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Old Sep 30, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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Oh, always 2 maps for the hills, a 1:25000 and a 1:50000, off line maps for emergencies
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Old Sep 30, 2012 | 07:20 PM
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You can't beat offline maps, but I need big boy maps when I'm off in the hills so google just won't do. Plenty of real apps in the App Store.

Very minimal data usage so far, couple of meg, good work Apple. You may have put Vernons Dog Grooming on the wrong side of the road, but I can forgive you that and appreciate the bigger picture.
It's not just that though, it puts things local to me 20 miles out of place.
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Old Sep 30, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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Same obvious reply as mine, maps.google.com for the very rare occasion you may want to see your neighbours dog in your back garden.
You keep using the "dog in garden" argument, is this really all you used google maps for ?? Other people have other uses for it, now it's not fit for purpose and you're still defending it, when even apple have said its massive pile of poo !! Or words to that effect !

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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 08:57 AM
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He will just keep poking you lot with a stick and you will all keep on reacting.

That is all he does.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:05 AM
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Apple maps is utterly gash. Its why Tim Cook wrote and apologised to apple users. Its why he said to use Google Maps.

The worse thing about it is that previously where the API called in Google maps, it now calls in Apple maps - Meaning you are stuck with it in certain situations.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Boro
Sorry, make than 35% scratched out of the box!

http://www.mygreatphone.com/apple-ip...ched-from-box/
An online poll at mac rumour of 1200 people does not correspond in any way to the 2 million plus sold. People that had an issue are far more likely to repsond and it is not a controlled cross section.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:19 AM
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[QUOTE=PeteBrant;10809773]Apple maps is utterly gash. Its why Tim Cook wrote and apologised to apple users. Its why he said to use Google Maps.

The worse thing about it is that previously where the API called in Google maps, it now calls in Apple maps - Meaning you are stuck with it in certain situations.

Apple ******* it up for everyone again ?

well there's a surprise
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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Jacks quiet this morning?


Lost I suppose
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:53 AM
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/apple/w..._override=true

Well worth a read.

Two collegues this morning with perfect iPhones, one has two daughters, both with perfect iPhones.

iOS maps was perfect on my journey to France, no mistakes, minimal data usage and great traffic reports.

Online surveys are a waste of time, I can see a good few people on this thread and the whole PR department at Samsung clicking the 'Damaged' button.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 09:53 AM
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Or eating the 'chips' kindly provided by the new iPhone 5.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:02 AM
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Loving how the authour writes off literally millions of man hours that google has put into google maps - The steet view cars, the sattellite images, the fly overs as something Apple can replicate within a few months.

It will take years for Apple to catch up.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:13 AM
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You think Google took Satellite images? LOL. They buy them and money isn't short at Apple.

Street view and Satellite images are examples of looking for your Dog, not exactly important.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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And Flyby is an examples of really wanting to be a pilot when you grew up...

If you don't think satellite images are useful, why would you think Apple would want to have them?

Actually, I find street view very useful. If I'm visiting a new place and want to get an idea of the area, or visiting someones house I've not been to before, and want to see what the street is like for parking it's a very good tool to have. More useful than a flyby I would say. Just because Apple Maps does not have it....
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:27 AM
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42 pages, really? Can't we get back to talking about dump valve, induction kits, massive zorsts and stickers, please!
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
You think Google took Satellite images? LOL. They buy them and money isn't short at Apple.

Street view and Satellite images are examples of looking for your Dog, not exactly important.
I thought Google had a big deal with the satellite company, GeoEye?

Of course they buy their images, but making them work together is the trick and yes, it has taken google a long time. Apple will be playing catch up for a number of years.

As for your repeated 'looking for a dog' comment, aren't details important to you?
I thought that was something that you looked for in a device and something that Apple (up until now) delivered?

It is ok trying to troll, but at least have some consistancy in your arguments young man.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
You think Google took Satellite images? LOL. They buy them and money isn't short at Apple.

Street view and Satellite images are examples of looking for your Dog, not exactly important.
No, I don't think Google took the sattelite images. But. If they are so easy to get hold of and stitch together, then why didn;t apple use them?

Sattelite images are not examples of looking for your dog. They give you a real world view of your location - its incredibly handy when you have a less detailed map - Such as the ****e Apple maps.

Presumably you feel the Apple 3D view of major cities is a complete waste of time?

Google have spent million of dollars and millions of man hours creating the premier mapping service availble. And apple can recreate this in a few months? I'd love to see it, I really would - Because I have to use the absolutle clusterfvck that is Apple maps, but there is just no way they can do it - There just isn't anough time available. As rich as Apple are, they can't just buy more time.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 10:33 AM
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Here's that apology:

To our customers,

At Apple, we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customers. With the launch of our new Maps last week, we fell short on this commitment. We are extremely sorry for the frustration this has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better.

We launched Maps initially with the first version of iOS. As time progressed, we wanted to provide our customers with even better Maps including features such as turn-by-turn directions, voice integration, Flyover and vector-based maps. In order to do this, we had to create a new version of Maps from the ground up.

There are already more than 100 million iOS devices using the new Apple Maps, with more and more joining us every day. In just over a week, iOS users with the new Maps have already searched for nearly half a billion locations. The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get and we greatly appreciate all of the feedback we have received from you.

While we’re improving Maps, you can try alternatives by downloading map apps from the App Store like Bing, MapQuest and Waze, or use Google or Nokia maps by going to their websites and creating an icon on your home screen to their web app.

Everything we do at Apple is aimed at making our products the best in the world. We know that you expect that from us, and we will keep working non-stop until Maps lives up to the same incredibly high standard.

Tim Cook
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They should never have released it in this state. Jobs certainly wouldn't have.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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I find streetview very handy on my phone, about once every two years. I've found integrated turn by turn navigation and vector based mapping useful just about every day. And guess what, I can use both now, great isn't it. 3D satellite mapping is the future, it's far more useful than Streetview. The coverage will come and it will arrive at an accelerated rate.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
I find streetview very handy on my phone, about once every two years. I've found integrated turn by turn navigation and vector based mapping useful just about every day. And guess what, I can use both now, great isn't it. 3D satellite mapping is the future, it's far more useful than Streetview. The coverage will come and it will arrive at an accelerated rate.
We'll see. Vector based 3D mapping is a great alternative to satellite views. But its no street view - The detail isn't anywhere near as good - for obvious reasons.

Out of interest - what have you found useful about vector based mapping? ANy why do yo uthink that Apple will be able to match Googles coverage at an "accelerated rate?"

In other news - Just found Maps+ on the app store. Google maps is back

http://www.redmondpie.com/get-native...ns-using-maps/
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
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They should never have released it in this state. Jobs certainly wouldn't have.
And you think this will change Jack's perception of Apple how exactly?
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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Vector mapping is nothing to do with Satellite it's a way of drawing standard maps that requires drastically less data, I would not have dreamed of using the old bitmap tiles to drive across Europe, the cost would have been staggering.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 11:51 AM
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I can't imagine driving across europe without a dedicated satnav, why would you?
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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I didn't. I had a tomtom as backup, but didn't need to use it and it's out of date anyhow. TomTom provide the data to Apple they know a bit about in car navigation, been at it for years.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 12:10 PM
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Mine is also out of date, but I'd rather update it than buy a holder for the phone and peer at a 3" display.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 01:16 PM
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Duct tape it close to your head, save yourself £100.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 01:32 PM
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Well Crapple Maps amongst other complaints have cost them 4.5% market capital, that's about $30bn down since the launch of iPhone 5/iOS6.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 01:52 PM
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Well Crapple Maps amongst other complaints have cost them 4.5% market capital, that's about $30bn down since the launch of iPhone 5/iOS6.
How do you come to that conclusion? The Share price is still higher that at any point in company history pre-september
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Vector mapping is nothing to do with Satellite it's a way of drawing standard maps that requires drastically less data, I would not have dreamed of using the old bitmap tiles to drive across Europe, the cost would have been staggering.
You do know that Google Maps on Android went vector-based nearly 2 years ago, right?
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 02:01 PM
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Love some of the icrapple users comments of "well, i dont use a computerised map, it isnt accurate enough".

Not with a Icrapple it isnt boys. I dont know why you dont all just give up and realise you've bought a duffer.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Beef
You do know that Google Maps on Android went vector-based nearly 2 years ago, right?
And you do know that was a good move right?
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