BC or Tein on a Classic wagon
25 August 2011, 08:13 PM
#34
Is there not a problem with fitting saloon suspension to a wagon though?? i mean it will bolt on no problem, but iirc wagon rear shocks are longer so the rear end will sit too low. the suspension geometry gets mucked up too, introducing possive camber. I would love to be proved wrong, but i have looked at suspension options for my classic wagon and it does kind of look like coilovers are about the only simple option if you are looking for a new, complete replacement package... 
Incidently i think i will get a set of BC, just concerned that they don't seem to be massively relyable, but everyone seems to be pleased with their performance and are a good price
Incidently i think i will get a set of BC, just concerned that they don't seem to be massively relyable, but everyone seems to be pleased with their performance and are a good price
25 August 2011, 09:28 PM
#36
Is there not a problem with fitting saloon suspension to a wagon though?? i mean it will bolt on no problem, but iirc wagon rear shocks are longer so the rear end will sit too low. the suspension geometry gets mucked up too, introducing possive camber. I would love to be proved wrong, but i have looked at suspension options for my classic wagon and it does kind of look like coilovers are about the only simple option if you are looking for a new, complete replacement package...
Incidently i think i will get a set of BC, just concerned that they don't seem to be massively relyable, but everyone seems to be pleased with their performance and are a good price
Incidently i think i will get a set of BC, just concerned that they don't seem to be massively relyable, but everyone seems to be pleased with their performance and are a good price
On BC i can't comment,i've never tried them,but as you are said people are happy with them.
Jura
HKS coilovers are hard for our roads,HKS are similar to Tein Basic.
Jura
26 August 2011, 07:26 AM
#37
Aye, sorry i was meaning saloon shocks, in case the o/p was looking at getting a second hand set of P1 shocks for his wagon
09 September 2011, 11:03 PM
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I personally run Tein Monoflex on my GC8 and they're not TOO bad here on the California roads. BC are more for people who cares about the stance of their cars instead of performance. Personally I would just save up for KW Variant 3's or Blistein pss9. However, ride quality is always best with a spring and strut combo over a full coilover setup. So it really depends on what you want out of your car.
10 September 2011, 07:40 AM
#39
I personally run Tein Monoflex on my GC8 and they're not TOO bad here on the California roads. BC are more for people who cares about the stance of their cars instead of performance. Personally I would just save up for KW Variant 3's or Blistein pss9. However, ride quality is always best with a spring and strut combo over a full coilover setup. So it really depends on what you want out of your car.
Plus Folk LOVE those cheapie Taiwanese coilovers around these parts
10 September 2011, 11:28 AM
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I personally run Tein Monoflex on my GC8 and they're not TOO bad here on the California roads. BC are more for people who cares about the stance of their cars instead of performance. Personally I would just save up for KW Variant 3's or Blistein pss9. However, ride quality is always best with a spring and strut combo over a full coilover setup. So it really depends on what you want out of your car.
Tein MonoFlex are good for money,but for these money you can have KW V1 here.
BC are used not just for stance,but as well for racing/track days etc.,these are great budget coilovers setup,comparing with KW or Bilstein and other setups its not best,just due price...
Spring and strut combo is nice,but are not adjustable and not the best on track.Due this most people going for Coilovers setup like spring/strut combo...
About the cheap Taiwanese setups,people love those just due are proven and as you are said cheap
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10 September 2011, 06:30 PM
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California roads and UK roads its little bit different comparison.
Tein MonoFlex are good for money,but for these money you can have KW V1 here.
BC are used not just for stance,but as well for racing/track days etc.,these are great budget coilovers setup,comparing with KW or Bilstein and other setups its not best,just due price...
Spring and strut combo is nice,but are not adjustable and not the best on track.Due this most people going for Coilovers setup like spring/strut combo...
Jura
Tein MonoFlex are good for money,but for these money you can have KW V1 here.
BC are used not just for stance,but as well for racing/track days etc.,these are great budget coilovers setup,comparing with KW or Bilstein and other setups its not best,just due price...
Spring and strut combo is nice,but are not adjustable and not the best on track.Due this most people going for Coilovers setup like spring/strut combo...
Jura
I doubt majority of the people use their coilovers to it's fullest extent, which is why I suggest a strut and spring combo for the average person who plans to occasionally track their car yet daily drive it for the majority of the time.
10 September 2011, 08:46 PM
#42
There's plenty of people here stateside that runs the Taiwanese coilovers. But as I stated, majority of those guys are only using it for the stance of their cars. Not many of them track with them in a serious manner and for those who does they usually end up upgrading to something better and not looking back. I personally had a set of Taiwanese coilovers before upgrading to the monoflex.
The roads here in california are pretty bad, I'm almost certain the roads over there are better haha.
I doubt majority of the people use their coilovers to it's fullest extent, which is why I suggest a strut and spring combo for the average person who plans to occasionally track their car yet daily drive it for the majority of the time.
The roads here in california are pretty bad, I'm almost certain the roads over there are better haha.
I doubt majority of the people use their coilovers to it's fullest extent, which is why I suggest a strut and spring combo for the average person who plans to occasionally track their car yet daily drive it for the majority of the time.
Just have look here on TA(Time Attack),where few cars running BC or other Taiwanese companies...
Here is different story,if guys want coilovers,its not just due stance,but only due OEM are not good enough for job on track or road...
Probably in USA you don't have Speed bumps or you have?
Roads where are better,i've been in USA few times(mainly NY and Salt Lake City) and there are nice roads(just missing there Twisty roads there)
For good strut/spring combo you will spend same money like for BC etc.,which i think its too much...
Its not just people don't use full features of coilovers,but these people will use all features in later time and best is are adjustable(in most cases will suit everyone)
Jura
11 September 2011, 09:44 AM
#43
OEM not good enough? I think the red inverted monotubed STi dampers do a fine job for fast B-road use (not too dissimilar to the northern California roads I drove on)
Those coupled with a slight lowering spring and you have a great road set-up (not unlike the P1's arrangement, considered the best Scooby set-up for UK roads), and better than most coilovers
Those coupled with a slight lowering spring and you have a great road set-up (not unlike the P1's arrangement, considered the best Scooby set-up for UK roads), and better than most coilovers
20 September 2011, 08:01 PM
#44
I put a set of KYB (new) shocks and some eibach P1 springs with a set of whiteline droplinks (the wire ones are cheaper) on my classic v4 STI wagon, shocks where arround 400 and the springs where 2nd hand preaty much brand new at 100 quid , this lowers the car aprox 15/20mm, a set of camber adjustment bolts, P1 Geometry setup done and it handled like a dream on A / B roads and some single track stuff in wales was equally awsome.
20 September 2011, 08:05 PM
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I put a set of KYB (new) shocks and some eibach P1 springs with a set of whiteline droplinks (the wire ones are cheaper) on my classic v4 STI wagon, shocks where arround 400 and the springs where 2nd hand preaty much brand new at 100 quid , this lowers the car aprox 15/20mm, a set of camber adjustment bolts, P1 Geometry setup done and it handled like a dream on A / B roads and some single track stuff in wales was equally awsome.
How did you decide on those options?
20 September 2011, 10:52 PM
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sadly my old wagon is being broken now, after some a'hole side swiped her on a bypass and mullered the front corner (i pit manovered them!), so the suspension is up for grabs i belive , speak to richard (No. in my sig below) if your intrested in grabbing a really decent susspension setup (aprox 10k miles) it will shift fast mind, im on the suspension thread now trying to find some infos on my new car (2005 blob (widetrack) wich has the obligatory clonking shocks :| you can see the amount of drop in my garage (pics etc) that the prodrive(eibach) springs give you.
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21 September 2011, 08:35 AM
#47
I've just bought some bc from indigo for 630 delivered .when I got them on I'll let you know what there like, car was lowered with springs before so will have to see how they compare
29 September 2011, 02:05 PM
#48
Bonesetter, the fact you're comparing P1 struts to KW V3' coilovers shows just how little you know about suspension.
As for Slating the BC's again you've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I've seen BC's perform exceptionally well in competition this year and they have been absolutely faultless. They also out performed the EXE-TC stuff that was on previous.
Just because it's made in Taiwan doesn't mean its crap that's just incredibly narrow minded.
BC's are fabulous value for money and outperform some brands that are 3-4 times the price.
The proof is there for all to see so there's no need to say something's crap when you have no real way of supporting that other than your "It's made in Taiwan so it must be crap" philosophy
As for Slating the BC's again you've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I've seen BC's perform exceptionally well in competition this year and they have been absolutely faultless. They also out performed the EXE-TC stuff that was on previous.
Just because it's made in Taiwan doesn't mean its crap that's just incredibly narrow minded.
BC's are fabulous value for money and outperform some brands that are 3-4 times the price.
The proof is there for all to see so there's no need to say something's crap when you have no real way of supporting that other than your "It's made in Taiwan so it must be crap" philosophy
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29 September 2011, 02:41 PM
#49
Bonesetter, the fact you're comparing P1 struts to KW V3' coilovers shows just how little you know about suspension.
As for Slating the BC's again you've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I've seen BC's perform exceptionally well in competition this year and they have been absolutely faultless. They also out performed the EXE-TC stuff that was on previous.
Just because it's made in Taiwan doesn't mean its crap that's just incredibly narrow minded.
BC's are fabulous value for money and outperform some brands that are 3-4 times the price.
The proof is there for all to see so there's no need to say something's crap when you have no real way of supporting that other than your "It's made in Taiwan so it must be crap" philosophy
As for Slating the BC's again you've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I've seen BC's perform exceptionally well in competition this year and they have been absolutely faultless. They also out performed the EXE-TC stuff that was on previous.
Just because it's made in Taiwan doesn't mean its crap that's just incredibly narrow minded.
BC's are fabulous value for money and outperform some brands that are 3-4 times the price.
The proof is there for all to see so there's no need to say something's crap when you have no real way of supporting that other than your "It's made in Taiwan so it must be crap" philosophy
However, I did seek professional advice when deciding what to use on my Type R, and am passing that wisdom on.What's wrong with comparing the P1 set-up to the V3's?
I'm sorry if you're upset after me knocking (a slight knock, I've re-read the thread) your BC's
29 September 2011, 08:58 PM
#50
For a start the KW's are far better than stock P1 stuff, they're adjustble too.
I'd say the KW V3 are similar to the BC's if anything.
For the record this isn't a biased point of view from an owner I haven't got BC's I've got Teins on mine. I've just been blown away with how faultless the BC's have been in competition this year that's all.
I'd say the KW V3 are similar to the BC's if anything.
For the record this isn't a biased point of view from an owner I haven't got BC's I've got Teins on mine. I've just been blown away with how faultless the BC's have been in competition this year that's all.
29 September 2011, 10:38 PM
#51
For a start the KW's are far better than stock P1 stuff, they're adjustble too.
I'd say the KW V3 are similar to the BC's if anything.
For the record this isn't a biased point of view from an owner I haven't got BC's I've got Teins on mine. I've just been blown away with how faultless the BC's have been in competition this year that's all.
I'd say the KW V3 are similar to the BC's if anything.
For the record this isn't a biased point of view from an owner I haven't got BC's I've got Teins on mine. I've just been blown away with how faultless the BC's have been in competition this year that's all.
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30 September 2011, 12:02 AM
#52
I really don't think KW V1 & 2 would do a better job than the P1 set up on the road. The P1 fixed perch set-up for road use is very hard to beat, and seems to suit the Impreza very well. V3's would be nice, but are still a coilover and for fast B-road use present their own set of issues. For this use I would prefer damper/spring every time
You also said BC's are rubbish and you're wrong about that, in a big way even the entry level set are very good. The ER series are exceptionally so.
30 September 2011, 05:04 PM
#53
I'm not disputing the P1 setup, it's a great setup. Where I disagree is that you're saying they are as good as KW V3's, they aren't.
You also said BC's are rubbish and you're wrong about that, in a big way even the entry level set are very good. The ER series are exceptionally so.
You also said BC's are rubbish and you're wrong about that, in a big way even the entry level set are very good. The ER series are exceptionally so.
I've never said the BC's are rubbish, just they are a budget option and there's better coilovers out there. They're like the Toyo T1R of coilovers
05 October 2011, 11:09 PM
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The adjustability of my bc,s is great. I was dubious about buying them but got fed up with oe shocker failure that it was a no brainer to choose the bc,s. Long journey,s can be done in comfort with the soft setting and trackday,s can be enjoyed too. Scoob meet,s occasionally see the car lowered. The ride is far more compliant than the oe shocks with lowering springs.
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