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18 November 2012, 03:45 PM
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Simon I swear on my kids lives I've got no intention whatsoever , it is a hobby and have no interest in it turning into anything more
I've been asked already numerous times , and also by Somone you have done work for , and I've refused and recommend they stick with yourself
As I have found out before , once you progress you're hobby to buisness it takes on a whole new angle , for me anyway
I've been asked already numerous times , and also by Somone you have done work for , and I've refused and recommend they stick with yourself
As I have found out before , once you progress you're hobby to buisness it takes on a whole new angle , for me anyway
You were describing tweaking the oe or someone elses map on the car not a full and complete remap.
18 November 2012, 03:47 PM
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As far as i was aware, £150 was the going rate for a tweak. If i had a quote of £300 for a "tweak", id consider a new map with another reputabable tuner, who's future charges weren't as excessive.
18 November 2012, 03:50 PM
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Now there are occasions where the car is a pig , stuff not fitted right or faulty , things totally out of scale because of mods or prior mapping
Or mapping to extract as much power as deemed safe
Now in instances like this as you would expect the price will be higher as the work is obviously a lot more time consuming
18 November 2012, 03:55 PM
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+ a little more boost you will class that as a tweak and charge , circa £150 ( which i think you'll agree is around the going rate for a tweak
18 November 2012, 04:18 PM
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If any known mapper comes back on here and says I,ll do that for circa £150 I'll eat my own head
Yet it is really just a tweak , as Simon said in his post
A full map is when you would be starting looking at extracting what we would call proper power , and exploring the limits of the set up the car is running
18 November 2012, 04:26 PM
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Get an unmapped car , fit an exhaust , then go to a mapper and say can you map this because I've fitted an exhaust oh and while you're there can you just tweak the boost up a little
If any known mapper comes back on here and says I,ll do that for circa £150 I'll eat my own head
Yet it is really just a tweak , as Simon said in his post
A full map is when you would be starting looking at extracting what we would call proper power , and exploring the limits of the set up the car is running
If any known mapper comes back on here and says I,ll do that for circa £150 I'll eat my own head
Yet it is really just a tweak , as Simon said in his post
A full map is when you would be starting looking at extracting what we would call proper power , and exploring the limits of the set up the car is running
A tweak in my eyes is tweaking a map of my own thats on the car already.
As soon as I load a map on a car I take ownership of any issues. I wouldnt tweak someone elses or the oe map.
Also the next thing is he will go on an rr and then ring you asking why he only has 290bhp when others with same spec have 340bhp. You only tweak the boost up and he things he got a bargain until the realisation that he actually thought you were doing a full map.
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18 November 2012, 04:28 PM
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Its not down to me to give costing on other peoples work i`m sure if you want to know you could ask the parties involved,
The Ecutek map that is on my spec-c was done via powerstation in 2006 and was £550 + vat, I enquired about a map tweek on mine using Ecutek as its already installed and was quoted more than double what Dave got charged for tweeking both of his maps for numerous changes his car has undergone to the already installed map.
The Ecutek map that is on my spec-c was done via powerstation in 2006 and was £550 + vat, I enquired about a map tweek on mine using Ecutek as its already installed and was quoted more than double what Dave got charged for tweeking both of his maps for numerous changes his car has undergone to the already installed map.
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18 November 2012, 04:29 PM
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Thats not a tweak.
A tweak in my eyes is tweaking a map of my own thats on the car already.
As soon as I load a map on a car I take ownership of any issues. I wouldnt tweak someone elses or the oe map.
Also the next thing is he will go on an rr and then ring you asking why he only has 290bhp when others with same spec have 340bhp. You only tweak the boost up and he things he got a bargain until the realisation that he actually thought you were doing a full map.
Simon
A tweak in my eyes is tweaking a map of my own thats on the car already.
As soon as I load a map on a car I take ownership of any issues. I wouldnt tweak someone elses or the oe map.
Also the next thing is he will go on an rr and then ring you asking why he only has 290bhp when others with same spec have 340bhp. You only tweak the boost up and he things he got a bargain until the realisation that he actually thought you were doing a full map.
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18 November 2012, 04:34 PM
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Exactly my point, Its not really cost effective to do so as powerstation is a 300 mile round trip for me as it was done by the previous owner, Also i believe that its a locked map so it wouldnt be a tweek anyway even if anyone else could access it, I would need a new full map if i took it to anyone else but powerstation, Excluding the license correct?
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18 November 2012, 04:35 PM
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Its not really cost effective to do so as powerstation is a 300 mile round trip for me as it was done by the previous owner, Also i believe that its a locked map so it wouldnt be a tweek if it was taken anywhere else it would have to be another full map, Excluding the license correct?
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18 November 2012, 04:51 PM
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Thats not a tweak.
A tweak in my eyes is tweaking a map of my own thats on the car already.
As soon as I load a map on a car I take ownership of any issues. I wouldnt tweak someone elses or the oe map.
Also the next thing is he will go on an rr and then ring you asking why he only has 290bhp when others with same spec have 340bhp. You only tweak the boost up and he things he got a bargain until the realisation that he actually thought you were doing a full map.
Simon
A tweak in my eyes is tweaking a map of my own thats on the car already.
As soon as I load a map on a car I take ownership of any issues. I wouldnt tweak someone elses or the oe map.
Also the next thing is he will go on an rr and then ring you asking why he only has 290bhp when others with same spec have 340bhp. You only tweak the boost up and he things he got a bargain until the realisation that he actually thought you were doing a full map.
Simon
Now you have seen the posts on here about ; I've fitted an exhaust do I need a remap ) they are probably the most common post
Now I'm quite sure if you told people yes I can map you're car for you're exhaust and tweak you're boost for x amount they would understand , and if you explained it would cost x amount more for a more comprhensive remap that will yield more power
Then the choice is there's ,
Like you put in my post I was quoting a tweak , not a comprehensive map ?
And if you do come across a poorly running car that is totally unscaled and all to **** then charge accordingly
I'm sure it's not hard to explain
Yes I can remap you're car for you're exhaust , it's £x
If all is well
But if it's not it could be £x
18 November 2012, 05:01 PM
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Simon you know as well as me the work involved in checking and altering the tables on an unmapped car with an aftermarket exhaust is nothing more than a tweak to get it running safe
Now you have seen the posts on here about ; I've fitted an exhaust do I need a remap ) they are probably the most common post
Now I'm quite sure if you told people yes I can map you're car for you're exhaust and tweak you're boost for x amount they would understand , and if you explained it would cost x amount more for a more comprhensive remap that will yield more power
Then the choice is there's ,
Like you put in my post I was quoting a tweak , not a comprehensive map ?
And if you do come across a poorly running car that is totally unscaled and all to **** then charge accordingly
I'm sure it's not hard to explain
Yes I can remap you're car for you're exhaust , it's £x
If all is well
But if it's not it could be £x
Now you have seen the posts on here about ; I've fitted an exhaust do I need a remap ) they are probably the most common post
Now I'm quite sure if you told people yes I can map you're car for you're exhaust and tweak you're boost for x amount they would understand , and if you explained it would cost x amount more for a more comprhensive remap that will yield more power
Then the choice is there's ,
Like you put in my post I was quoting a tweak , not a comprehensive map ?
And if you do come across a poorly running car that is totally unscaled and all to **** then charge accordingly
I'm sure it's not hard to explain
Yes I can remap you're car for you're exhaust , it's £x
If all is well
But if it's not it could be £x
It needs a full map.
Whats the point of fitting an exhaust and just having it tweak to be safe.
It needs a full map to be done properly.
18 November 2012, 05:10 PM
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Yes I agree a full head to toe map would be good
But there are so many guys running a stock mapped car with just an exhaust
And the fact it's those that have fitted the exhaust is usually gonna be an indicator that it's still the o/e map
You've seen the posts , will I be ok or would I need it mapped
That question is basically saying do I really need a remap because I could do without it ( fitted for sound effect only )
18 November 2012, 05:42 PM
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The figures of £3-450 are general prices that are common
Dave w quoted £3-500 and ask you
Like scoobywrx said setting the switchable features is a little more time consuming and there is a parts cost to factor
Now this is just my opinion and maybe others but £300 for the carberry in basic form is a reasonable price , approaching £500 for all features would be pushing it , now these are figures being generally accepted
Now if you turn round and say its all rubbish and I can do all the whistles and bells for around £350 I would then turn round and urge everyone to get in touch and snap you're arm off because that would represent for once what I personally a fair price for a fair job ,,,, just my opinion of course
Dave w quoted £3-500 and ask you
Like scoobywrx said setting the switchable features is a little more time consuming and there is a parts cost to factor
Now this is just my opinion and maybe others but £300 for the carberry in basic form is a reasonable price , approaching £500 for all features would be pushing it , now these are figures being generally accepted
Now if you turn round and say its all rubbish and I can do all the whistles and bells for around £350 I would then turn round and urge everyone to get in touch and snap you're arm off because that would represent for once what I personally a fair price for a fair job ,,,, just my opinion of course
and as andrew stated above he fitted switches 3port ect on mine never have i felt overcharged by andrew
take the other day i had front mount and a few other bits fitted andrew drove 30 miles to tweak both my maps and only charged me £80 bargain
in my book toneh i met you at connors day and you seemed a nice bloke but you are like a different person on here (keyboard warrior with a grudge) no offence but thats just how i see it and i have read all posts involved
i have a washroom cubicle fitting buisness and my customers pay me a premium for my lads experience
the number of times i have sent my lads out to put joiners work right when companies have tried having cubicles fitted on the cheap is unreal not slating joiners but i find most of them hate doing that sort of work they are much happier wih doors skirtings ect
and the customer ends up paying twice for a job that could have been done correctly with no issues by someone with experience
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18 November 2012, 05:56 PM
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Because that's all some guys require for the time being and funds don't always allow a full blown mapping session and there's also the factor that if you are going for a more comprehensive map there are somtimes beneficial supporting mods to have as well
Yes I agree a full head to toe map would be good
But there are so many guys running a stock mapped car with just an exhaust
And the fact it's those that have fitted the exhaust is usually gonna be an indicator that it's still the o/e map
You've seen the posts , will I be ok or would I need it mapped
That question is basically saying do I really need a remap because I could do without it ( fitted for sound effect only )
Yes I agree a full head to toe map would be good
But there are so many guys running a stock mapped car with just an exhaust
And the fact it's those that have fitted the exhaust is usually gonna be an indicator that it's still the o/e map
You've seen the posts , will I be ok or would I need it mapped
That question is basically saying do I really need a remap because I could do without it ( fitted for sound effect only )
I am not aware of someone that offers this make safe service you refer to, so your example is floored.
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18 November 2012, 05:57 PM
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i quoted 300 -500 at a guess andrew and brian at cams have done a lot of good work on my motor and always go the extra mile
and as andrew stated above he fitted switches 3port ect on mine never have i felt overcharged by andrew or brian at cams
take the other day i had front mount and a few other bits fitted andrew drove 30 miles to tweak both my maps and only charged me £80 bargain
in my book toneh i met you at connors day and you seemed a nice bloke but you are like a different person on here (keyboard warrior with a grudge) no offence but thats just how i see it and i have read all posts involved
i have a washroom cubicle fitting buisness and my customers pay me a premium for my lads experience
the number of times i have sent my lads out to put joiners work right when companies have tried having cubicles fitted on the cheap is unreal not slating joiners but i find most of them hate doing that sort of work they are much happier wih doors skirtings ect
and the customer ends up paying twice for a job that could have been done correctly with no issues by someone with experience
and as andrew stated above he fitted switches 3port ect on mine never have i felt overcharged by andrew or brian at cams
take the other day i had front mount and a few other bits fitted andrew drove 30 miles to tweak both my maps and only charged me £80 bargain
in my book toneh i met you at connors day and you seemed a nice bloke but you are like a different person on here (keyboard warrior with a grudge) no offence but thats just how i see it and i have read all posts involved
i have a washroom cubicle fitting buisness and my customers pay me a premium for my lads experience
the number of times i have sent my lads out to put joiners work right when companies have tried having cubicles fitted on the cheap is unreal not slating joiners but i find most of them hate doing that sort of work they are much happier wih doors skirtings ect
and the customer ends up paying twice for a job that could have been done correctly with no issues by someone with experience
Dissapointed mate at the key board warrior comment , because I'm not threatening , insulting or trying to belittle anyone , all I'm posting is what my opinion of mapping charges are , now some agree and some don't , that's fine , but I get a lot more thrown at me than I give out , and if we would have spoke about this when we met my views would be exactly the same
So tbh mate I think you're keyboard warrior comment is a little misplaced
18 November 2012, 06:03 PM
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If you map a car to gain power , or you check and tweak a stock car to run a decat
Totally different , let's wait till the next guy who posts about fitting an exhaust and I'll reply and it will become clear
18 November 2012, 06:05 PM
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Dissapointed mate at the key board warrior comment , because I'm not threatening , insulting or trying to belittle anyone , all I'm posting is what my opinion of mapping charges are , now some agree and some don't , that's fine , but I get a lot more thrown at me than I give out , and if we would have spoke about this when we met my views would be exactly the same
So tbh mate I think you're keyboard warrior comment is a little misplaced
So tbh mate I think you're keyboard warrior comment is a little misplaced
sorry to offend m8
i know your have not been threatening in the slightest but i think some of your views have been insulting to mappers and members who use and trust them
18 November 2012, 06:14 PM
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( dealing in the motor trade is a ball ache ) customer service ect
I can't go along with the pricing strategy ( not just me ) and they have said some dubious things
But other than that as people and there skills I have no problem at all
If you look at some posts I've recommended mappers
If you don't want to get into DIY ( which some don't )
See the likes of Simon ( jgm) Duncan , Andy carr , bob rawle
Just because I don't agree with the cost mate , don't mean I have a hatred of mappers lol
Maybe how I come across
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I'll be honest as I can mate , I don't mean to be insulting to mappers , believe it or not I have a certain amount of respect for them
( dealing in the motor trade is a ball ache ) customer service ect
I can't go along with the pricing strategy ( not just me ) and they have said some dubious things
But other than that as people and there skills I have no problem at all
If you look at some posts I've recommended mappers
If you don't want to get into DIY ( which some don't )
See the likes of Simon ( jgm) Duncan , Andy carr , bob rawle
Just because I don't agree with the cost mate , don't mean I have a hatred of mappers lol
Maybe how I come across
( dealing in the motor trade is a ball ache ) customer service ect
I can't go along with the pricing strategy ( not just me ) and they have said some dubious things
But other than that as people and there skills I have no problem at all
If you look at some posts I've recommended mappers
If you don't want to get into DIY ( which some don't )
See the likes of Simon ( jgm) Duncan , Andy carr , bob rawle
Just because I don't agree with the cost mate , don't mean I have a hatred of mappers lol
Maybe how I come across
18 November 2012, 06:19 PM
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i had mine mapped last month by dunc (dynamix) and i thought the charge was reasonable, he travelled to me and my car had a slight problem with the idle control valve so i followed him to rcm and borrowed an idle control valve from them and had it rr mapped all for no extra charge.
it will be tweeked in the future and i think the charge for that is reasonable too as he is driving a fair distance to do it and using rcms rolling road.
you have to take into consideration the cost of running a van and also the time travelling too and from customers not just the time he is on your car.
it will be tweeked in the future and i think the charge for that is reasonable too as he is driving a fair distance to do it and using rcms rolling road.
you have to take into consideration the cost of running a van and also the time travelling too and from customers not just the time he is on your car.