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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 04:53 PM
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Everyone I know is voting no.

We're not called the silent majority for nothing.

Fed up of the yes voters banging on about it and ramming it in our faces.

Funny how every "No" banner is destroyed as soon as they're put up, but the "Yes" banners are left alone. Shows the mentality of a lot of the yes brigade. That alone is enough for me to vote no!

It's going to be one hell of a voter turn out that's for sure.
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Funny how every "No" banner is destroyed as soon as they're put up, but the "Yes" banners are left alone. Shows the mentality of a lot of the yes brigade. That alone is enough for me to vote no!

It's going to be one hell of a voter turn out that's for sure.
very simple there are more people agreeing with a yes vote than a no vote why else would the yes banners stay up and no banners get torn down

all the polls show a mixed vote but here is the thing they are random polls of around 2000 people a time.

here is the social media results where hundreds of thousands of people show there support !!!!



also I am in that silent majority as well as I have not taken part of any poll and I am voting yes !!
as will many others

also I am fed up with no campaigners not growing a set of ***** and standing up for a better future in scotland LOL bunch of ******

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:13 PM
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Well, if the decision was out of yours and the Scottish people hands and England decides to kick Scotland out of the UK, wouldn't you and the Scottish people be upset with that prospect?

thats not the case tho is it
us scottish are not voting for you to leave the UK are we !
we are voting for our selfs leaving the UK.

if you were to have a vote for england to go independent from the UK
I would support you as it would save us the trouble of voting to get away from westminster garbage
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
very simple there are more people agreeing with a yes vote than a no vote why else would the yes banners stay up and no banners get torn down

all the polls show a mixed vote but here is the thing they are random polls of around 2000 people a time.

here is the social media results where hundreds of thousands of people show there support !!!!



also I am in that silent majority as well as I have not taken part of any poll and I am voting yes !!
as will many others

also I am fed up with no campaigners not growing a set of ***** and standing up for a better future in scotland LOL bunch of ******
This from someone who said polls meant squat when it didn't support your argument!

Also, it's Shetland's oil, not Scotland's who after the Scottish vote wants independence from Scotland!

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
This from someone who said polls meant squat when it didn't support your argument!
did you miss something Jonc I also put in that post that polls only cover around 2000 people at a time roughly.
so yes I do still say polls mean squat !

but hundreds of thousands of people liking yes and no votes over social media show a broader view rather than a couple of thousand at a time with random 2000 people polls that is my point if you missed it
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:53 PM
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Which social media and are the "likes" a representative those actually able to vote for Scottish independence or do they include those outside of Scotland?
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Ah the vocal minority and social media users.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Which social media and are the "likes" a representative those actually able to vote for Scottish independence or do they include those outside of Scotland?
It states the social media sites on the picuture jonc
and to be fair it does not.

but it does show more people in favour of independence

But lets face some facts here as england is a leachfull country as it gains its power from
from controling the small countrys next to it , scotland , wales , northern ireland

LOL southern ireland has already gone scotland is soon to leave as well
wales from what i have read are wanting to go too LOL

England is in trouble and you lot know it !
Seriously one ignorant and arrogant country england is LOL
and they make the surrounding countrys think that they need england too
when its england who need them ha ha

i am going to love seeing how england copes when they are deserted !

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Ah the vocal minority and social media users.
Alright c0ckmyster
Hows you today ?

LOL

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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Social media polls are irrelevant. The enthusiasm of the yes voters makes them vote on the poll. The no voters just probably couldn't be bothered.

Plus the social media polls are heavily biased towards younger people. Not many grannies and grandpas on there, so it's not remotely representative.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rossyboy
Social media polls are irrelevant. The enthusiasm of the yes voters makes them vote on the poll. The no voters just probably couldn't be bothered.

Plus the social media polls are heavily biased towards younger people. Not many grannies and grandpas on there, so it's not remotely representative.
Never said it was LOL

yea the no voters probably couldnt be bothered lol
Yea they cant be bothered to stand up to the challenge and make scotland a better place either lol

Fookin muppets LOL

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
did you miss something Jonc I also put in that post that polls only cover around 2000 people at a time roughly.
so yes I do still say polls mean squat !

but hundreds of thousands of people liking yes and no votes over social media show a broader view rather than a couple of thousand at a time with random 2000 people polls that is my point if you missed it
Depends if you think hundreds of thousands of social media users are more representative of the population as whole than carefully selected polling groups?
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:26 PM
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Depends if you think hundreds of thousands of social media users are more representative of the population as whole than carefully selected polling groups?
Ok

The polling results i have viewed in the last week have been very close though
With it starting to turn towards the yes vote.

To be fair both the polls or the social media are not going to have any real relevence
But we will find out in just over two weeks time what the real outcome will be
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Ok

The polling results i have viewed in the last week have been very close though
With it starting to turn towards the yes vote.

To be fair both the polls or the social media are not going to have any real relevence
But we will find out in just over two weeks time what the real outcome will be
It's certainly looking like a close run thing
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Seriously one ignorant and arrogant country england is LOL
and they make the surrounding countrys think that they need england too
when its england who need them ha ha

i am going to love seeing how england copes when they are deserted !

i think this analysis is slightly to broad - i would narrow that point to London and the southeast
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
i think this analysis is slightly to broad - i would narrow that point to London and the southeast
yea good point hodgy
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Originally Posted by jonc
Also, it's Shetland's oil, not Scotland's who after the Scottish vote wants independence from Scotland!

first off most of the oil is produced from off the coast of aberdeen
I would know I worked there for 9 years

if they want it and vote for it hats off to Shetland for going for it

you are a southerner who thinks he knows about a country he does not even live in
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
yea good point hodgy
No worries Nizmo

And seriously - good luck on the 18th

Personally I would love you to stay, at heart I think people/countries etc are always better/stronger together

But if the yes vote have won the argument then so be it, our loss
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
No worries Nizmo

And seriously - good luck on the 18th

Personally I would love you to stay, at heart I think people/countries etc are always better/stronger together

But if the yes vote have won the argument then so be it, our loss
Thank you hodgy

Its a pity there are not much people as positive as you are
As i respect people who have respect for other people.

Its just westminster are so full of lies and greed and are extremely negative

If they had been a fairer and more concerned about the people from all over the uk's well being instead of greed lies and stealing from the poorest to fuel the wealthiest i would of wanted to stay in the union.

But when a goverment penalises people like the disabled and the poorest people in the country it is time to seperate

More so when they are moving towards NHS privatization as they make money out of the deals while the poor are getting dragged down into poverty mate you know what i mean
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 08:32 PM
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I am with you nizmo I am English, but the Westminster politicians have been so arrogant over this they deserve to lose.

Like hodgy I think we are better together, but fair play to you if you vote Yes. Westminster will only have itself to blame, it was a nailed on no vote until they started with their antics and now even though I think we would be worse off apart a large bit of me wants to see you vote Yes because of that.
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Here's one big good reason for them to go.

Because if they lose, they will be back again and again wasting our time and money..
Get them gone!
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Thank you hodgy

Its a pity there are not much people as positive as you are
As i respect people who have respect for other people.

Its just westminster are so full of lies and greed and are extremely negative

If they had been a fairer and more concerned about the people from all over the uk's well being instead of greed lies and stealing from the poorest to fuel the wealthiest i would of wanted to stay in the union.

But when a goverment penalises people like the disabled and the poorest people in the country it is time to seperate

More so when they are moving towards NHS privatization as they make money out of the deals while the poor are getting dragged down into poverty mate you know what i mean
Salmond is no different; he's claimed £116k of expenses in one year, spent £100m of public money to treat patients outside of the NHS bring massive profits to private clinics just so he can tweak waiting list targets. Not quite meeting Salmond's pledge of erradicating private provision. As far as Salmond's historical performance on finances, he back Fred Goodwin for RBS to buy ABN Amro at a massively inflated price. Now the prosperous Scotland he presents post independence is based on getting a currency union despite all the relevant parties have categorically stated there will not be a currency union. The point is I don't think you'll see a change with the iScottish ministers, politicians will always be politicians

It's not a question of being positive or not, it's about getting a balance of the pros and cons and all the information to make a rational judgement of the likely outcome of an independent Scotland. There are still some fundamental questions that remain unanswered. It's become very emotive on both sides of the argument and the rational and logical arguments are being lost in the public debate.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
I am with you nizmo I am English, but the Westminster politicians have been so arrogant over this they deserve to lose.

Like hodgy I think we are better together, but fair play to you if you vote Yes. Westminster will only have itself to blame, it was a nailed on no vote until they started with their antics and now even though I think we would be worse off apart a large bit of me wants to see you vote Yes because of that.
Thank you f1 fan

Even though i was always voting yes
I thought the vote would end up being a no
Until the last 6 weeks as westminster has done its self no favours
And the yes campaign has really stepped the game up
For me my money is on getting independence

I think we are stronger together but scotland would be better off independent

Hopefully if we do go independent our countrys still remain close partners but just seperatly run
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
first off most of the oil is produced from off the coast of aberdeen
I would know I worked there for 9 years

if they want it and vote for it hats off to Shetland for going for it
Are we not talking of the Clair Fields off the west coat of Shetlands (hundreds of miles away from the coast of Aberdeen) that Cameron supposedly secretly went to meet oil representatives?



Originally Posted by nizmo80
you are a southerner who thinks he knows about a country he does not even live in
Maybe, but you as a Scot only knows just as much as a southerner does about an independent Scotland and that's the crux of the debate.
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Thank you f1 fan

Even though i was always voting yes
I thought the vote would end up being a no
Until the last 6 weeks as westminster has done its self no favours
And the yes campaign has really stepped the game up
For me my money is on getting independence

I think we are stronger together but scotland would be better off independent

Hopefully if we do go independent our countrys still remain close partners but just seperatly run
Yep it seemed almost inconceivable that the vote would be a Yes a few months ago, but just shows you what can be done.

Good luck either way
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Here's one big good reason for them to go.

Because if they lose, they will be back again and again wasting our time and money..
Get them gone!
Great argument you have there alcazar lol ,,,,,, not !

You seem to be well lets say a bit of a moron PMSL

At least the other people on this thread can post decent points and views
Other than like you and blurt out **** lol
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Originally Posted by jonc
Are we not talking of the Clair Fields off the west coat of Shetlands (hundreds of miles away from the coast of Aberdeen) that Cameron supposedly secretly went to meet oil representatives?





Maybe, but you as a Scot only knows just as much as a southerner does about an independent Scotland and that's the crux of the debate.
Here is the thing scotland and england are two seperate countrys
Which one can and will vote to be independent and england does not have a say in the matter

And shetland is scotland and not a different country so the vote for shetland independence
Would not only include the people of shetland it would be all of scotland voting on its independence which i would hardly think that would happen
But lets say it did happen if thats how the vote turned out
I would support and respect the vote regardless how it turned out.


One of the big oil finds was west shetland

But there is other huge finds like the buzzard field 30 mins of aberdeens beach
And most of the rigs are close to aberdeen hence why aberdeen is the oil capitol of europe !

Also we have not even touched the west coast of scotland yet with regards to oil exploration
And also fracking in the north sea which has not started which will supercharge old wells into producing as it has been proven so well in northern america and canada

Also its not all about oil which does play a roll as there is plenty of other resources that will make a independent scotland thrive

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Originally Posted by rossyboy
Social media polls are irrelevant. The enthusiasm of the yes voters makes them vote on the poll. The no voters just probably couldn't be bothered.

Plus the social media polls are heavily biased towards younger people. Not many grannies and grandpas on there, so it's not remotely representative.
Couldn't agree more. As a no voter i have hardly even spoke about the whole thing or get excited about it. I'm quite happy with life as it is and to continue living from a pool funded by 60 odd million rather than less than 5.
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Couldn't agree more. As a no voter i have hardly even spoke about the whole thing or get excited about it. I'm quite happy with life as it is and to continue living from a pool funded by 60 odd million rather than less than 5.
It saddens me to see another scot who cant stand up for himself and make a better scotland

So you think the way it is now is best well what is it you think is better in staying in the UK

is it the fact that westminster targets the poorest in the country with poverty seeking missiles like the bedroom tax
And targets the weak like the disabled with money cuts.

Have trident nukes sitting 30 miles from scotlands biggest population centre away from english citys ?

a goverment whos main interest is to lie cheat and scare people into submission.

our scottish MP's
Work very hard to improve scotland with
Extra care to the elderly
Free prescriptions and further education
And tried to scrape the bedroom tax right from the start.

And you think we are better with westminster lol
You need to wake up and get off your **** to try and make scotland a better place
It really is that simple.
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Phew, it a good job that the 20GW, er, 398MW, er, whatever capacity underwater windmills can produce, is so close to the Scottish population centres.

Er, wait a minute?



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