You and others are just thinking out loud, trying to understand - shows that people care, I'd say.

 

Shocking news, absolutely stunned.

 

At least he didnt go down the shotgun route , that would have been very anti-social

 

Well sadi RW

This thread has been ruined by the bickering, start another thread on the subject, it's an argument that no side will win.

 

Spot on!

Les

 

Fair enoiugh to want to state an opinion, but without any inside information it is unfair and even dangerous to speculate in such a case especially when it involves comment on a person's personal life which might be less than complimentary. So far no one has any idea what drove him to suicide.

Les

 

It doesn't change the fact Les that he believed that taking his own life was an option.
I just can't fathom it.
If you are on your own with no dependants or loved ones, then fine.

But, he had a family.
This WILL destroy them.

 

Oh I agree with you. I don't think suicide is the right thing.especially when there are others such as immediate family involved.

My point was all about speculating on his reasons for doing it.

Les

 

That's because their lives are not as important as people who've kicked a ball about and made some cash.

That is over simplifying it but that's the truth of it really.

I found a chap hanging in a tree once. He'd done it with a tie and stood on a stool. He could have actually stood up it was so low but the tie was silk and had pulled very very tight.

Called the cops and waited on them arriving and warned people not to let kids come past.

He'd done it because his mrs had refused to let him see his daughter. Not a single news story about it.

No idea what issues Gary had, he's actually outside the 'normal' suicide range. It tends to be blokes between 18 and 35 and hanging is the normal way of going. The theory is, it is because blokes are less likely to ask someone for help when they find themselves getting depressed about something.

5t.

 

So what are you trying to say?

 

Why's that?

I would have thought there there are much easier ways of going than choking to death.

 

Seems that there is a consensus out there that he was gay, and was about to be "uncovered" by the media.

 

I don't know. We did some work for the 'See Me' Campaign www.seemescotland.org

And those were the stats.

Of course people do jump of bridges etc too but young men and hanging is the most common.

At risk of being blasted, the really selfish ones are the ones that jump in front of a train etc because then you've essentially forced soemone to kill you and they might not find that easy to deal with. The memory of doing it stays with them for the rest of their lives.

5t.

 

His reasoning is now irrelevant.

 

I've been on a train that had someone jump in front of it off a bridge. There was no sympathy from any passengers, in fact people were even making jokes about anyone want a pair of shoes etc. It was during the World Cup a couple of yeas ago and people just wanted to get home to watch the footie. They didn't give a toss about the person killed as in their view they were selfish to involve so many other people, worst of all the driver of the train.

 

Id just move

 

I know I shouldn't but.....

I think in these modern times, the pressure just gets to people.
There is nowhere to hide in this digital age. Everything can be accounted for.

I am not saying he did, but I wouldn't be surprised if he cheated on this mrs or something similar.

 

 

I deleted that because I thought in hindsight it was inappropriate. Ah well.

 

Trains are on rails, Duncan, it's not that simple.

 

I kind of saw a person doing that about 20 years ago.
Now, I didn't see all of the splatter, but I certainly heard it
I seen some of the mess sadly.

I suspect the train drivers are completely traumatised as a result

 

I can't believe nobody ever thought of this before

 

Rip

People don't realise how bad depression can get, unless you see it 1st hand

 

Yes as far as he is concerned naturally.

I am surprised that you have made a guess above nevertheless.

Les

 

I have heard rumors about a Sun story that was about to be released about him.

I hope its not true

RIP to great player.

 

Very unfortunate for his family and now his children are without a farther.

There is no situation that is bad enough to deprive your own children of the benefit of your love and life experience with support and guidance, not much of an example, and his actions cancel out all his previous achievments, as sadly this is all he will be remembered for now.

Very very sad for his children.

And by the sounds of the direction of the speculation, it was not depression but the fear of shame that led him to this, if that turns out to be the case, then he was indeed a coward, and very selfish.

I really do hope thats not true for the sake of his family.

RIP.

 

If it is true, then the gutter press have effectively killed him. I hope that person sleeps well at night.

 

The same gutter press that are running page after page in tributes, there is no shame for these people.

I see the Sun interviewed one of Speed's best mates yesterday, Shearer, it did make me think if they had something on Speed would they now bother to run it knowing how well thought of Gary Speed was ? They know the public clamour for this type of journalism but it could back fire massively.

 

my sources tell me that the Sun was indeed given a story regarding Gary's sexuality

it was "given" to the Sun by the Local Paper

 

The same stories have been around for years regarding Shearer, oddly enough.