Andrew carr????????
15 November 2012, 07:49 PM
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15 November 2012, 08:02 PM
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Does it really matter what software or system is used, as long as the end result is gained is satisfactory..?
I have used Andrew for the last 8 years or so on both my own cars and customers cars when I was in the trade, and always found him to be more than helpful with very good results gained.
Never had any engine blow ups, and if there has been any problems (as there tends to be with some ECU's) he has always sorted it out.
I have always used the OEM ecu route on my own cars, mapped using whatever Open Source system/software Andrew cared to use. It is of no importance to me whatsoever so long as the results are acheived.
Indeed I never bothered to ask, because I don't think it is relevant.
FWIW, I have had/driven/experienced many Subaru's mapped by other tuners in the Subaru world (of which there are not in fact that many) and always found Andrew's results to be extremely comparable, and far better, than many out there.
I have used Andrew for the last 8 years or so on both my own cars and customers cars when I was in the trade, and always found him to be more than helpful with very good results gained.
Never had any engine blow ups, and if there has been any problems (as there tends to be with some ECU's) he has always sorted it out.
I have always used the OEM ecu route on my own cars, mapped using whatever Open Source system/software Andrew cared to use. It is of no importance to me whatsoever so long as the results are acheived.
Indeed I never bothered to ask, because I don't think it is relevant.
FWIW, I have had/driven/experienced many Subaru's mapped by other tuners in the Subaru world (of which there are not in fact that many) and always found Andrew's results to be extremely comparable, and far better, than many out there.
15 November 2012, 08:02 PM
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15 November 2012, 08:07 PM
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http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=36&t=9015
Although I use Carr and find him top notch and can't fault him, but there seems to be a naughty thing he has done, ( but un-proven ATM)
15 November 2012, 08:16 PM
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Using OS roms in itself is not a bad thing, it is the fact he has used the developed SD method which is a hell of a lot different to the normal download rom of car, modify and reload using ecuflash or whatever. The rest of the tactics are low. I noticed his site has removed the link, he doesnt have to explain on here or wherever but it certainly wouldnt do his business much good if left though.
15 November 2012, 08:18 PM
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I couldnt give a flying **** ! my map is bang on, by my *** dyno and on the rolling rd its showing its great, all fueling, boost, AFR is great, job done in my mind. For what its worth, ive seen a car today that another specialist on this site got a grilling over, and having listened to it, and looked at it (im talking about the engine only here) i really cannot see what the problem with it was, sounds sweet and looks sweet, forums are a nightmare for throwing things out there, instead of bitching about something that has not yet been proven why cant someone ask Andrew directly ?
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15 November 2012, 08:34 PM
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I couldnt give a flying **** ! my map is bang on, by my *** dyno and on the rolling rd its showing its great, all fueling, boost, AFR is great, job done in my mind. For what its worth, ive seen a car today that another specialist on this site got a grilling over, and having listened to it, and looked at it (im talking about the engine only here) i really cannot see what the problem with it was, sounds sweet and looks sweet, forums are a nightmare for throwing things out there, instead of bitching about something that has not yet been proven why cant someone ask Andrew directly ?
I'm sure he's fully aware what's happening here and may just be picking his moment to comment on SN, and then again he might not.
However good or bad a job he's done on your car isn't the issue here. The issue here is passing someone elses work off as entirely your own, namely the creation of SuperROM. SuperROM is Carberry, one and the same, and hasn't been altered, as A Carr has said it has to be more stable, when there was nothing unstable about Carberry in the first place!! It just requires a lot more time and effort and head scratching plus patience to tune. It can't be done in a couple of hours to any degree of real satisfaction.
15 November 2012, 08:44 PM
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I think they already have but he's not replying to his emails for starters.
I'm sure he's fully aware what's happening here and may just be picking his moment to comment on SN, and then again he might not.
However good or bad a job he's done on your car isn't the issue here. The issue here is passing someone elses work off as entirely your own, namely the creation of SuperROM. SuperROM is Carberry, one and the same, and hasn't been altered, as A Carr has said it has to be more stable, when there was nothing unstable about Carberry in the first place!! It just requires a lot more time and effort and head scratching plus patience to tune. It can't be done in a couple of hours to any degree of real satisfaction.
I'm sure he's fully aware what's happening here and may just be picking his moment to comment on SN, and then again he might not.
However good or bad a job he's done on your car isn't the issue here. The issue here is passing someone elses work off as entirely your own, namely the creation of SuperROM. SuperROM is Carberry, one and the same, and hasn't been altered, as A Carr has said it has to be more stable, when there was nothing unstable about Carberry in the first place!! It just requires a lot more time and effort and head scratching plus patience to tune. It can't be done in a couple of hours to any degree of real satisfaction.
15 November 2012, 08:51 PM
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Does it really matter what software or system is used, as long as the end result is gained is satisfactory..?
I have used Andrew for the last 8 years or so on both my own cars and customers cars when I was in the trade, and always found him to be more than helpful with very good results gained.
Never had any engine blow ups, and if there has been any problems (as there tends to be with some ECU's) he has always sorted it out.
I have always used the OEM ecu route on my own cars, mapped using whatever Open Source system/software Andrew cared to use. It is of no importance to me whatsoever so long as the results are acheived.
Indeed I never bothered to ask, because I don't think it is relevant.
FWIW, I have had/driven/experienced many Subaru's mapped by other tuners in the Subaru world (of which there are not in fact that many) and always found Andrew's results to be extremely comparable, and far better, than many out there.
I have used Andrew for the last 8 years or so on both my own cars and customers cars when I was in the trade, and always found him to be more than helpful with very good results gained.
Never had any engine blow ups, and if there has been any problems (as there tends to be with some ECU's) he has always sorted it out.
I have always used the OEM ecu route on my own cars, mapped using whatever Open Source system/software Andrew cared to use. It is of no importance to me whatsoever so long as the results are acheived.
Indeed I never bothered to ask, because I don't think it is relevant.
FWIW, I have had/driven/experienced many Subaru's mapped by other tuners in the Subaru world (of which there are not in fact that many) and always found Andrew's results to be extremely comparable, and far better, than many out there.
At least he donated $80 though lol
Maybe it's all Andrew's work and he'll come on and explain, afterall it's 'better' so it must be
I don't really see what he gains from renaming it and saying it's his own? I mean carbibbles is happy for it to be used anyway, the end customer is happy because he's saved a couple of hundred quid over ecutek so why bother?
I know one thing, if I was mapping and getting £300 a shot using this guys creation I'd donate 10% every single time!
15 November 2012, 09:04 PM
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I seem to have unintentionally caused a sh*t storm here for which I am genuinely sorry.
I am not trying to pass off the Carberry ROM as my own work and anyone who inquires about it is told that it is an opensource development. Nowhere on the information page nor in person have I ever claimed that it is my own work.
Additionally I have never claimed that the Carberry ROM was unstable, however, one of the reasons for using another name was because other parties in the UK regularly undermine OpenSource mapping and the Carberry ROM is no exception!
Andrew...
case closed ?
ps andy is mapping mine in the morning
I am not trying to pass off the Carberry ROM as my own work and anyone who inquires about it is told that it is an opensource development. Nowhere on the information page nor in person have I ever claimed that it is my own work.
Additionally I have never claimed that the Carberry ROM was unstable, however, one of the reasons for using another name was because other parties in the UK regularly undermine OpenSource mapping and the Carberry ROM is no exception!
Andrew...
case closed ?
ps andy is mapping mine in the morning
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15 November 2012, 09:59 PM
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If what sccobiewrx says on the romRaider site is true, he's been asked if it's Carberry and "categorically said no every time and stated that superRom is his own work"
Sounds like he's been rumbled but silly really as it was pointless doing it anyway as everyone that's been mapped by him probably wouldn't give two hoots if it's carberry, gooseberry or steveberry!
Sounds like he's been rumbled but silly really as it was pointless doing it anyway as everyone that's been mapped by him probably wouldn't give two hoots if it's carberry, gooseberry or steveberry!
15 November 2012, 10:07 PM
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Who have they asked in this short space of time though???
And where is the evidence of these roumers?
No offence but that scoobie guy is going in all guns blazing, now that andy has spoken let him and the bibbles sort it out, without jumping on the band wagon as per usual.
And where is the evidence of these roumers?
No offence but that scoobie guy is going in all guns blazing, now that andy has spoken let him and the bibbles sort it out, without jumping on the band wagon as per usual.
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15 November 2012, 10:10 PM
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If what sccobiewrx says on the romRaider site is true, he's been asked if it's Carberry and "categorically said no every time and stated that superRom is his own work"
Sounds like he's been rumbled but silly really as it was pointless doing it anyway as everyone that's been mapped by him probably wouldn't give two hoots if it's carberry, gooseberry or steveberry!
Sounds like he's been rumbled but silly really as it was pointless doing it anyway as everyone that's been mapped by him probably wouldn't give two hoots if it's carberry, gooseberry or steveberry!
Coat!
15 November 2012, 10:16 PM
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I seem to have unintentionally caused a sh*t storm here for which I am genuinely sorry.
I am not trying to pass off the Carberry ROM as my own work and anyone who inquires about it is told that it is an opensource development. Nowhere on the information page nor in person have I ever claimed that it is my own work.
Additionally I have never claimed that the Carberry ROM was unstable, however, one of the reasons for using another name was because other parties in the UK regularly undermine OpenSource mapping and the Carberry ROM is no exception!
Andrew...
case closed ?
ps andy is mapping mine in the morning
I am not trying to pass off the Carberry ROM as my own work and anyone who inquires about it is told that it is an opensource development. Nowhere on the information page nor in person have I ever claimed that it is my own work.
Additionally I have never claimed that the Carberry ROM was unstable, however, one of the reasons for using another name was because other parties in the UK regularly undermine OpenSource mapping and the Carberry ROM is no exception!
Andrew...
case closed ?
ps andy is mapping mine in the morning
So when I've asked mappers can we have some honesty all we have recieved is bull ,,,, why have none stood up and said yeah it's fine to use , instead of underhanded keeping a low profile and dismissing It as bug riddled , unstable ect yet all the time using it for themselves on the sly
And you think Andy Carr is the only one
Those of us using it know it's fine , as for the rest of you
SUCKERS
15 November 2012, 10:21 PM
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So each time myself or another member has been given a slagging for using said rom or similar , it was known that it was all a load of bolloxks
So when I've asked mappers can we have some honesty all we have recieved is bull ,,,, why have none stood up and said yeah it's fine to use , instead of underhanded keeping a low profile and dismissing It as bug riddled , unstable ect yet all the time using it for themselves on the sly
And you think Andy Carr is the only one
Those of us using it know it's fine , as for the rest of you
SUCKERS
So when I've asked mappers can we have some honesty all we have recieved is bull ,,,, why have none stood up and said yeah it's fine to use , instead of underhanded keeping a low profile and dismissing It as bug riddled , unstable ect yet all the time using it for themselves on the sly
And you think Andy Carr is the only one
Those of us using it know it's fine , as for the rest of you
SUCKERS
+1Me personally I'd Rather use andy for os than to pay for ecutek anyday but diffrent price
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15 November 2012, 10:36 PM
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no doubt this will get quickly brushed under the carpet ,
But I think it's been a valuable lesson
Do not take everything mappers say as gospel ( proven with this thread )
It is not the first time mappers have said oh no you can't do that , but in reality they do it
Themselves
And yet again a massive lack of input by the usuall names ( still hiding maybe )
Then crawl back out when they sniff some work
Makes me sick
But I think it's been a valuable lesson
Do not take everything mappers say as gospel ( proven with this thread )
It is not the first time mappers have said oh no you can't do that , but in reality they do it
Themselves
And yet again a massive lack of input by the usuall names ( still hiding maybe )
Then crawl back out when they sniff some work
Makes me sick
15 November 2012, 10:40 PM
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Who have they asked in this short space of time though???
And where is the evidence of these roumers?
No offence but that scoobie guy is going in all guns blazing, now that andy has spoken let him and the bibbles sort it out, without jumping on the band wagon as per usual.
And where is the evidence of these roumers?
No offence but that scoobie guy is going in all guns blazing, now that andy has spoken let him and the bibbles sort it out, without jumping on the band wagon as per usual.
There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.
It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.
If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.
Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.
Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.
Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!
FPMSL!!
15 November 2012, 11:02 PM
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Nobody is jumping on any bandwagons here busta
There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.
It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.
If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.
Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.
Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.
Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!
FPMSL!!
There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.
It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.
If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.
Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.
Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.
Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!
FPMSL!!
So for those maybe thinking of o/s it has maybe cast doubt
This as now played straight into mr carrs hands as the perfect excuse
Yet all along knowing its fine ( as others do )
Why the hell don't they grow a set , stand up and say , hey there's a new rom called carberry its new but looking good , do you want to try it !
Every one wins carbibbles gets his credit + his minimal £
The customer gets what is described on the tin , the mapper does a good job Keeps his reputation and everyone's a winner
But no , let's shroud it all in secrecy , build ourselves up as superrom super mappers , take every scrap of credit and all the cash we can get
Carry on guys because you've already picked up the Gun , it won't be long till you've shot your foot ,
15 November 2012, 11:04 PM
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I just want to re-state that I am not trying to say that AndrewCarr is a bad tuner (I have no idea how well he tunes), and I have no problem with people mapping with the CarBerry ROM. But to change the name and take credit for the ROM, that is definitely wrong, especially to say the CarBerry ROM is flawed and their ROM is better when they are using the CarBerry ROM to being with!
Just as an addition to this, because I think some people don't have a complete understanding of how mapping works.
There are two parts to a rom, the logic and then the maps. When somebody maps/tunes a car they are changing the maps within the rom. The maps determine how much fuel is injected and when the spark is fired (as well as other things). A mapper generally does not change the logic(sometimes referred to as "firmware"). The logic is all the computations and control that makes everything run, it takes the data from the maps and controls the injectors and coils(along with all the other sensors and outputs) to achieve what the data is asking for. The CarBerry ROM is basically a modified logic/firmware to add features and change the way things are computed, as well as having more maps that have been defined or "discovered". All stock ECU roms are based on the original subaru/denso programming.
Just as an addition to this, because I think some people don't have a complete understanding of how mapping works.
There are two parts to a rom, the logic and then the maps. When somebody maps/tunes a car they are changing the maps within the rom. The maps determine how much fuel is injected and when the spark is fired (as well as other things). A mapper generally does not change the logic(sometimes referred to as "firmware"). The logic is all the computations and control that makes everything run, it takes the data from the maps and controls the injectors and coils(along with all the other sensors and outputs) to achieve what the data is asking for. The CarBerry ROM is basically a modified logic/firmware to add features and change the way things are computed, as well as having more maps that have been defined or "discovered". All stock ECU roms are based on the original subaru/denso programming.
15 November 2012, 11:11 PM
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Nobody is jumping on any bandwagons here busta
There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.
It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.
If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.
Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.
Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.
Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!
FPMSL!!
There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.
It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.
If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.
Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.
Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.
Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!
FPMSL!!
Andy has appolagised for any confusion and I'm sure if he was doing wrong then he won't be doing it again will he? After all this. People live and learn and like I said earlier there are other mappers that probably doing the same as there has been mocking of the carberry rom on here by certain mappers and not andy and he has no snet account.
Regards
15 November 2012, 11:18 PM
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By guys that have put a lot of work into
15 November 2012, 11:23 PM
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Mr Carr replying to scoobiewrx55
Scoobywrx, you obviously have a personal problem with me:
"People need to know he is a lying scumbag and a rip-off merchant, end of!!"
"Andrew Carr.....You have been exposed as a lying, cheating, double-dealing Rogue Trader!!"
"I'm reliably informed he can't even map a MAF tuned car safely so god only knows how he he is going to manage with this. I know a well known engine builder that has some engines in for repair that were apparently mapped by this chap and there are unhappy customers out there not singing his praises on ScoobyNet and other forums so not good for the rep of other Open Source tuners that do a good job in the UK."
That's a very hurtful personal attack, I would hate to think that anyone thinks so poorly of me. Assuming you are in the UK, please get in touch to discuss whatever issues you may have with me.
Scooby can you explain in bold as I have not seen any threads or posts with people having problems with their cars due to andy mapping them?
Regards
Scoobywrx, you obviously have a personal problem with me:
"People need to know he is a lying scumbag and a rip-off merchant, end of!!"
"Andrew Carr.....You have been exposed as a lying, cheating, double-dealing Rogue Trader!!"
"I'm reliably informed he can't even map a MAF tuned car safely so god only knows how he he is going to manage with this. I know a well known engine builder that has some engines in for repair that were apparently mapped by this chap and there are unhappy customers out there not singing his praises on ScoobyNet and other forums so not good for the rep of other Open Source tuners that do a good job in the UK."
That's a very hurtful personal attack, I would hate to think that anyone thinks so poorly of me. Assuming you are in the UK, please get in touch to discuss whatever issues you may have with me.
Scooby can you explain in bold as I have not seen any threads or posts with people having problems with their cars due to andy mapping them?
Regards
15 November 2012, 11:33 PM
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Because some of the reasons given for the cost is the proven tested super roms Used , which Is not always the case ( as seen In this case ) That's not to say its not Good By any means And it's been distributed free / honour system donations
By guys that have put a lot of work into
By guys that have put a lot of work into
Ive had both os map and ecutek, and for the os map they charged me £300 for 1st map to, not any diff to me