toneh

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Still fancy giving that buisness Lesson ?

mickywrx

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That's fair enough.

Fancy an FOC welding job?

toneh

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Mate I'm being totally honest here , I'm not on this site for any gain financial or really on an advice level ( if you look at my posts I don't really ask much for much advice )
People don't get me or believe I'm real , I started this thread for the benefit of others to make them aware and as an attempt to say hey guys I think you're being took for a bit of a ride here , there is no gain in this for me at all , apart from ear ache and aggro , but I can't just sit by and see people being ( on occasion took for a mug )

Which on some occasion you are
There has been a steady increase of folk realise and it grows slightly each time
I've nothing personal against mappers but I don't value their honesty at all and that's what's important

It's not a one man crusade nor am I some sort of attention seeker
I'm a normal bloke with kids A job and my scooby is my hobby end of
And as for you're foc welding job , yeah no probs as long as its not Seam welding a shell & you can get it too me

Replied to what I thought was the other thread , but not to worry it still all applies and shows how my ear ache comes from all angles lol

mickywrx

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Tony, don't get me wrong, mate. I'm as big a cynic as anyone on here, and I whole heartedly agree with a lot of what you're saying.

I appreciate what skills go into remapping, just as I appreciate the skill involved in your line of work.

People will charge what they do, and people will pay it, sometimes blindly.

It's not that long ago that Duncan was starting to map his own car, asking basic fundamental questions and look at him now.

I'll drop you a PM tomorrow.

chocolate_o_brian

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Well me and Tony kind of agreed to disagree whilst taking both people's points of view on.

I'm sure we could sit and have a pint and talk over it without it getting heated. And yes he made me a genuine offer of some fabrication work on a turbo (when I buy it LOL).

I can't really add much else as I use a mapper (Bob Rawle so far) as opposed to attempting myself.

toneh

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Lol , I'll never agree with you , you grease monkey

Shaun

Yeah... No problem!

My previous comment was in awe of such a low hourly rate for a perceived skilled profession. Unless you're just pressing buttons. Lol even then it's cheap. Either way your charges are based on what the market is paying or you've been very shrewd.

Maz

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This has to be one of the most philosophical things you've posted.

brendy76

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I think the secret is awareness. Up until now a lot of guys saw no alternative. There is and it needs to be pushed. OS remaps shouldnt be costing anywhere near what some are charging. Yes you must allow for labour rate but after that it is incredible to think that a mapper believes his time is worth more than other vocations which are degree taught and seen as high earners.

AndrewC

Who said I charge £200 or even £50 for setting up ECU features like ALS or LC?

The extra I charge over the standard mapping fee is usually for supplying and fitting extra parts like Air Temp and MAP sensors, 3-port boost solenoid, clutch switch and for setting up the second MAP on a different fuel.

Am I way off the mark charging £30 to supply AND fit an air temp sensor? Or £40 to supply and fit a brand new 3-port boost solenoid?

Andrew...

addi monster

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Not at all andrew

toneh

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The figures of £3-450 are general prices that are common
Dave w quoted £3-500 and ask you

Like scoobywrx said setting the switchable features is a little more time consuming and there is a parts cost to factor
Now this is just my opinion and maybe others but £300 for the carberry in basic form is a reasonable price , approaching £500 for all features would be pushing it , now these are figures being generally accepted
Now if you turn round and say its all rubbish and I can do all the whistles and bells for around £350 I would then turn round and urge everyone to get in touch and snap you're arm off because that would represent for once what I personally a fair price for a fair job ,,,, just my opinion of course

tweaks

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As above,although I wouldn't urge anyone to get in touch with you.

Tim

The Pink Ninja

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I know what Andrew charged to do Dave`s car recently including tweeking both maps and it was quite a bit less than other people charge for a single map tweek IMO.

toneh

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Come on man be fair , if it's about the carberry issue then yes it was naughty , but that issues been dealt with and out in the open and over
I know guys that Andy has mapped for and are happy , it's just the costs that could do with nailing down IMHO
Unless you have other issues that we don't know ?

toneh

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Mate some will charge up to £500 for a map tweak if it's a first time ecutek , so that statement is a little irrelevant unless we know the cost of the single map tweak you speak of

And was it daves first initial carberry map you're referring to or changes to existing ?

tweaks

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It's nothing to do with the 'super rom'

Tim

toneh

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Fair enough mate , I must admit I know personally folk that have dealt with Andy and rate him , so I can only go on what has been said

If you've had a different experience that's upto you to make known or not

Like I've said my issues don't lie with mappers skill or lack of , it's the pricing
I'm not convinced of

MartynJ

Do you question your Doctors salary when you see him too ?
How about your dentists ?
What about the school teachers who give your children their education ?

What the hell makes you think you have the right to question what professionals charge to do a proper job of something ?
Some of us have spent vast sums of money on the equipment we use, have given up higher paid jobs to persue a career we enjoy. We aren't all out to rip people off in many circumstances charging far less than we should, not more.

The Pink Ninja

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Its not down to me to give costing on other peoples work i`m sure if you want to know you could ask the parties involved,

The Ecutek map that is on my spec-c was done via powerstation in 2006 and was £550 + vat, I enquired about a map tweek on mine using Ecutek as its already installed and was quoted more than double what Dave got charged for tweeking both of his maps for numerous changes his car has undergone to the already installed map.

toneh

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The audacity or comparisons between mappers , doctors , dentists , teachers , to put or compare mapping and mappers to those professions is absolutely ludicrous
And giving up a higher paid job to persue a career you enjoy goes no way to explain the cost
And with due respect the investment cost for mobile mapping is peanuts
As Paul (zen ) explained using you're own fixed premises with dyno ect does represent a larger investment and is understandable that these costs do have to be recouped , but in a lot of cases this overhead does not apply

toneh

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Ok here's a question To the mappers

A guy comes to me with his car and says I've put a decat exhaust on , can you map it for me and check its ok

So laptop & w/b , det cans in hand
I check over scalings , Afrs ,tweak wgdc , t/boost , fueling ,Ect , afrs are all good , timing all good , no det , he's happy got a little more power and he knows his cars safe

How much do you recommend I charge and what's considered vfm

Jolly Green Monster

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I think you need to start paying for advertising Tone

Jolly Green Monster

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Tweaking your own map or mapping it from scratch are two different things

The Pink Ninja

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I realise that Simon, I was saying for a Map tweek on my currently installed Ecutek which only has one map I was quoted double what Andy charged for tweeking both of Daves maps on his already installed map due to numerous changes his car had undergone recently

Obviously a full map install is a totally different to this which i realise takes longer to set up so relates to the overall cost.

toneh

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Simon I swear on my kids lives I've got no intention whatsoever , it is a hobby and have no interest in it turning into anything more
I've been asked already numerous times , and also by Somone you have done work for , and I've refused and recommend they stick with yourself

As I have found out before , once you progress you're hobby to buisness it takes on a whole new angle , for me anyway

toneh

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IMHO too much mate

If there is no traveling or minimal and the car is good to start ,I reckon nearer the £150 mark

Truss

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Tony, you seem like a top bloke, and I do sort of get what you're on about, however, I think martyn above has put into words what I think about it.
Unfortunately for us car entusiasts, tuning cars is a luxury, and as such I kind of expect to have to pay good money for a professionals service.
I personally have neither the time, equipment or inclination to want to map my own car. I don't want a dead engine for my own lack of knowledge/tightfistedness.
Im sure we all knew what we were going to have to pay before we started pissing about with our subarus.
I personally use duncan, i was chuffed with the remap he did, and i can fire a random PM at him with various questions regarding future tuning and he always replays with the info i need. Worth every penny imo.

I had a SEAT before my impreza, in the VAG world there is no real custom mapping untill your into big turbo changes. General cost is around £300 for a quick flash of a generic "stage 1/2" map. 30mins in and out.
Compare that for value for money. I was pretty pissed when i was on and off the rolling road and mapped in 45 mins and 300 notes lighter.

The Pink Ninja

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It was a bit tongue in cheek mate, Hence the

£150 would be a bargain, But its a bit like a January sale at a petrol station as in its not going to happen, Not that i wouldnt welcome it though

toneh

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I'm not really promoting DIY mapping mate because I totally understand it certainly not for everyone
But as the example i posted above what equates to basically a tweak can cost £300 , but is not worth £300 IMHO , like I've said before it means the guy that's fitted a £250 exhaust then could pay over that to make sure it's all good and That doesn't represent what I would call good vfm