Devildog

I don't have an issue with the English. I'm just making a statement of fact.

You need to stop confusing anti-english with nationalism. They are two very different things.

jonc

I'm not the one confused, you said:

"...sums up all that is wrong with the English."

I did not mention "the English" at all, I said rUK. You're confusing rUK with England and to me that indicates you have an underlying issue whether you realise it or not.

Devildog

No I'm not. If anyone has an underlying issue its you in that you seem to be hung up on the whole "Scots being anti English" thing.

And no, you didn't say "rUK". You said, specifically, "south of the border".

Now, unless you meant every country below appx 55 degrees north (which I doubt because that would be just dumb), the country immediately south of the border with Scotland is, in fact, England.

If you'd meant the "rest of the UK" you should have said that. In any event, in terms of the UK, the majority excluding Scotland in terms of landmass and, specifically population, is England. Add to that the fact that in my experience Scotland is very much on the radar of the Northern Irish, and also the Welsh, for many reasons, not least of which is the comparisons drawn in respect of the Welsh and Norther Irish Assemblies and the Scottish Government in relation to devolved powers.

So, no hang ups here. Just experienced based fact.

jonc

Whatever, I know what I meant, hence why I closed the sentence with rUK. I still maintain I did not say "the English", you did.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=598

RA Dunk

BP released this today Gobshyte.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152549459961387

Funny how only me and Cameron and the entire North East of Scotland knew of this a month ago, isn't it..

jonc

And of course Cameron wanted to cover up the oil find, so the last thing he'd want to do is draw attention to it by flying up there for a visit....oh....no wait.....

RA Dunk

Apparently so, funny how it's been common news up here for a month but nothing has been said or picked up on be the parasite media, but yet they managed to have a helicopter over Cliff Richards home when it was being searched.

A bit of a coincidence since it's a PM's first visit to the Shetlands for 34 years don't you think.

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php...shetland-visit

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

So that's the 12bn shortfall taken care of then.

Looks like iScotland is a goer.

tony de wonderful

You won't find any anti-english who aren't nationalist though.

Devildog

Is that along the lines of "all muslims are terrorists" Tony?

And by the way, yes you will.

Devildog

I'm glad you knew what you meant.

You don't have to "maintain" anything. Its not in dispute that you did not say "the English". And of course I did. Its in black and white for all to see

I explained why I typed "the English". The point is that just because I did don't jump to conclusions that I have anti - English issues. Some Scots are dumb as **** with no understanding of anything outside their own existence. As are some Welsh and some Irish. But saying that doesn't make me anti Scottish, anti Welsh or anti Irish

jonc

Ok, why don't you tell us what you think Cameron supposidly did whilst he was in the Shetlands.

Geezer

The problem with that story is that it could equally be propaganda for the Yes vote. Lead people to believe evil Westminster are hiding the true truth about oil, then after the vote simply say they had underestimated the oil reserves, or that it was never actually confirmed officially by anyone you shouldn't always believe what you read in the press etc etc.

neil-h

Dug a well and stole all of Scotland's oil.

jonc

Not necessarily, looks like the Shetlands want independence from Scotland.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/Ge...s/islandgroups

Of course the pro-independence Yes camp should welcome this this as they fully support the right to self determination and independence and recognise their right to take "their" oil with them.

jonc

Not Scotland's oil, it's Shetland's oil.

tony de wonderful

There are oil finds every few years, but the long term trend for production is down, like any mature oil field.

Martin2005

Wasn't that MY point?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You do realise that Cameron rarely does anything, just talks about doing things.

JTaylor

Say 'YES' to Shetland!

tony de wonderful

Ha ha

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

Not long now lol

Starting really turn in the yes votes favour
more so after salmond tore darling a new one on the second debate lol
And the scottish debate the other night did not go well for the no thanks campaign either lol

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Aye. let's get them gone.

Then insist on:

Borders, with passport control UK passports NOT valid for Jocks
NO use of the £.
NO backup from BoE.
NO payment to leave.
NO payment to come back when it all goes **** up.

Get them gone.

dpb

Oh bollox

That's 800k down the swannie. .

jonc

If this was turned around and there was a vote where only the English were allowed to vote on whether the Scottish people should have their UK citizenship revoked and all ties and obligations with the rest of UK severed, but Westminter remained in control of Scotland's finances, how do you think the people of Scotland would feel then? I would think the vast majority of Scots would be unhappy with this scenario, no?

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

**** the borders re build Hadrians wall to keep the English out of scotland

No use of the pound LOL
Alistair Darling already Fcuked up that one by admitting that " Of course we can still use the pound "



no back up from the bank of england LOL
the bank of england is responsible for most of the national debt
and as the yes campaign pointed out if there is no access to the bank of england then we dont pay the 8.3% of the national debt that we are willing to pay LOL
so yes we will have access to the bank of England and we will still have the pound

but you can say goodbye to our vast oil reserves and before any of you OIL specialists try to tell me the oil is running out I worked for 9 years logging freshly drilled oil wells scanning them with specialized
tools looking to see how much oil was in these wells LOL
there is soooo much more oil there than westminster lets on as it was in there best interests to try to let us think there is less than there actually is so te make us think we need them and you for that matter

two new massive oil finds have found in the past two months but westminster and Cameron are trying to keep secret LOL
hence the snake Camerons visit to Shetland and the geologists being told to keep quite and told to stay at home until after the independance vote

also you can say goodbye to the soft water reserves that we have that the pipeline bypasses scottish citys and goes straight to england

all the hydro and wind power generators that we have
and we can expect scotland to invest more in these once we are in control of our own resources after the yes vote.

And good luck with the english privatised NHS when that happens

what I find funny is people thinking that a no vote will happen LOL
we live in scotland and for every no voting person that I know of there is 40 yes voters that I know are voting yes



you are in for a shock once the yes vote goes through
and you find out how much resources you have just lost when we go our own way

anyhoo its not our country thats massively over populated
but it is our country who has the lions share of the resources when the yes vote DOES GO THROUGH !

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

whats your point Jonc ?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I'll love seeing just how much electricity you produce....Glasgow in the dark anybody.

Get them gone, the miserable sweaty-socks.

nizmo80

iTrader: (2)

^ Best this pr!cks got to offer LOL



I hope after independence the trident gets parked 30 miles from your house after it gets thrown off our soil

Also did I not read a while ago that you were having some health problems with older age " not being funny with this so please dont think that " if I am wrong then I apologize
what are you going to do when the NHS is privatized in england ?
you need to stop trying to put scotland down and go out and protest for your right to a have a national NHS that looks after the people and not a privatized one !

jonc

Well, if the decision was out of yours and the Scottish people hands and England decides to kick Scotland out of the UK, wouldn't you and the Scottish people be upset with that prospect?