Jolly Green Monster

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they?

what dubious things? rather sweeping statement

toneh

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Simon you're quite welcome to think what you like ,
Just because I don't like what you charge , don't mean I have disrespect for you
Fact I have put work both yours and Duncan's way
And had no credit thanks or fek all
And it wasn't from posts on here either

So think what you will , like I've said love me or hate me I'm here and that's it

Dave-W-

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spot on

toneh

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Oh , I'll clarify if you want
Little snippets of you can't use l/v for o/l
When infact , it's very usefull as a good l/v (D) makes a good lead and helps progression into o/l

Bob rawle implied o/s mapping is poor and could result in blow ups ( said it was a joke )

A return generally of putting down DIY mapping ( to be expected though )

Jolly Green Monster

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if not one says where the recommendation came from then I cant thank etc.. not see anything on here.

I need to put more smiles in my posts, I am not in the slightest bit annoyed or trying to have a go.

Genuinely interested in views, I map cars because I love it, I charge money because otherwise I would have to do something else for work rather than map cars..

There are a lot of other expenses other than sitting in a car for a couple of hours - car, phone, laptops, widebands, detcans, accountant, a lot of time is spent answering emails and phonecalls, stock and spares etc.
I think its a skilled job and I struggle to see that the amount charged is unfair when compared to other trades, or sales.

Simon

toneh

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Look at my post guys were I gave an example
As for hug , give over

I can get a b**t f***ed for £3-500

Jolly Green Monster

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something being useful and only using it are two different things.

So go into the local plumbers merchant and talk to the plumbers coming in, tell them you do your own plumbing and that they dont know what they are talking about and they charge too much.. I think you might expect a similar response?

Simon

Dave-W-

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gaz only charges £2.50

toneh

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I want a full f***k not a tweak

banny sti

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Toneh the vvt on my car was not working a little while back, would you have been able to figure out why it was not working in 1 mapping session (serious question)

toneh

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I don't have it mate so never dealt with it regards the map side of things so I'd be lying if a said yes

banny sti

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That is the reason I paid what I paid for my mapping, because that person knows their **** so to speak and has dealt with most eventualities

Jolly Green Monster

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lmfao

toneh

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Mate that is all good and if you're happy great
People say this too me all the time , and then there's gonna be Somone else that agrees its expensive

It will go round and round lol

Jolly Green Monster

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People have different view points and opinions, world would be boring otherwise.

Is petrol expensive? I think you will find less on here saying they are happy with the cost of fuel?

toneh

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Lol give over , I'm gutted I've sold my landrover , nothing like scouring the supermarkets for veg oil on offer

As for the comments about being b**t f*****d

Trust me mate that's never gonna happen , I'm that tight bog rolls not on our shopping list

The Pink Ninja

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Sorry, That will be a lot more than £2.50 as there is more worked involved

toneh

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Right guys hot off the press , I've got to be fair and say as I see
Now you know my feelings about mapping prices and the pricing structure
I've recieved information that tbh has made me think this deserves a mention
Now we all know Andy Carr has been using the carberry rom
( why he kept it secret I don't know but there you go )
Well a few of us have been running it for a while and I think we all agree it's fantastic Rom

I've had a pm from Andy about his prices
And tbh if I were considering a remap or work I'd start ringing him
Obviously I can't mention prices but IMHO they are fair
He's offering the carberry with , launch control , anti lag , map switching for little more than a bog standard map
And things like a safety check , after exhaust fit ect for what I would consider a very fair price
There's a lot of guys on here that are happy with his skills and his price structure seems among the best I've seen or heard
So for A carberry mafless all singing dancing map Andy Carr is the man too see
Tbh I'd get in before it goes up , and you know me guys I'm not exactly the mappers best buddy ,

2pot

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Been reading all your posts, since the beginning.
It's a really interesting stance you're taking, and I agree with your views and your way of saying it - it certainly shook the place up - GOOD.

But I'm struggling with this 'tweaking' issue.

I don't know anything about the technicalities of mapping.
But, if I asked one of the recommended mappers, on here, to 'tweak' a car, that they weren't the last to work on, why would they?
They have a reputation to uphold. I'd expect them to start from scratch.
There's nothing worse than following someone else's work. It's almost always, problematic.

Top people are paid for what they know, not what they do.

Is there a top mapper on here, who would 'tweak' anything, that they hadn't fully mapped first?

Where do folks currently go for 'tweaks'
Is there a layer of 'tweakers' we don't know about?

Dave-W-

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toneh

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See above post mate , he doesn't seem to have a blanket or set charge and seems to have the view that what the customer wants he will provide
From a check
A tweak
Full blown map

Now If you will just please excuse me for a second , I'm just trying to eat my own head

The Pink Ninja

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Well said that man, Andy is a good guy and VERY knowledgeabe and has been around the scene a long time

PSML, Good luck eating you`re own head

bustaMOVEs

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And this is why I stuck up for andy even though I know he may of done wrong or seemed wrong to others he still stood up and explained himself and didnt hide like some have after mocking the carberry which is probably what their using (that pi55es me off), I love to pay andy for the experience he has and a great customer service which always pays in my book, true honesty,(as I have no experience in this nor would I be confident) tbh I didnt even know what rom he was using and wasn't bothered, all I knew is he would do whatever I asked of him without charging the ecutek price range and that's what I don't like when people say you have to get ecutek etc, instead it can be done with os for cheaper.
Tbh people will use who they choose to use and if they feel it's steep then they will look elsewhere if not then they will pay it. It's all on this thread now and people will read and make a desicion from this

What I would like to know is for the person(s) who was mocking the rom to explain themselfs as to why so they can redeem themselfs.As I for one will NOT recommend the said person.
Regards

Dave-W-

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link ?

The Pink Ninja

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Anyone know if i can log from a MY03 JDM spec-c with RomRaider and a Ecutek map, I`m guessing its a no??

Time to start a new thread in the mapping section me thinks

Dave, I dont think there is one it all seems to be a bit of `he said that` `i was told this` etc...

toneh

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Yes I think you can log it mate , but obviously not flash

There was one but it got deleted when it all kicked off

The Pink Ninja

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Might to have a look and see if I can, I knew I couldn't flash it and have no intentions too either, Just thought it would be interesting to start having a look and see if can get to understand it all a bit more, Obviously the starting point being logging and if I can get to grips with that move onto the next step

jura11

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Yes you can log the data with RomRaider(on your ECU with EcuTek),but for flashing would say,you will need different program

If you are looking just log,would suggest VAG cable will be working well




Jura

MartynJ

And there in lies the problem.
You have very little experience of mapping/fault finding and a lot of the time it's the main part of the job. Any good mapper will find and fix (Or recommend a fix) problems the customer may be unaware of.
Experience counts and that's what the masses of people who prefer to use professionals are paying for, not the 5 key strokes it may take to tweak a map.

I generally charge £180 + vat to tweak a map I have carried out. £60 + vat of that pays for the dyno time, the other £120 + vat I don't think an unreasonable amount to charge.

toneh

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Yes. That is totally understandable , but my ability does or should not impact the charge on you're services , I couldn't bake a loaf of bread that would be worthy of selling in a shop , but that doesn't mean tescos should start charging £5 a loaf does it ?
And Andy Carr has refrained from quoting his Prices as have I , but FYI your price is not cheaper ?
May I also add , that I thought mapping was too expensive way before I knew what romraider ect was , it's just strengthened my views slightly , and I think you're very lucky at the moment that it's not as big over here as in the states because there are some very knowledgable DIY mappers over there

Like I've said it seems there are some pro mappers here that are playing fair and reasonable ( Andy Carr being the one I know so far )
His full carberry map excluding nlts is good value , to the point if I wasn't running it already ,and put so much time in , I would be paying him a visit !
Call it back tracking or what ever , but the guys told me his prices and time taken and IMHO it's very reasonable
And I have to say as I see , it's only fair