What a load of tosh.

 

I've just realised we've lost our workshop manuals in the tech topics archive

Lucky slipstream has them backed up onto mediafire.

Oh well...get them whilst they are still there, or forever be at the mercy of the main dealers for technical information on your own car

 

This is the problem. We will lose the ability to share anything in order to stop piracy. Only it won't stop piracy but we'll all be worse off for it.

 

Did you have the right to have a copy of the manusls, if yes pop them on Dropbox ... a legal service. Now what is the problem?

I really cannot undertsand why so many people on here seem to go some way to advocating piracy either directly or in a roundabout fashion.

 

All of the 'Closed' file sharing services allow still allow you to store your own files. No problems here.

 

Exactly, this is a non argument.

 

Well, given this forum has a link to workshop manuals then Sopa should get the whole forum shut down.
Yay

 

Because current law in certain situations is abused to allow cartelism to reign.

This is not about what is right. Its about money. Greed is good.

 

Look, I know some people work for free, you're a great example playing Forum Plod on here, but the majority of people want paying for their efforts.

I just don't know how anyone can even begin to defend web sites that pay people to provide links to stolen goods rather than pay the people who helped create the product.

It's one big disconnect that's way out of hand and needs reeling in, parents are teaching children that it's fine to steal. Just wrong.

 

I would honestly like to agree. But (and there is always a but), some of USA's richest people in the media/music/film/software sectors have meddlings that muddy the morality of it all.

I'm all for protecting the little guy be it a muscian, artist or software coder, as well as the consumer. However the ones in control couldn't care less, the small fry is ignored regardless of who hey are or what they do. As otherwise something would have happened alot sooner. The only voices that are heard are those of multi-billion dollar enterprises which have the political clout/leverage to cry foul when their balance sheets don't look as healthy.

I'd happily change my mind if the consumer is allowed more rights. For example, the Cinema giving me a refund for every shyte film I've walked out on before the end, or HMV to refund a DVD/CD/tape/LP/Book I purchased that was rubbish. Or refund on purchased software that was a buggy crashy load of tosh (like windows XPx64 and ME ). I could go on.

Does the above justify piracy? Of course it doesn't. However its a fight that partially serves the consumer's corner. Without it, we wouldn't have Apple converting pirate music into legal music. It also allows for freeware that has to use copyright/patented code thats need to actually work (i.e some free audio or video editing software requiring certain codecs). Not to forget jailbreaking...that was claimed to infringe copyright....Apple lost on that one. Rooting suffered the same issues (however the copyright excemption is due to expire this year).

 

Absolutely 100% hittng nail on head!!!! F**k me I dont think I have ever agreed more with a post on this forum in the 12 years I have been here!

Sorry that's just as bad as the 'I wouldn't have bought it anyway' excuse.
If you are that bothered about these purchases do your homework first and read the reviews, plenty of them out there these days.

 

out of interest, f1fan and jack did you watch the link from page 2:
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_..._bad_idea.html

I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.

 

Thing is all the hollywood studios and big record companies can get get fcuked I hate them, everything they stand for and everything they do to encourage the wrong sort of ideals and attitudes, now after thinking about it I will install torrent software, pirate their crap and give it away free to random passers by. The sooner they go under the better it is for the human race. Next time I go to a market and see a bootlegger I will reward them with cash as a reward for fighting the evil film studios and record labels.

 

What an idiot. If you don't like something why watch o listen to it.

 

interesting

do you think creative people are primarily driven by the desire to "create" or the desire to make money? (don't cop out and say "both")

do you know the back story behind the Huffington Post?

 

That would depend on the person.

And no, other than occasionally looking at the site and Wikipedia I don't know the story behind the Huffington Post.

 

well that's obvious, but i did say "creative people", so was talking in generalisations but I was expecting a more thoughtfull answer tbh


I am not trying to trick you btw, it is an intersting question thats all

re huffington post, it seems it was created as a vehicle for "creative people" to create content, for free, because it seems it is a natural human condition to want exposure (think twitter and this very forum)

anyway Miss Huffington sold it for £500 million, naturally the unpaid contributors were a bit peeved

 

It's not an easy question to answer, but in the context of this thread they're creating the CDs/DVDs for money, obvious, but may have produced the content for love.

 

agreed, not an easy one

 

And sorry but that doesn't wash as nearly reviews are tosh these days. As a consumer I want the right of a full refund. Like I can get on almost anything else that falls short of my expectations.

Its a simple thing, but its ever so important.

But hey ho, sod the consumer becuase this is a billion dollar industry where greed is good. Thatcher would be proud. Let them read biased reviews, get suckered by spangly adverts, rigged chart listings and playlists because as soon as they parted with the cash tough s**t. Another sucker another dollar.

Oh wait. What if someone under the wings of one corperate big boy rips-off some random nobody who wrote something in their attic. See how far the little guy will get when he challenges the copyright theft against the big boys. Funny how that falls on deaf ears or is torn to shreds by a team of city slicker lawers on the corperate payroll, yet when the tables are turned its arm wrestling the government to shut down the internet.

What makes a futher mockery and farce of all these laws is the manner in which they are abused by those in the industry themselve for their own gain, thankfully they didn't win this time....only thanks to a conversation being recorded: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...ights_soci.php

Then we have stupid stuff like some defunct 1960's band sueing Andy Warhol for using a copyrighted Banana (not a joke!). Please don't start me on that. What loss would you place a stolen image of a banana? If I drew it now...would I be stealing it too?

Its almost as daft as all the court cases over who has the design rights of thin black rectanglar smartphones and tablet devices.

 

Oh I see so because you have a personal vendetta against the media companies as you are unable to make sensible buying choices you want piracy to be allowed to continue unabated?

Convervsely see how far the little guy gets against the scum who steal HIS content. At least you can find the media companies to take them to court, the first problem with the DMCA legislation is that actually identifying the scum who stole your material is sometimes as good as impossible due to the companies hosting it refusing to comply with the legislation.

I have been there, it is time consuming, costly and ultimately intensely frustrating.

I don't agree with many aspects of SOPA, but if just the threat of it sees sites providing a safe haven for pirates go out of business then that brings a nice warm feeling to my heart.

 

Yes I have seen it and he makes some good points. The thing is as I have said in here I am not condoning SOPA in its current guise, but something does need to be done about piracy. As Jack say there is a generation growing up thinking stealing is the norm. It needs to stop.

The one point I take real issue with him on in the video is the bit at the end where he says that to combat copyright theft the oweners of the copyright need to take the pirates to court via DMCA etc.

That is a wonderful little throwaway comment that does not consider relatity. To do that is extremely time consuming, costly (at least initially) and frustrating as the companies provisioning the distribution of pirated material can be obstructive or worse still completely uncommunicative.

The real solution is to stop making piracy so easy in the first place and that, in part, is why bills like SOPA are being proposed. I would much rather pirates be stopped from pirating my material than having to do the legal thing once they have done so. Is that not common sense?

 

Having read this thread i now fully support piracy i hope its volume increases exponentially, all this talk of the little guy getting screwed is bull**** anyway, people pirate popular stuff not poxy crap none has heard of. Also pifacy does not stop poeple selling content so calling it theft is a blatant lie, the rights holder still has a product to sell.

 

What I find funny as these bleating on about piracy is bad, they've probably broken some sort of copyright law themselves.

 

Have we? Seeing as you are accusing me of that maybe you'd like to elaborate, if you can't please STFU!

 

There is no proof but you can safely say over all the years you've never Taped Anything off the radio ,downloaded a single track illegally, borrowed a cd to rip it, use applications designed only for one license per customer.

Of course you'll say no but only you know yourself if you have.

 

Well if the answer is 'of course I'll say No' what's the point in my answering.

P.S. it's licence with a c not an s

 

I see the fun police have been , I was only winding you up Chris

 

Yep, top class moderation once again

I know..... you pirating git

 

Now now children, play nicely.