lets re calculate your 12 billion deficit shall we
£27 billion minus westminsters 8.3% of £2.24 billion
leaving a independent scotland with £24.76 billion revenue from the north sea
£17.1 billion deficit plus £24.76 billion north sea oil revenue = No deficit what so ever but £7.66 billion in the positive
LOL jonc this is probably why the financial times said scotland will be better off from day one and how we will fund iscotland
Maybe that is the formula that John Swinney and Alex Salmond are using to calculate the cost of Scotland's finances. "North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion."
"total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion"
It really is that simple!
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07 September 2014, 11:00 PM
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Sorry but your maths just don't add up, you are using the wrong figures to concoct something that doesn't actually exist.
"North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion."
"total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion"
It really is that simple!
"North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion."
"total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion"
It really is that simple!
you really cant work this out can you that £53.1 billion only includes £5 billion of north sea revenue which it wont be after Iscotland as it wont be a per capita share anymore will it
so without the 5 billion per capita share it will £48.1 billion minus north sea revenues will it
then the Iscotland 91.7% share which is £24.76 billion north sea oil revenue ontop of the £48.1 billion revenue
giving a grand total in scotlands revenue to be
£72.86 billion
so £72.86 billion revenue minus the £65.2 billion expenditure giving the positive money figure of surprise surprise of
£7.66 billion in the positive
which was funny enough the same figure I calculated in a different way but came to the same figure now wasnt it,
my numbers are correct so maybe take a minute and do some proper maths your self !!! LOL'ATRONIC
so if we were Independent in 2012 scotland would of been £7.66 billion better off now wouldnt it LOL
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07 September 2014, 11:11 PM
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Sorry but your maths just don't add up, you are using the wrong figures to concoct something that doesn't actually exist. You're using total figures for 2007-2012 with figures just for 2013! Maybe that is the formula that John Swinney and Alex Salmond are using to calculate the cost of Scotland's finances.
your link to scotlands financials were 2012/2013
and my links figures revenue were 2011/2012 as very clearly stated in the picture right under the 27 billion figure
very close indeed in terms of timescale as around 2012
couldn't find 2013's figures but if I do find them I will use them
but is this your best argument I just prove you wrong on a 12 billion pound deficit
and this is the best you have to offer
You are sooo full of it
and cant grasp how your little poor neighbor would be able to afford going it alone PMSL
yea right you will be the ones that have massive deficits and spending cuts LOL
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07 September 2014, 11:35 PM
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PMSL I notice jonc logs off after my come back above LOL
OK lets prove your 12 billion figures wrong another way shall we jonc
do you agree in the proof of your own link that the figures shown that
the 5 billion northsea oil revenue is a per capita share I high lighted it above as well just so its clear
and this is for a scotland in the uk
do you agree that if Independence goes through that it will not be a per capita share any more as independent scotland will have a 97.3% control over the oil revinue while westminster will have the 8.3% share
and just so you know this has already been agreed by salmond and cameron in the case of independence as westminster will have a 8.3% share of our resources and we will have the same with yours and also pay the 8.3% of the national debt which also has been stated by salmond !
meaning that deficit wont have a per capita share of oil revenues any more and will have a 97.3% share of the oil revenues will it
and judging by the 2011/2012 oil revenues there is no doubt that the 12 billion deficit will be put into a positive money amount
OK lets prove your 12 billion figures wrong another way shall we jonc
In 2012-13, Scotland’s estimated net fiscal balance was a deficit of £17.6 billion (14.0% of GDP) when excluding North Sea revenue, a deficit of £17.1 billion (13.3% of GDP) when including a per capita share of North Sea revenue or a deficit of £12.1 billion (8.3% of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included.
the 5 billion northsea oil revenue is a per capita share I high lighted it above as well just so its clear
and this is for a scotland in the uk
do you agree that if Independence goes through that it will not be a per capita share any more as independent scotland will have a 97.3% control over the oil revinue while westminster will have the 8.3% share
and just so you know this has already been agreed by salmond and cameron in the case of independence as westminster will have a 8.3% share of our resources and we will have the same with yours and also pay the 8.3% of the national debt which also has been stated by salmond !
meaning that deficit wont have a per capita share of oil revenues any more and will have a 97.3% share of the oil revenues will it
and judging by the 2011/2012 oil revenues there is no doubt that the 12 billion deficit will be put into a positive money amount
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07 September 2014, 11:43 PM
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Have a read and digest, pay particular attention to table T11.11 for Government revenues from UK oil and gas production. Your knowledge is with oil, I'd stick with what you know instead of showing yourself up trying to interpret facts and figures.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._June_2014.pdf
For your information, the £27bn figure you pasted from the BBC is not tax revenue from oil.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._June_2014.pdf
For your information, the £27bn figure you pasted from the BBC is not tax revenue from oil.
07 September 2014, 11:57 PM
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Have a read and digest, pay particular attention to table T11.11 for Government revenues from UK oil and gas production. Your knowledge is with oil, I'd stick with what you know instead of showing yourself up trying to interpret facts and figures.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._June_2014.pdf
For your information, the £27bn figure you pasted from the BBC is not tax revenue from oil.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._June_2014.pdf
For your information, the £27bn figure you pasted from the BBC is not tax revenue from oil.
27 billion is not tax revenue thank you for pointing that out.
and from the T11.11 I notice that its straight from the HMRC AKA westminster
who have in the past already used dirty tactics to lie to scotland about oil amounts proven by alex salmond with the documents he had found
I notice it says decline right about the time the scottish independence vote was agreed between cameron and salmond
and no mention of the clair ridge with 640 million recoverable barrels which has not started production of oil yet is there
but can you admit you are wrong on this which I posted earlier ?
In 2012-13, Scotland’s estimated net fiscal balance was a deficit of £17.6 billion (14.0% of GDP) when excluding North Sea revenue, a deficit of £17.1 billion (13.3% of GDP) when including a per capita share of North Sea revenue or a deficit of £12.1 billion (8.3% of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included.
the 5 billion northsea oil revenue is a per capita share I high lighted it above as well just so its clear
and this is for a scotland in the uk
do you agree that if Independence goes through that it will not be a per capita share any more as independent scotland will have a 97.3% control over the oil revinue while westminster will have the 8.3% share
and just so you know this has already been agreed by salmond and cameron in the case of independence as westminster will have a 8.3% share of our resources and we will have the same with yours and also pay the 8.3% of the national debt which also has been stated by salmond !
meaning that deficit wont have a per capita share of oil revenues any more and will have a 97.3% share of the oil revenues will it
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08 September 2014, 12:17 AM
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OK, one more time and that's it from me on this! It helps if you use the right figures!
Revenue without oil £47.6 billion, with oil £53.1 billion, expenditure £65.2 billion. If you don't accept if, well then that is not my problem.
In 2012-13, total Scottish non-North Sea public sector revenue was estimated at £47.6 billion, (8.2% of total UK non-North Sea revenue). Including a per capita share of North Sea revenue, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £48.1 billion (8.2% of UK total public sector revenue). When an illustrative geographical share of North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion (9.1% of UK total public sector revenue).
In 2012-13, total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion. This is equivalent to 9.3% of total UK public sector expenditure.
In 2012-13, total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion. This is equivalent to 9.3% of total UK public sector expenditure.
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But surely now you realise that the revenue is much smaller than you thought as it's tax revenue, it doesn't help you as much whether it's per capita, or 97.3% of it?
I don't understand (well, I do, it looks better) why per capita as a measurement of Scotland's wealth has been bandied around so much by the SNP anyway. All the oil companies are not Scottish, so all the profits they make will not benefit Scotland, only the tax revenues they create, which whilst nice and enough to allow Scotland to go it alone, are not going to allow for the Utopian future Salmond likes to paint.
I don't understand (well, I do, it looks better) why per capita as a measurement of Scotland's wealth has been bandied around so much by the SNP anyway. All the oil companies are not Scottish, so all the profits they make will not benefit Scotland, only the tax revenues they create, which whilst nice and enough to allow Scotland to go it alone, are not going to allow for the Utopian future Salmond likes to paint.
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I didnt ask this tho I asked this below
my question does not require numbers
In 2012-13, Scotland’s estimated net fiscal balance was a deficit of £17.6 billion (14.0% of GDP) when excluding North Sea revenue, a deficit of £17.1 billion (13.3% of GDP) when including a per capita share of North Sea revenue or a deficit of £12.1 billion (8.3% of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included.
the 5 billion northsea oil revenue is a per capita share I high lighted it above as well just so its clear
and this is for a scotland in the uk
do you agree that if Independence goes through that it will not be a per capita share any more as independent scotland will have a 93.7% control over the oil revinue while westminster will have the 8.3% share
and just so you know this has already been agreed by salmond and cameron in the case of independence as westminster will have a 8.3% share of our resources and we will have the same with yours and also pay the 8.3% of the national debt which also has been stated by salmond !
meaning that deficit wont have a per capita share of oil revenues any more and will have a 93.7% share of the oil revenues will it
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