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Like Shaid says you have to talk to Hamas. They are the elected government in Gaza. And Fatah as well.
People don't want to talk to Hamas because:
"it's their stated AIM to wipe out the state of Israel and push the Israelis into the sea."
Yet they are happy to shake hands with Israel who have wiped out the state of Palestine (it's on the map of the Holy (?) Land in my KJV Bible printed in the 1940s but it ain't there now).
And in building it's southern buffer zone / no man's land Israel has driven 1.8 million Palestinians into a 6 mile wide strip on the edge the sea.
Many on on here keep pointing out that Hamas has talked about doing it but don't seem to have noticed that Israel have actually done it.
And why would Netanyahu consider a two state solution when a real Palestine state could have it's own army and weapons and Israel would lose its carefully consructed wide buffer zones of a neutered Lebanon to the North, an unarmed, chaotic West Bank to the East and the hell hole that's Gaza to the South?
Like Shaid says you have to talk to Hamas. They are the elected government in Gaza. And Fatah as well.
People don't want to talk to Hamas because:
"it's their stated AIM to wipe out the state of Israel and push the Israelis into the sea."
Yet they are happy to shake hands with Israel who have wiped out the state of Palestine (it's on the map of the Holy (?) Land in my KJV Bible printed in the 1940s but it ain't there now).
And in building it's southern buffer zone / no man's land Israel has driven 1.8 million Palestinians into a 6 mile wide strip on the edge the sea.
Many on on here keep pointing out that Hamas has talked about doing it but don't seem to have noticed that Israel have actually done it.
And why would Netanyahu consider a two state solution when a real Palestine state could have it's own army and weapons and Israel would lose its carefully consructed wide buffer zones of a neutered Lebanon to the North, an unarmed, chaotic West Bank to the East and the hell hole that's Gaza to the South?
If there's a two state solution to be had then great, but my observations over the last decade or so tell me Hamas are paranoid, irrational and fatalist. They're Islamists.
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Hamas Covenant
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
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PMSL aw that was a great response.
So true aswell.
Israel are trying to steal land from them in the west bank as well as from syria in the golon heights
Maybe if israel stopped trying to steal everyone's land they would not get over sized fireworks fired at them.
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@Einstein RA's analogy is the best description of the Israel / (Land Formerly Known as) Palestine situation today.
@JTaylor
"Israel is the underdog"?
Well, I guess I'm forced to agree if you mean in the sense that Arnie, the indestructable, unstoppable killing machine in Terminator I is the underdog 'cos there was of one of him and millions of humans!
Major talked to the IRA.
Blair talked to IRA Sein Fein.
US & Britain are talking to the Taliban.
Sometimes, if you really want peace, you've got to hold your nose and sit down and talk to people you don't like.
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"Israel is the underdog"?
Well, I guess I'm forced to agree if you mean in the sense that Arnie, the indestructable, unstoppable killing machine in Terminator I is the underdog 'cos there was of one of him and millions of humans!
Major talked to the IRA.
Blair talked to IRA Sein Fein.
US & Britain are talking to the Taliban.
Sometimes, if you really want peace, you've got to hold your nose and sit down and talk to people you don't like.
Perhaps they need to break down all the barriers and rename the whole area Pasreal or Isralestine, mix them all up in different areas and tell them to play nice, stop firisng missiles and blowing up public transport, point out what a bunch of ***** they look to the rest of the world, even by Middle Eastern Standards.
Well then they can carry on blowing ****e out of each other generation upon generation, every year or two people dying for no apparent reason, buses blowing up, is it a turf war as to be fair they seem to have enough space, the middle east is pretty big. Just seems to me, I have been around 42 years and the middle east has been "simmering" as long as I can remember, plus a long time before,, it is pure tragic comedy, sabre rattling and posturing for no apparent gain, nobody will ever "win", even the IRA have realised that.
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@Einstein RA's analogy is the best description of the Israel / (Land Formerly Known as) Palestine situation today.
@JTaylor
"Israel is the underdog"?
Well, I guess I'm forced to agree if you mean in the sense that Arnie, the indestructable, unstoppable killing machine in Terminator I is the underdog 'cos there was of one of him and millions of humans!
Major talked to the IRA.
Blair talked to IRA Sein Fein.
US & Britain are talking to the Taliban.
Sometimes, if you really want peace, you've got to hold your nose and sit down and talk to people you don't like.
@JTaylor
"Israel is the underdog"?
Well, I guess I'm forced to agree if you mean in the sense that Arnie, the indestructable, unstoppable killing machine in Terminator I is the underdog 'cos there was of one of him and millions of humans!
Major talked to the IRA.
Blair talked to IRA Sein Fein.
US & Britain are talking to the Taliban.
Sometimes, if you really want peace, you've got to hold your nose and sit down and talk to people you don't like.
The zionists are hardly paragons of virtue. It is because of them Hamas exists, desperate people resort to desperate measures.
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Hamas are an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood who were formed in 1923 and Israel came in to being in its modern incarnation in 1948. Additionally, are 'Zionists' responsible for the dozens and dozens of other milignant Islamist death-cults bringing misery across the planet? Who's to blame for the murder of Shia across your homeland over the last few days? Israel is infinitely more developed and civilised than any other nation in that region...your brethren ought to be looking to emulate them, Maz, not throw stones at them.
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lets me honest. its israel's own fault the crap they get.
if they stuck to inside the borders that where given to them instead of trying to steal more land from country's that are around it, then maybe it could be seen as not there fault.
until they stop the stealing and give back other peoples land they deserve all that gets thrown there way.
if they stuck to inside the borders that where given to them instead of trying to steal more land from country's that are around it, then maybe it could be seen as not there fault.
until they stop the stealing and give back other peoples land they deserve all that gets thrown there way.
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lets me honest. its israel's own fault the crap they get.
if they stuck to inside the borders that where given to them instead of trying to steal more land from country's that are around it, then maybe it could be seen as not there fault.
until they stop the stealing and give back other peoples land they deserve all that gets thrown there way.
if they stuck to inside the borders that where given to them instead of trying to steal more land from country's that are around it, then maybe it could be seen as not there fault.
until they stop the stealing and give back other peoples land they deserve all that gets thrown there way.
There - in or at that place.
Hamas are an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood who were formed in 1923 and Israel came in to being in its modern incarnation in 1948. Additionally, are 'Zionists' responsible for the dozens and dozens of other milignant Islamist death-cults bringing misery across the planet? Who's to blame for the murder of Shia across your homeland over the last few days? Israel is infinitely more developed and civilised than any other nation in that region...your brethren ought to be looking to emulate them, Maz, not throw stones at them.
If greed, zealousness and land grabbing is your idea of being civilised then I'm glad my ''brethren' don't seek to emulate yours.
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Secterianism isn't confined to one religion group, there is no excuse, justification or mandate for this insidious behaviour however. The same applies to any act of terrorism perpetrated under any religious or political banner.
If greed, zealousness and land grabbing is your idea of being civilised then I'm glad my ''brethren' don't seek to emulate yours.
If greed, zealousness and land grabbing is your idea of being civilised then I'm glad my ''brethren' don't seek to emulate yours.
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To start with, why do the news channels ask Tony Blair for his advice on conflict in the Middle East? It’s like asking Gary Glitter for advice on what to do about Jimmy Savile.
But somehow it fits with the rest of the coverage. A report yesterday morning began with the sentence: “Rockets have continued to be fired from both sides...” Then, to illustrate this, we saw a demolished building in Gaza in which 11 people had perished, and a woman in Israel standing next to her car with a smashed windscreen. Which goes to show everyone’s suffering, what with three generations of a family getting wiped out on one side, and a woman having to ring Autoglass on the other. Honestly, they’re all as bad as each other.
By tomorrow, a spokesman for Israel will be on the news channels saying: “No other country would put up with this. We have citizens worried about losing no claims bonuses. If we don’t flatten their cities, what will we have to put up with next? Broken wing mirrors? Dents in passenger doors? Have you tried getting body repairs in Tel Aviv at short notice? So we have no choice but to destroy a hospital.”
Then we’ll see the funeral for the Palestinians, followed by the car owner wailing “O my beautiful laminated darling” as her windscreen gets tipped into a bin.
The reason so many get killed, says Benjamin Netanyahu, is that Hamas “hides behind civilians”. Because it’s the duty of anyone who gets assassinated to make sure they’re in a clear, open space at all times so the cruise missile aimed at them doesn’t bump into anyone else. That’s basic health and safety, that is.
But Hamas have become even more cunning in this conflict, because the commander the Israelis were aiming at in the building in which those 11 civilians were killed wasn’t there at all. At least if he’d bothered to be where the Israelis thought he was, the civilians would have died for a reason. Now, because he had the cheek to NOT hide behind civilians, they’ve been killed for nothing. There’s no end to their devilish methods is there?
But some Israelis are working for a solution. For example ex-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s son, Gilad, wrote in The Jerusalem Post: “To accomplish victory, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.”
Even if they did drop a nuclear bomb, Netanyahu would say: “The reason so many were killed is Hamas hid Gaza behind its civilians. If they’d moved Gaza to somewhere safe like Greenland, the population would hardly notice a thing, but, as usual, Hamas cared only about propaganda.”
Then The Jerusalem Post would report “We’ve done Gaza a huge favour. Now none of their vehicles can move, so they’re spared the misery of trying to repair a broken windscreen.”
But somehow it fits with the rest of the coverage. A report yesterday morning began with the sentence: “Rockets have continued to be fired from both sides...” Then, to illustrate this, we saw a demolished building in Gaza in which 11 people had perished, and a woman in Israel standing next to her car with a smashed windscreen. Which goes to show everyone’s suffering, what with three generations of a family getting wiped out on one side, and a woman having to ring Autoglass on the other. Honestly, they’re all as bad as each other.
By tomorrow, a spokesman for Israel will be on the news channels saying: “No other country would put up with this. We have citizens worried about losing no claims bonuses. If we don’t flatten their cities, what will we have to put up with next? Broken wing mirrors? Dents in passenger doors? Have you tried getting body repairs in Tel Aviv at short notice? So we have no choice but to destroy a hospital.”
Then we’ll see the funeral for the Palestinians, followed by the car owner wailing “O my beautiful laminated darling” as her windscreen gets tipped into a bin.
The reason so many get killed, says Benjamin Netanyahu, is that Hamas “hides behind civilians”. Because it’s the duty of anyone who gets assassinated to make sure they’re in a clear, open space at all times so the cruise missile aimed at them doesn’t bump into anyone else. That’s basic health and safety, that is.
But Hamas have become even more cunning in this conflict, because the commander the Israelis were aiming at in the building in which those 11 civilians were killed wasn’t there at all. At least if he’d bothered to be where the Israelis thought he was, the civilians would have died for a reason. Now, because he had the cheek to NOT hide behind civilians, they’ve been killed for nothing. There’s no end to their devilish methods is there?
But some Israelis are working for a solution. For example ex-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s son, Gilad, wrote in The Jerusalem Post: “To accomplish victory, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.”
Even if they did drop a nuclear bomb, Netanyahu would say: “The reason so many were killed is Hamas hid Gaza behind its civilians. If they’d moved Gaza to somewhere safe like Greenland, the population would hardly notice a thing, but, as usual, Hamas cared only about propaganda.”
Then The Jerusalem Post would report “We’ve done Gaza a huge favour. Now none of their vehicles can move, so they’re spared the misery of trying to repair a broken windscreen.”
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http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...uZTfbpEkz6SQvQ
Plus, 30 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists eliminated, 19 high-level command centres, 980 underground rocket launchers, 206 smuggling tunnels, 42 Hamas operating bases, 26 weapon manufacturing and storage facilities and dozens of long-range weapons launchers and sites destroyed. In total, 1500 questions answered.
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A few days before that Palestinian threw his rucksack on to the no.142 bus, this hit the spot, too:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...uZTfbpEkz6SQvQ
Plus, 30 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists eliminated, 19 high-level command centres, 980 underground rocket launchers, 206 smuggling tunnels, 42 Hamas operating bases, 26 weapon manufacturing and storage facilities and dozens of long-range weapons launchers and sites destroyed. In total, 1500 questions answered.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...uZTfbpEkz6SQvQ
Plus, 30 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists eliminated, 19 high-level command centres, 980 underground rocket launchers, 206 smuggling tunnels, 42 Hamas operating bases, 26 weapon manufacturing and storage facilities and dozens of long-range weapons launchers and sites destroyed. In total, 1500 questions answered.
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
am pretty sure israel would be perfectly happy to flatten a school full of kids just to get the 1 hamas member inside it.
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Yes it was a great response. Bravo fanboys. You still haven't responded to the other questions Mr Einstein. Any comments on this link? http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hamas...orators-israel This action will win them a lot of support I'm sure.
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Thank you, glad you appreciate it Gus,
@Einstein RA's analogy is the best description of the Israel / (Land Formerly Known as) Palestine situation today.
Yes it was a great response. Bravo fanboys. You still haven't responded to the other questions Mr Einstein. Any comments on this link? http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hamas...orators-israel This action will win them a lot of support I'm sure.
Yes it was a great response. Bravo fanboys. You still haven't responded to the other questions Mr Einstein. Any comments on this link? http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hamas...orators-israel This action will win them a lot of support I'm sure.