Scottish Independence
05 September 2014, 07:12 PM
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I already covered the differences between westminster and hollyrood MP's in post #677
the scottish MP's try a hell of a lot harder to help the people rather than westminster
and 18 months we can vote for which party governs scotland so yes I will have a say along with every other scottish person which we dont have currently !
the scottish MP's try a hell of a lot harder to help the people rather than westminster
and 18 months we can vote for which party governs scotland so yes I will have a say along with every other scottish person which we dont have currently !
also answer my responce above, post at 18.54
05 September 2014, 07:18 PM
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BTW - I don't know if I've already asked you this but why do you keep the pound?
05 September 2014, 07:21 PM
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at least I can string a sentence together properly
could you phrase this in a different way so the educated amongst us can
understand what you are trying to say please ?
05 September 2014, 07:24 PM
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we have been using the pound for a long time and are happy with it
and I dont want to change it
it is better for scotland as you said
but I notice you cant deny what I said about the national debt
being on the bank of englands head
and no access to the bank of england will mean we will not be responcable for the nation debt
so its irrelevant why I want to keep the pound but the fact of the matter is we will be keeping it
05 September 2014, 07:24 PM
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but the crux of it is, scotland adopted the pound sterling in 1700 when scotlands economy went **** up and the value of the pound scots went from a ratio of 1 to 1 with the sterling to 12 Pound scot to 1 pound sterling.
So its not your pound, its englands actualy
05 September 2014, 07:28 PM
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we have been using the pound for a long time and are happy with it
and I dont want to change it
it is better for scotland as you said
but I notice you cant deny what I said about the national debt
being on the bank of englands head
and no access to the bank of england will mean we will not be responcable for the nation debt
so its irrelevant why I want to keep the pound but the fact of the matter is we will be keeping it
and I dont want to change it
it is better for scotland as you said
but I notice you cant deny what I said about the national debt
being on the bank of englands head
and no access to the bank of england will mean we will not be responcable for the nation debt
so its irrelevant why I want to keep the pound but the fact of the matter is we will be keeping it
For Scotland to walk away from this would ultimately hurt Scotland more than the UK.
Why do you want your economic future partly controlled by a foreign power?
05 September 2014, 07:34 PM
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its not hard unless your being flippant you muppet.
but the crux of it is, scotland adopted the pound sterling in 1700 when scotlands economy went **** up and the value of the pound scots went from a ratio of 1 to 1 with the sterling to 12 Pound scot to 1 pound sterling.
So its not your pound, its englands actualy
but the crux of it is, scotland adopted the pound sterling in 1700 when scotlands economy went **** up and the value of the pound scots went from a ratio of 1 to 1 with the sterling to 12 Pound scot to 1 pound sterling.
So its not your pound, its englands actualy
scotland had the pound scots up untill teh 1700's
whent he country
its value dropped to 12 scots per sterling
and you mean to tell me scotland has been using the pound for 314 years
and it cant be classed as our pound as well
get back in your box tidgy
05 September 2014, 07:37 PM
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The national debt cannot be post rationalised. It is money spent, spent in Scotland by Scottish people, for Scottish people.
For Scotland to walk away from this would ultimately hurt Scotland more than the UK.
Why do you want your economic future partly controlled by a foreign power?
For Scotland to walk away from this would ultimately hurt Scotland more than the UK.
Why do you want your economic future partly controlled by a foreign power?
it is fact that the national debt belongs to the bank of england regardless on how it was spent they took out the loan and not scotland
if you took out a loan and gave me say 100 pound and then
defaulted on the payment would the lender chase me ?
no they would go straight to you about it
we have westminster hand over fist on this and that was brought up on the national debate which it was not denied ,,,, fact
but we will pay our share thats a fact too !
as westminster will give us access to the bank of england
and we dont need westminsters approval to keep the pound too !
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05 September 2014, 07:43 PM
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whats that even supposed to mean tidgy is it saying that we had the pound upto the 1700s then what after
and you wonder why I cant understand you LOL
^ my retard detector app has just went ballistic
and you mean to tell me scotland has been using the pound for 314 years
and it cant be classed as our pound as well
get back in your box tidgy
and you wonder why I cant understand you LOL
^ my retard detector app has just went ballistic
and you mean to tell me scotland has been using the pound for 314 years
and it cant be classed as our pound as well
get back in your box tidgy
Scotland used to use 'pound scots', England use 'pound steling', they're two different currencies. Scotland ran their pound into the ground,,, lol
05 September 2014, 07:43 PM
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I reckon he's talking about the Scots pound
Pound Scots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pound Scots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ok mate will look into this when I get back home.
at least you are clear in what you say unlike tidgy
05 September 2014, 07:45 PM
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LOL I will deal with you later when I return home
as heading out now
not name calling just stating facts you mong
also that happened 314 years ago
try to find something more current you idiot
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05 September 2014, 07:55 PM
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it is fact that the national debt belongs to the bank of england regardless on how it was spent they took out the loan and not scotland
if you took out a loan and gave me say 100 pound and then
defaulted on the payment would the lender chase me ?
no they would go straight to you about it
we have westminster hand over fist on this and that was brought up on the national debate which it was not denied ,,,, fact
but we will pay our share thats a fact too !
as westminster will give us access to the bank of england
and we dont need westminsters approval to keep the pound too !
if you took out a loan and gave me say 100 pound and then
defaulted on the payment would the lender chase me ?
no they would go straight to you about it
we have westminster hand over fist on this and that was brought up on the national debate which it was not denied ,,,, fact
but we will pay our share thats a fact too !
as westminster will give us access to the bank of england
and we dont need westminsters approval to keep the pound too !
You are also right that you don't need Westminster's approval to use a foreign currency, you would need it for a currency union or 'zone' though.
I'm still intrigued though by the desire for semi indepence, rather than proper independence.
05 September 2014, 08:02 PM
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They paid a stupid amount of cash bailing the bank of Scotland out of trouble so they still own debt
I even bet they paid money to people in Scotland who were burned from Icelands bank crisis.
The government will have spent billions on supporting the Scottish since the crash so it is Scotland's debt.
Over the years I have loaned loads of money to friends who have never relayed the debt and Scotland is this person. We have borrowed loads but **** you as we are independent now!
I really hope you get independence as Scotland will be more fecked than England and if you really think an independent Scottish parliament won't take the pee with expenses etc and your in dream land
05 September 2014, 08:28 PM
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They paid a stupid amount of cash bailing the bank of Scotland out of trouble so they still own debt
I even bet they paid money to people in Scotland who were burned from Icelands bank crisis.
The government will have spent billions on supporting the Scottish since the crash so it is Scotland's debt.
Over the years I have loaned loads of money to friends who have never relayed the debt and Scotland is this person. We have borrowed loads but **** you as we are independent now!
I really hope you get independence as Scotland will be more fecked than England and if you really think an independent Scottish parliament won't take the pee with expenses etc and your in dream land
I even bet they paid money to people in Scotland who were burned from Icelands bank crisis.
The government will have spent billions on supporting the Scottish since the crash so it is Scotland's debt.
Over the years I have loaned loads of money to friends who have never relayed the debt and Scotland is this person. We have borrowed loads but **** you as we are independent now!
I really hope you get independence as Scotland will be more fecked than England and if you really think an independent Scottish parliament won't take the pee with expenses etc and your in dream land
bank of scotland is not owned by scotland you balloon
it is a subsidiary of Lloyds banking group which is london based
so no westminster bailed out a english bank
also what about the northern rock caper
you didnt loan anything to scotland for crying out loud
westminster might of spent billions but it was not scotland signing the loan agreements was it
and besides scotland has offered to pay there fair share of the debt
but westminster is not getting away with not giving us our fair share of things either !
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05 September 2014, 08:38 PM
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Ohhhh . I see you took on the role to defend Scotland .
You do realise that a subsidiary still means its a Scottish bank? Lloyds will have subsidiaries in a lot of countries but they will all have to follow by that countries rules as it's their cash not the Uk ask
It may be managed by Halifax but its Scotland's bank and if it changes I bet everyone will dump on it very quickly
http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/Ou...k-of-scotland/
. I see you took on the role to defend Scotland . You do realise that a subsidiary still means its a Scottish bank? Lloyds will have subsidiaries in a lot of countries but they will all have to follow by that countries rules as it's their cash not the Uk ask
It may be managed by Halifax but its Scotland's bank and if it changes I bet everyone will dump on it very quickly
http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/Ou...k-of-scotland/
05 September 2014, 08:41 PM
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Ohhhh . I see you took on the role to defend Scotland .
You do realise that a subsidiary still means its a Scottish bank? Lloyds will have subsidiaries in a lot of countries but they will all have to follow by that countries rules as it's their cash not the Uk ask
It may be managed by Halifax but its Scotland's bank and if it changes I bet everyone will dump on it very quickly
http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/Ou...k-of-scotland/
. I see you took on the role to defend Scotland . You do realise that a subsidiary still means its a Scottish bank? Lloyds will have subsidiaries in a lot of countries but they will all have to follow by that countries rules as it's their cash not the Uk ask
It may be managed by Halifax but its Scotland's bank and if it changes I bet everyone will dump on it very quickly
http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/Ou...k-of-scotland/
sorry what was that garbage you were writing ??
a quote from your link
In 2001, Bank of Scotland merged with the Halifax to form HBOS plc. Then in January 2009, following unprecedented turbulence in the global financial markets, HBOS plc was acquired by Lloyds TSB. The new company, Lloyds Banking Group plc, immediately became the largest retail bank in the UK.
also in financial terms acquired means it was sold to Lloyds
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05 September 2014, 08:48 PM
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I have to admit its just funny watching you reply, I think you need to keep off the buckfast. If all Scotland thinks as you do the country is fecked
Salmond really has people brainwashed.
Like I say I hope you get independence as this time England won't have to fight to get your country it will be the other way around
Salmond really has people brainwashed.
Like I say I hope you get independence as this time England won't have to fight to get your country it will be the other way around
05 September 2014, 08:52 PM
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That picture gives both a airblast and a blast from the ground
maybe you should read the full thing instead of picking and choosing what to reply on like ignoring all other points in that post from westminster policies to 1 trillion in debt
Thank you for reminding me why I will be more than happy be separated from the ignorants like you
maybe you should read the full thing instead of picking and choosing what to reply on like ignoring all other points in that post from westminster policies to 1 trillion in debt
Thank you for reminding me why I will be more than happy be separated from the ignorants like you
Oh and if it gives blast data from ground level, I'd be interested to see where. As it quite clearly states 'effects radii for a 100 megatonne airburst' and continues to discuss airburst through out.
05 September 2014, 08:52 PM
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I have to admit its just funny watching you reply, I think you need to keep off the buckfast. If all Scotland thinks as you do the country is fecked
Salmond really has people brainwashed.
Like I say I hope you get independence as this time England won't have to fight to get your country it will be the other way around
Salmond really has people brainwashed.
Like I say I hope you get independence as this time England won't have to fight to get your country it will be the other way around
LOL funny watching me LOL
it was even funnier watching you write utter crap than getting proved wrong with your own link
just like every other guffy posting tonight you got owned you slag !
Honestly go grow a brain and do some reading as you were such a easy opponent.
not joking you are so feeble ha ha
05 September 2014, 08:59 PM
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yea I will more so when I have a group of guffy ***** grouping together
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
05 September 2014, 09:03 PM
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yea I will more so when I have a group of guffy ***** grouping together
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
05 September 2014, 09:05 PM
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yea I will more so when I have a group of guffy ***** grouping together
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
and trying to give me there crap united together LOL
here is the thing one of me several of you
damn right I will say stuff to you to get a rise out of you
so pick your dummy back off the floor
and give me your best if you can
I'd still like your view on why the independence movement isn't actually interested in proper independence?
05 September 2014, 09:11 PM
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Ok martin no problem
Look bottom line its going to be tough if the yes vote goes through noboby is denying that
keeping the pound and access to the bank of england makes it a bit easyier to separate
the start of a iscotland will be easier and more safer not just for us but for you too with a money union
we need to work together with this and scotland is willing to do that
westminster are playing hard ball right now hoping we will vote no
but tides are turning to a yes vote
once that happens I have no doubt that westminster will act differently
and we will start working together
05 September 2014, 09:18 PM
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I suspect that ultimately you are right, the most progmatic solution for Scotland and the UK will be a currency union.
You are also right that you don't need Westminster's approval to use a foreign currency, you would need it for a currency union or 'zone' though.
I'm still intrigued though by the desire for semi indepence, rather than proper independence.
You are also right that you don't need Westminster's approval to use a foreign currency, you would need it for a currency union or 'zone' though.
I'm still intrigued though by the desire for semi indepence, rather than proper independence.
Both sides probably realise the "realpolitik" behind the issue
All the "talk" is for external consumption
