Why we hate the iPad..
22 December 2011, 12:50 PM
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Love is a bit too strong. It more of referree's job to card whoever commits a foul or award points to those that score a 'win'.......
(note the iMac...its not in any way intentional; both side are just as bad
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(note the iMac...its not in any way intentional; both side are just as bad
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22 December 2011, 12:50 PM
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For people like me that aren't really pc literate they are ideal
I would struggle with the lap top and all it's functions and buttons and programmes
Looking at the misses laptop t he only things we actually do with it is switch it on and she looks at Facebook and occasionally checks her emails
That's why I love my iPad
It's so simple to use straight from the box
Switch on and it goes never crashes ,no virus ,no wires or cables and no instruction book to read as its so simple to understand
Even my 85 year old father can look at the Internet and photos etc
The iPad is ideal for t hat as well and this is a Hugh market for apple ,no wonder it sells so well
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
I would struggle with the lap top and all it's functions and buttons and programmes
Looking at the misses laptop t he only things we actually do with it is switch it on and she looks at Facebook and occasionally checks her emails
That's why I love my iPad
It's so simple to use straight from the box
Switch on and it goes never crashes ,no virus ,no wires or cables and no instruction book to read as its so simple to understand
Even my 85 year old father can look at the Internet and photos etc
The iPad is ideal for t hat as well and this is a Hugh market for apple ,no wonder it sells so well
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
22 December 2011, 01:04 PM
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The iPad is ideal for t hat as well and this is a Hugh market for apple ,no wonder it sells so well.
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key.
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key.
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
oh please....stop...the irony is killing me....
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22 December 2011, 01:13 PM
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I don't mind a good apple vs the world debate , but it's when the 15 year old name calling started.
What I do find amusing is apple users are called muppets, but they have a very strong hatred towards a brand now that is definetly weird.
What I do find amusing is apple users are called muppets, but they have a very strong hatred towards a brand now that is definetly weird.
22 December 2011, 01:22 PM
#155
Every one of my friends that come round just love to see the iPad as we are of the generation that were brought up with pen and paper
Photos are great for the iPad too
Infact I just carry it round the house all day and not worry about the silly little hinge like on the misses laptop which always topples over
Soon the iPad 3 comes out I will have that and it will type what I say
That will be so great
And of course you get two nice Apple stickers in the box too
Photos are great for the iPad too
Infact I just carry it round the house all day and not worry about the silly little hinge like on the misses laptop which always topples over
Soon the iPad 3 comes out I will have that and it will type what I say
That will be so great
And of course you get two nice Apple stickers in the box too
22 December 2011, 01:22 PM
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Agree, I'm always up for a bit of banter and the Apple vs debates is just that, nothing more and nothing less. Besides, NSR is a getting a bit too quiet these days...
22 December 2011, 01:23 PM
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Can't imagine people getting excited over Samsung or other second class products
Instant brand appeal too
Ask any kid and all they want for Xmas is iPad/iPhone
Can't imagine people getting excited over Samsung or other second class products
Instant brand appeal too
Ask any kid and all they want for Xmas is iPad/iPhone
22 December 2011, 01:33 PM
#158
For people like me that aren't really pc literate they are ideal
I would struggle with the lap top and all it's functions and buttons and programmes
Looking at the misses laptop t he only things we actually do with it is switch it on and she looks at Facebook and occasionally checks her emails
That's why I love my iPad
It's so simple to use straight from the box
Switch on and it goes never crashes ,no virus ,no wires or cables and no instruction book to read as its so simple to understand
Even my 85 year old father can look at the Internet and photos etc
The iPad is ideal for t hat as well and this is a Hugh market for apple ,no wonder it sells so well
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
I would struggle with the lap top and all it's functions and buttons and programmes
Looking at the misses laptop t he only things we actually do with it is switch it on and she looks at Facebook and occasionally checks her emails
That's why I love my iPad
It's so simple to use straight from the box
Switch on and it goes never crashes ,no virus ,no wires or cables and no instruction book to read as its so simple to understand
Even my 85 year old father can look at the Internet and photos etc
The iPad is ideal for t hat as well and this is a Hugh market for apple ,no wonder it sells so well
£400 is a bargain for what it is and you can carry it around and it's so easy to handle too
User friendly that is the key
Yes you might be able to buy a lap top for £299 but it's harder to use for people like myself and £400 is a mere nothing for those that have it
Just hope my iPhone 4s arrives before Xmas
;You shouldn't be comparing proper laptops with ipads though. Price alone is not reflective of the product's ability or processing power, as both peices of hardware are very different in their capeabilties.
You should really compare a MacBook with a Laptop because they both contain the same hardware, and then you will find they both have similar issues. The user interface on a Macbook is very icon based. Tiny icons at the bottom (or side), which IMO is no different to Win7 (I don't care if iOS was first or not)...neither are self intuitive as they both take some modging around to get used to and not instantly obvious to an unfamiliar user.
What you should compare is a android tablet to an apple tablet. Similar hardware, similar user interface.
Of course there is huge price gap between a laptop and a Macbook....but thats only because Macbooks are high end intel i5/i7s and there is no budget model. You can get the same spec Windows laptop for a little less money, or for half the price a budget laptop that runs the very same windows operating system. This option is not available on macbooks, its either an air or a pro. which means you end up comparing a budget laptop to similar priced low-end/budget iProducts that are not really comparable in peformance or hardware spec.
For example a typical 'good' laptop (windows or macbook): Has a intel i5 processor and 250gb to 500gb of internal storage. Whereas the ipad only has 16gb (or 32gb/64gb) of storage and a much less capeable ARM A4 processor.
You could however compare an ipad to a netbook fitted with a low-end intel Atom cpu. But I will say this now - netbooks are shyte; Its these netbooks that give laptops a bad image as people try to run stuff on them that is outside of their capeabilty as they are a cut-down PC so can run all the same software, albeit very slowely. But an ipad is NOT a cut down macbook, so it doesn't suffer the same problems.
...for generalisation's sake these netbooks and android tablets are typically on par with the iPad's CPU, but this is typically TEN times less processing capeability to a high end intel i5 or low end i7, as found in good laptops and macbooks.
Thats why netbooks running windows 7 are shyte - they run the same stuff on a CPU thats ten times slower. iPad (nor android) does not have this issue as it has dedicated safegaurds (itunes/appstore etc) to prevent it from running stuff beyond its capeability.
Hope that makes sense.
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Oh no, you've sucked me in now LOL ;
You shouldn't be comparing proper laptops with ipads though. Price alone is not reflective of the product's ability or processing power, as both peices of hardware are very different in their capeabilties.
You should really compare a MacBook with a Laptop because they both contain the same hardware, and then you will find they both have similar issues. The user interface on a Macbook is very icon based. Tiny icons at the bottom (or side), which IMO is no different to Win7 (I don't care if iOS was first or not)...neither are self intuitive as they both take some modging around to get used to and not instantly obvious to an unfamiliar user.
What you should compare is a android tablet to an apple tablet. Similar hardware, similar user interface.
Of course there is huge price gap between a laptop and a Macbook....but thats only because Macbooks are high end intel i5/i7s and there is no budget model. You can get the same spec Windows laptop for a little less money, or for half the price a budget laptop that runs the very same windows operating system. This option is not available on macbooks, its either an air or a pro. which means you end up comparing a budget laptop to similar priced low-end/budget iProducts that are not really comparable in peformance or hardware spec.
For example a typical 'good' laptop (windows or macbook): Has a intel i5 processor and 250gb to 500gb of internal storage. Whereas the ipad only has 16gb (or 32gb/64gb) of storage and a much less capeable ARM A4 processor.
You could however compare an ipad to a netbook fitted with a low-end intel Atom cpu. But I will say this now - netbooks are shyte; Its these netbooks that give laptops a bad image as people try to run stuff on them that is outside of their capeabilty as they are a cut-down PC so can run all the same software, albeit very slowely. But an ipad is NOT a cut down macbook, so it doesn't suffer the same problems.
...for generalisation's sake these netbooks and android tablets are typically on par with the iPad's CPU, but this is typically TEN times less processing capeability to a high end intel i5 or low end i7, as found in good laptops and macbooks.
Thats why netbooks running windows 7 are shyte - they run the same stuff on a CPU thats ten times slower. iPad (nor android) does not have this issue as it has dedicated safegaurds (itunes/appstore etc) to prevent it from running stuff beyond its capeability.
Hope that makes sense.
;You shouldn't be comparing proper laptops with ipads though. Price alone is not reflective of the product's ability or processing power, as both peices of hardware are very different in their capeabilties.
You should really compare a MacBook with a Laptop because they both contain the same hardware, and then you will find they both have similar issues. The user interface on a Macbook is very icon based. Tiny icons at the bottom (or side), which IMO is no different to Win7 (I don't care if iOS was first or not)...neither are self intuitive as they both take some modging around to get used to and not instantly obvious to an unfamiliar user.
What you should compare is a android tablet to an apple tablet. Similar hardware, similar user interface.
Of course there is huge price gap between a laptop and a Macbook....but thats only because Macbooks are high end intel i5/i7s and there is no budget model. You can get the same spec Windows laptop for a little less money, or for half the price a budget laptop that runs the very same windows operating system. This option is not available on macbooks, its either an air or a pro. which means you end up comparing a budget laptop to similar priced low-end/budget iProducts that are not really comparable in peformance or hardware spec.
For example a typical 'good' laptop (windows or macbook): Has a intel i5 processor and 250gb to 500gb of internal storage. Whereas the ipad only has 16gb (or 32gb/64gb) of storage and a much less capeable ARM A4 processor.
You could however compare an ipad to a netbook fitted with a low-end intel Atom cpu. But I will say this now - netbooks are shyte; Its these netbooks that give laptops a bad image as people try to run stuff on them that is outside of their capeabilty as they are a cut-down PC so can run all the same software, albeit very slowely. But an ipad is NOT a cut down macbook, so it doesn't suffer the same problems.
...for generalisation's sake these netbooks and android tablets are typically on par with the iPad's CPU, but this is typically TEN times less processing capeability to a high end intel i5 or low end i7, as found in good laptops and macbooks.
Thats why netbooks running windows 7 are shyte - they run the same stuff on a CPU thats ten times slower. iPad (nor android) does not have this issue as it has dedicated safegaurds (itunes/appstore etc) to prevent it from running stuff beyond its capeability.
Hope that makes sense.
22 December 2011, 01:57 PM
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I disagree with your analysis as it takes a functional argument.
The real test is the use case and with a use case price is a very valid argument. The iPad, a netbook and a laptop may have differing form function instantiation but the generic use cases are the same.
For the majority of users the typical use cases are to portably and easily do the following: -
Browse photographs
Read paper
Browse interweb
Comment on interweb
Read magazine
Graze on You Tube
**** to ****
Get updated on news
Read email
Check presentation/document/spreadsheet
Author presentation/document/spreadsheet
In action an iPad is activity or Use Case driven and it is supreme at that
Typically Windows and OSX are data driven, although Windows much more so.
iPads are supreme read/browse devices
Windows and OSX are supreme write/read devices
For any individual user it a choice of primary use cases and the associated form function that will decide for them which is best.
With the iPad Apple have realised a series of previously undefined use case, particularly in how they are instantiated.
So the decision should not be on form function price; it should be on use case price.
The real test is the use case and with a use case price is a very valid argument. The iPad, a netbook and a laptop may have differing form function instantiation but the generic use cases are the same.
For the majority of users the typical use cases are to portably and easily do the following: -
Browse photographs
Read paper
Browse interweb
Comment on interweb
Read magazine
Graze on You Tube
**** to ****
Get updated on news
Read email
Check presentation/document/spreadsheet
Author presentation/document/spreadsheet
In action an iPad is activity or Use Case driven and it is supreme at that
Typically Windows and OSX are data driven, although Windows much more so.
iPads are supreme read/browse devices
Windows and OSX are supreme write/read devices
For any individual user it a choice of primary use cases and the associated form function that will decide for them which is best.
With the iPad Apple have realised a series of previously undefined use case, particularly in how they are instantiated.
So the decision should not be on form function price; it should be on use case price.
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The chief architect at a global bank told me that he loved Macs for the very reason most seem to deride them.
He feels there is far more scope to get down and dirty under the skin of a Mac than there is with Windows.
So there is one reason a talented technician might think a Mac is better.
He feels there is far more scope to get down and dirty under the skin of a Mac than there is with Windows.
So there is one reason a talented technician might think a Mac is better.
22 December 2011, 02:31 PM
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The chief architect at a global bank told me that he loved Macs for the very reason most seem to deride them.
He feels there is far more scope to get down and dirty under the skin of a Mac than there is with Windows.
So there is one reason a talented technician might think a Mac is better.
He feels there is far more scope to get down and dirty under the skin of a Mac than there is with Windows.
So there is one reason a talented technician might think a Mac is better.
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I think the reason why people don't like Apple it that at some level there is an alternative truth.
The iPad is simply the means to an end.
The iPad was contrived to be the delivery system of iTunes in the same way a cigarette is a nicotine delivery system.
The iPad is simply the means to an end.
The iPad was contrived to be the delivery system of iTunes in the same way a cigarette is a nicotine delivery system.
22 December 2011, 02:33 PM
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But at it's core your argument it true.
22 December 2011, 02:38 PM
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I see your point, perhaps that's an issue that needs addressing in that more hardware needs to come packaged with Linux and not just Windows. But again that boils down to demand and clever marketing to get Linux out there prepackaged on hardware, something which Apple have done remarkably well.
22 December 2011, 02:43 PM
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I see your point, perhaps that's an issue that needs addressing in that more hardware needs to come packaged with Linux and not just Windows. But again that boils down to demand and clever marketing to get Linux out there prepackaged on hardware, something which Apple have done remarkably well.
We sell Linux based workstations and PCs with Linux preinstalled but I have no idea how big the domestic market is for a Linux based PC. I can't imagine it is very big. Atleast with a windows PC you take it out the box, switch it on and it works. Unless of course you are like me who trashes it and reinstalls it first
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Although F1 will be adamant my sufferage of Windows is due to PICNIC.
My work laptop spent two hours in tech support as they had to do a very simple thing which is migrate it to the profile to a new domain.
Could they do it? No?
So I am now totally happy that indeed it is not PICNIC and that the laptop is indeed FUBAR'd.
And this with a super stable version of XP!!
I have VISTA at home which I hate.
Maybe will try Win8 on my Mac VM.
22 December 2011, 02:51 PM
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I should imagine the market is very small as it is now. Linux desktop gui such as Gnome is functional and does the same basic functions as Windows and OSX but is no where near as 'pretty'. This is what it boils down to. Price wise Linux laptops and desktops should be the cheapest on the market as Linux is a free OS and therefore attractive on price point. However they don't get a market share simply because of the dominance and mainstream of Windows and OSX even though those OS have a price and Linux is free.
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I should imagine the market is very small as it is now. Linux desktop gui such as Gnome is functional and does the same basic functions as Windows and OSX but is no where near as 'pretty'. This is what it boils down to. Price wise Linux laptops and desktops should be the cheapest on the market as Linux is a free OS and therefore attractive on price point. However they don't get a market share simply because of the dominance and mainstream of Windows and OSX even though those OS have a price and Linux is free.
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Although F1 will be adamant my sufferage of Windows is due to PICNIC.
My work laptop spent two hours in tech support as they had to do a very simple thing which is migrate it to the profile to a new domain.
Could they do it? No?
So I am now totally happy that indeed it is not PICNIC and that the laptop is indeed FUBAR'd.
And this with a super stable version of XP!!
I have VISTA at home which I hate.
Maybe will try Win8 on my Mac VM.
as for your laptop needing migrating to another domain this is not a problem most if any domestic user will have.
They will buy a machine from PC World take it home plug it in and switch it on. it will install itself and they will then be on their way. Provided they do not start swapping internal parts they will never need to face driver or incompatability issues. The same as a mac user it works out of the box. Same as a Scooby driver, don't **** with it and it will work fine.
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On that point I do not agree.
IMHO Windows requires far more housekeeping than a Mac to keep on top of updates, clean registry, connecting to printers and other peripherals, disk space usage.
All things that a Mac user can avoid and simply focus on their use cases rather than PC maintenance.
IMHO Windows requires far more housekeeping than a Mac to keep on top of updates, clean registry, connecting to printers and other peripherals, disk space usage.
All things that a Mac user can avoid and simply focus on their use cases rather than PC maintenance.
22 December 2011, 03:18 PM
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However, Linux doesn't market itself commercially as a desktop OS. It has far bigger share in the server market that dwarfs OSX server's market share. the problem with Linux is because it is open source, there are many flavours of Linux with only a few that are marketed commecially, RedHat being the biggest. These companies are relatively small, they don't have the financial clout of Microsoft, but even still, they still have about 20% of the server market with Microsoft owning 75% and OSX less than 2%.
22 December 2011, 03:26 PM
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I should imagine the market is very small as it is now. Linux desktop gui such as Gnome is functional and does the same basic functions as Windows and OSX but is no where near as 'pretty'. This is what it boils down to. Price wise Linux laptops and desktops should be the cheapest on the market as Linux is a free OS and therefore attractive on price point. However they don't get a market share simply because of the dominance and mainstream of Windows and OSX even though those OS have a price and Linux is free.
I now understand the "frustrations" Trout has with Windows, he used Vista which has to be the crapiest version of Windows ever released. This is the sole reason I went with Linux at the time and haven't looked back.
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22 December 2011, 03:27 PM
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On that point I do not agree.
IMHO Windows requires far more housekeeping than a Mac to keep on top of updates, clean registry, connecting to printers and other peripherals, disk space usage.
All things that a Mac user can avoid and simply focus on their use cases rather than PC maintenance.
IMHO Windows requires far more housekeeping than a Mac to keep on top of updates, clean registry, connecting to printers and other peripherals, disk space usage.
All things that a Mac user can avoid and simply focus on their use cases rather than PC maintenance.
Connecting a printer to either OS is the same on principle, both need the appropriate drivers/software installed to perform the functions the device is capable of.
Again disk space, nothing to do with OS, all dependent on size of hard disk provided on the machine and the amount of data the user stores.
Clean registry? Never had to do it but the I run antivirus and firewall and don't let malware get on my machines. Simple thing to do yet so many people don't bother.
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22 December 2011, 03:30 PM
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I beg to differ. Linux GUI can be made just as "pretty" if not moreso than either Windows or OSX. Looking at the dristros for Mint and Ubuntu is proof of that. Plus the GUI is highly customisable to the point it will look almost identical to either Windows or OSX to uninitiated. The reason the market share is low is marketing. When was the last time you saw an advert for Linux, never mind the countless different distributions available.
I now understand the "frustrations" Trout has with Windows, he used Vista which as to be the crapiest version of Windows every released. This is the sole reason I went with Linux at the time and haven't looked back.
I now understand the "frustrations" Trout has with Windows, he used Vista which as to be the crapiest version of Windows every released. This is the sole reason I went with Linux at the time and haven't looked back.
As for Vista being the worst you are forgetting Windows ME