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28 January 2012, 08:23 PM
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I've just realised we've lost our workshop manuals in the tech topics archive 
Lucky slipstream has them backed up onto mediafire.
Oh well...get them whilst they are still there, or forever be at the mercy of the main dealers for technical information on your own car
Lucky slipstream has them backed up onto mediafire.
Oh well...get them whilst they are still there, or forever be at the mercy of the main dealers for technical information on your own car
29 January 2012, 12:01 AM
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I really cannot undertsand why so many people on here seem to go some way to advocating piracy either directly or in a roundabout fashion.
29 January 2012, 01:56 PM
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I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.
It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.
29 January 2012, 02:36 PM
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I would honestly like to agree. But (and there is always a but), some of USA's richest people in the media/music/film/software sectors have meddlings that muddy the morality of it all.
I'm all for protecting the little guy be it a muscian, artist or software coder, as well as the consumer. However the ones in control couldn't care less, the small fry is ignored regardless of who hey are or what they do. As otherwise something would have happened alot sooner. The only voices that are heard are those of multi-billion dollar enterprises which have the political clout/leverage to cry foul when their balance sheets don't look as healthy.
I'd happily change my mind if the consumer is allowed more rights. For example, the Cinema giving me a refund for every shyte film I've walked out on before the end, or HMV to refund a DVD/CD/tape/LP/Book I purchased that was rubbish. Or refund on purchased software that was a buggy crashy load of tosh (like windows XPx64 and ME
). I could go on.
Does the above justify piracy? Of course it doesn't. However its a fight that partially serves the consumer's corner. Without it, we wouldn't have Apple converting pirate music into legal music. It also allows for freeware that has to use copyright/patented code thats need to actually work (i.e some free audio or video editing software requiring certain codecs). Not to forget jailbreaking...that was claimed to infringe copyright....Apple lost on that one. Rooting suffered the same issues (however the copyright excemption is due to expire this year).
I'm all for protecting the little guy be it a muscian, artist or software coder, as well as the consumer. However the ones in control couldn't care less, the small fry is ignored regardless of who hey are or what they do. As otherwise something would have happened alot sooner. The only voices that are heard are those of multi-billion dollar enterprises which have the political clout/leverage to cry foul when their balance sheets don't look as healthy.
I'd happily change my mind if the consumer is allowed more rights. For example, the Cinema giving me a refund for every shyte film I've walked out on before the end, or HMV to refund a DVD/CD/tape/LP/Book I purchased that was rubbish. Or refund on purchased software that was a buggy crashy load of tosh (like windows XPx64 and ME
). I could go on.Does the above justify piracy? Of course it doesn't. However its a fight that partially serves the consumer's corner. Without it, we wouldn't have Apple converting pirate music into legal music. It also allows for freeware that has to use copyright/patented code thats need to actually work (i.e some free audio or video editing software requiring certain codecs). Not to forget jailbreaking...that was claimed to infringe copyright....Apple lost on that one. Rooting suffered the same issues (however the copyright excemption is due to expire this year).
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29 January 2012, 03:28 PM
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Look, I know some people work for free, you're a great example playing Forum Plod on here, but the majority of people want paying for their efforts.
I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.
It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.
I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.
It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.
I'd happily change my mind if the consumer is allowed more rights. For example, the Cinema giving me a refund for every shyte film I've walked out on before the end, or HMV to refund a DVD/CD/tape/LP/Book I purchased that was rubbish. Or refund on purchased software that was a buggy crashy load of tosh (like windows XPx64 and ME ). I could go on.
). I could go on.If you are that bothered about these purchases do your homework first and read the reviews, plenty of them out there these days.
29 January 2012, 03:43 PM
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out of interest, f1fan and jack did you watch the link from page 2:
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_..._bad_idea.html
I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_..._bad_idea.html
I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
29 January 2012, 04:00 PM
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Thing is all the hollywood studios and big record companies can get get fcuked I hate them, everything they stand for and everything they do to encourage the wrong sort of ideals and attitudes, now after thinking about it I will install torrent software, pirate their crap and give it away free to random passers by. The sooner they go under the better it is for the human race. Next time I go to a market and see a bootlegger I will reward them with cash as a reward for fighting the evil film studios and record labels.
29 January 2012, 09:30 PM
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Look, I know some people work for free, you're a great example playing Forum Plod on here, but the majority of people want paying for their efforts.
I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.
It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.
I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.
It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.
do you think creative people are primarily driven by the desire to "create" or the desire to make money? (don't cop out and say "both")
do you know the back story behind the Huffington Post?
29 January 2012, 09:51 PM
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And no, other than occasionally looking at the site and Wikipedia I don't know the story behind the Huffington Post.
29 January 2012, 10:04 PM
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I am not trying to trick you btw, it is an intersting question thats all
re huffington post, it seems it was created as a vehicle for "creative people" to create content, for free, because it seems it is a natural human condition to want exposure (think twitter and this very forum)
anyway Miss Huffington sold it for £500 million, naturally the unpaid contributors were a bit peeved
29 January 2012, 10:11 PM
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It's not an easy question to answer, but in the context of this thread they're creating the CDs/DVDs for money, obvious, but may have produced the content for love.
30 January 2012, 03:02 AM
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Its a simple thing, but its ever so important.
But hey ho, sod the consumer becuase this is a billion dollar industry where greed is good. Thatcher would be proud. Let them read biased reviews, get suckered by spangly adverts, rigged chart listings and playlists because as soon as they parted with the cash tough s**t. Another sucker another dollar.
Oh wait. What if someone under the wings of one corperate big boy rips-off some random nobody who wrote something in their attic. See how far the little guy will get when he challenges the copyright theft against the big boys. Funny how that falls on deaf ears or is torn to shreds by a team of city slicker lawers on the corperate payroll, yet when the tables are turned its arm wrestling the government to shut down the internet.
What makes a futher mockery and farce of all these laws is the manner in which they are abused by those in the industry themselve for their own gain, thankfully they didn't win this time....only thanks to a conversation being recorded: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...ights_soci.php
Then we have stupid stuff like some defunct 1960's band sueing Andy Warhol for using a copyrighted Banana (not a joke!). Please don't start me on that. What loss would you place a stolen image of a banana? If I drew it now...would I be stealing it too?
Its almost as daft as all the court cases over who has the design rights of thin black rectanglar smartphones and tablet devices.
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30 January 2012, 10:34 AM
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And sorry but that doesn't wash as nearly reviews are tosh these days. As a consumer I want the right of a full refund. Like I can get on almost anything else that falls short of my expectations.
Its a simple thing, but its ever so important.
But hey ho, sod the consumer becuase this is a billion dollar industry where greed is good. Thatcher would be proud. Let them read biased reviews, get suckered by spangly adverts, rigged chart listings and playlists because as soon as they parted with the cash tough s**t. Another sucker another dollar.
Its a simple thing, but its ever so important.
But hey ho, sod the consumer becuase this is a billion dollar industry where greed is good. Thatcher would be proud. Let them read biased reviews, get suckered by spangly adverts, rigged chart listings and playlists because as soon as they parted with the cash tough s**t. Another sucker another dollar.
I have been there, it is time consuming, costly and ultimately intensely frustrating.
I don't agree with many aspects of SOPA, but if just the threat of it sees sites providing a safe haven for pirates go out of business then that brings a nice warm feeling to my heart.
30 January 2012, 10:42 AM
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out of interest, f1fan and jack did you watch the link from page 2:
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_..._bad_idea.html
I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_..._bad_idea.html
I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
The one point I take real issue with him on in the video is the bit at the end where he says that to combat copyright theft the oweners of the copyright need to take the pirates to court via DMCA etc.
That is a wonderful little throwaway comment that does not consider relatity. To do that is extremely time consuming, costly (at least initially) and frustrating as the companies provisioning the distribution of pirated material can be obstructive or worse still completely uncommunicative.
The real solution is to stop making piracy so easy in the first place and that, in part, is why bills like SOPA are being proposed. I would much rather pirates be stopped from pirating my material than having to do the legal thing once they have done so. Is that not common sense?
30 January 2012, 10:50 AM
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Having read this thread i now fully support piracy i hope its volume increases exponentially, all this talk of the little guy getting screwed is bull**** anyway, people pirate popular stuff not poxy crap none has heard of. Also pifacy does not stop poeple selling content so calling it theft is a blatant lie, the rights holder still has a product to sell.
30 January 2012, 12:27 PM
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There is no proof but you can safely say over all the years you've never Taped Anything off the radio ,downloaded a single track illegally, borrowed a cd to rip it, use applications designed only for one license per customer.
Of course you'll say no but only you know yourself if you have.
Of course you'll say no but only you know yourself if you have.
30 January 2012, 12:37 PM
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There is no proof but you can safely say over all the years you've never Taped Anything off the radio ,downloaded a single track illegally, borrowed a cd to rip it, use applications designed only for one license per customer.
Of course you'll say no but only you know yourself if you have.
Of course you'll say no but only you know yourself if you have.
P.S. it's licence with a c not an s
