The Underclass
11 August 2011, 04:30 PM
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I think TV plays a big part, Eastenders celebrates bad behaviour and portrays anyone nice as being weak, all the adverts are full of shiny stuff and the insidious bit is they make you feel like you are missing out if you dont have something and how you will be more respected, more succcesful and sexually attractive.
Nobody needs designer brands, clothese are cheaper than ever nowadays with the supermarkets selling them and places like Matalan and Primark but they never seem to be good enough, has to have a label, if they really wanted to get at the rich a start would be not buying a £100 trainers or any other branded stuff that makes these companies vast amounts of money, trainers are made in sweat shops for pennies and the marketers make them so kids cant do without them, I reckon £30 is enough to buy any pair of trainers and provide a fair profit for all involved,people with no money need to understand that spending £100 on trainers doesnt make you look rich.
Nobody needs designer brands, clothese are cheaper than ever nowadays with the supermarkets selling them and places like Matalan and Primark but they never seem to be good enough, has to have a label, if they really wanted to get at the rich a start would be not buying a £100 trainers or any other branded stuff that makes these companies vast amounts of money, trainers are made in sweat shops for pennies and the marketers make them so kids cant do without them, I reckon £30 is enough to buy any pair of trainers and provide a fair profit for all involved,people with no money need to understand that spending £100 on trainers doesnt make you look rich.
11 August 2011, 06:02 PM
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Cheers, its a complex very issue, trouble is it goes to two camps, basically kill them (Most of the country) or give them a big hug (Guardian Reading Social Worker types).
I think that perhaps as a country we have failed, not just them but everyone segregates themselves into little sub-cultures, most of the problems are down to a lack of understanding and integration, I know people who pontificate (me as well
) about other groups but they dont have any understanding, there is a certain amount of fear and confusion about how other people operate, we only see the end results of a thought process, i.e. actions.
We tend to only socialise in specific groups, for me its Subaru Owners, i.e., I dont speak to 20 year old black lads or 13 year old kids from Salford, I sort of think we need to do a national "team building" exercise, exchanging thoughts and ideas on here is great but say it got extended to a national level via the internet ? I was shouting at the TV the other night but I think it would have been better to speak to one of those kids before, they dont have role models and I am nothing special but I would be able to offer advice perhaps better than their own parents or in leiu of and I think there are a lot of people that could provide advice and potentially stand as a role model, someone to impress, not saying that I want to adopt a hoodie but internet access is getting pretty pervasive (they all have phones with BBM we saw that much), I could deal with that, I spend time on here spouting it.
Anyone think that could work, I think it could, the perhaps they woudlnt feel so "disenfranchised" and have some morals, there are a lot of people in this country versus the number of "hoodrats" and not everyone is so self absorbed that they couldnt provide some useful advice and the benefit of their experience, kind of a Big Brother but in a good way ?
Ok, would need some thought, Anyone think it could possibly work ?
I think that perhaps as a country we have failed, not just them but everyone segregates themselves into little sub-cultures, most of the problems are down to a lack of understanding and integration, I know people who pontificate (me as well
) about other groups but they dont have any understanding, there is a certain amount of fear and confusion about how other people operate, we only see the end results of a thought process, i.e. actions.We tend to only socialise in specific groups, for me its Subaru Owners
, i.e., I dont speak to 20 year old black lads or 13 year old kids from Salford, I sort of think we need to do a national "team building" exercise, exchanging thoughts and ideas on here is great but say it got extended to a national level via the internet ? I was shouting at the TV the other night but I think it would have been better to speak to one of those kids before, they dont have role models and I am nothing special but I would be able to offer advice perhaps better than their own parents or in leiu of and I think there are a lot of people that could provide advice and potentially stand as a role model, someone to impress, not saying that I want to adopt a hoodie but internet access is getting pretty pervasive (they all have phones with BBM we saw that much), I could deal with that, I spend time on here spouting it.Anyone think that could work, I think it could, the perhaps they woudlnt feel so "disenfranchised" and have some morals, there are a lot of people in this country versus the number of "hoodrats" and not everyone is so self absorbed that they couldnt provide some useful advice and the benefit of their experience, kind of a Big Brother but in a good way ?
Ok, would need some thought, Anyone think it could possibly work ?
11 August 2011, 06:11 PM
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11 August 2011, 07:13 PM
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Erm, I don't think leathering these kids to within an inch of their pants is the answer either. But the threat of some sort of punishment would help!
11 August 2011, 07:34 PM
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11 August 2011, 07:40 PM
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we have created a low wage low skill economy, and a zero aspiration society, based on the knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
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11 August 2011, 07:58 PM
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Did you see the group of young girls on the news? While looting they shouted into the camera, "we is gettin our tax back innit"
Do they pay tax on their benefits like i do on my wages through paye??????????
Do they pay tax on their benefits like i do on my wages through paye??????????
11 August 2011, 08:30 PM
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Ordinarily would be a bit right wing for me but I do entirely agree on this occasion
11 August 2011, 09:39 PM
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we have created a low wage low skill economy, and a zero aspiration society, based on the knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
12 August 2011, 12:15 AM
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we have created a low wage low skill economy, and a zero aspiration society, based on the knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
wealth will continue to rise up the social scale, social mobility will fall even further creating a squeezed middle that will become one wage cheque from "poverty", requiring two wage earners, breaking family life, etc etc
the underclass culture will become even more entrenched, the wealthy will be able to anesthetise themselves from the rest of society thru gated communities, enclaves etc, further divorcing themselves from reality of the impending doom
as I said a few years ago in a post the starting wage for a decent lifestyle will be around a 100k a year
the only root out for the underclass -- The X Factor
12 August 2011, 08:33 AM
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I was thinking about who is to blame for the underclass and I came to the conclusion it was the ruling classes who invented the social state. In the past, if you didn't have enough money to feed yourself, you died, or went into the poor house. You didn't demand NHS treatment after drunken street brawls, Sky TV and Lonsdale tracksuits....
12 August 2011, 08:56 AM
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12 August 2011, 11:34 AM
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Well given your economic understanding I wouldn't take you seriously on that.
12 August 2011, 12:03 PM
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We are a nation of gougers and spivs, apart from a few who work at Rolls Royce aerospace maybe...
Thankfully I'm old enough not to care about riots on estates down South, if these scum choose to bite the hand that feeds them, then punish them.
I'll pay a bit extra on my taxes for a new prison, or ten...
dunx
P.S. Did any of these looters "do" a Maccy'D's or were they smart enough to leave their only source of nourishment unscathed ?
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12 August 2011, 12:51 PM
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12 August 2011, 01:06 PM
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Looking at the pathetic sentences being handed out Youth referral orders, electronic tags etc. I can see these scumbags kicking off the next time one of their "soldiers" gets killed.
If you are convicted of looting you should be sterilised, that should help clear up the filth.
If you are convicted of looting you should be sterilised, that should help clear up the filth.
12 August 2011, 02:52 PM
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There was a time when even the poorest parents had the responsibility to bring up their children to understand the need for discipline in a decent society and also to respect them and to do what they were told. If people are not prepared to accept all that then there is very little chance of a successful society continuing to exist.
In recent times, our "gallant" leaders have encouraged the downfall of the old moral ways of life, as much as anything by their own highly sub standard example, and we now have a generation which will produce children in order to get more benefits but who will allow those children to roam free at night in gangs so that they become feral by nature, have no kind of ambition to improve themselves by working at school and whose main ambition is to destroy any form of authority or any sign of someone else's success.
We are very unlucky with our modern day politicians of all colours whose major ambition seems to be self seeking with little if any sense of real responsibility towards the people of this country. It has been very disappointing to see the politicians very low sense of morality these days. There was a time when a politician was a respected and trusted person.
Unless this country manages to find an honest and strong fearless leader in the near future, I hold out very few hopes in years to come.
Les
In recent times, our "gallant" leaders have encouraged the downfall of the old moral ways of life, as much as anything by their own highly sub standard example, and we now have a generation which will produce children in order to get more benefits but who will allow those children to roam free at night in gangs so that they become feral by nature, have no kind of ambition to improve themselves by working at school and whose main ambition is to destroy any form of authority or any sign of someone else's success.
We are very unlucky with our modern day politicians of all colours whose major ambition seems to be self seeking with little if any sense of real responsibility towards the people of this country. It has been very disappointing to see the politicians very low sense of morality these days. There was a time when a politician was a respected and trusted person.
Unless this country manages to find an honest and strong fearless leader in the near future, I hold out very few hopes in years to come.
Les
12 August 2011, 03:10 PM
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There was a time when even the poorest parents had the responsibility to bring up their children to understand the need for discipline in a decent society and also to respect them and to do what they were told. If people are not prepared to accept all that then there is very little chance of a successful society continuing to exist.
In recent times, our "gallant" leaders have encouraged the downfall of the old moral ways of life, as much as anything by their own highly sub standard example, and we now have a generation which will produce children in order to get more benefits but who will allow those children to roam free at night in gangs so that they become feral by nature, have no kind of ambition to improve themselves by working at school and whose main ambition is to destroy any form of authority or any sign of someone else's success.
We are very unlucky with our modern day politicians of all colours whose major ambition seems to be self seeking with little if any sense of real responsibility towards the people of this country. It has been very disappointing to see the politicians very low sense of morality these days. There was a time when a politician was a respected and trusted person.
Unless this country manages to find an honest and strong fearless leader in the near future, I hold out very few hopes in years to come.
Les
In recent times, our "gallant" leaders have encouraged the downfall of the old moral ways of life, as much as anything by their own highly sub standard example, and we now have a generation which will produce children in order to get more benefits but who will allow those children to roam free at night in gangs so that they become feral by nature, have no kind of ambition to improve themselves by working at school and whose main ambition is to destroy any form of authority or any sign of someone else's success.
We are very unlucky with our modern day politicians of all colours whose major ambition seems to be self seeking with little if any sense of real responsibility towards the people of this country. It has been very disappointing to see the politicians very low sense of morality these days. There was a time when a politician was a respected and trusted person.
Unless this country manages to find an honest and strong fearless leader in the near future, I hold out very few hopes in years to come.
Les
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Looking at the pathetic sentences being handed out Youth referral orders, electronic tags etc. I can see these scumbags kicking off the next time one of their "soldiers" gets killed.
If you are convicted of looting you should be sterilised, that should help clear up the filth.
If you are convicted of looting you should be sterilised, that should help clear up the filth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14504005
Regards the eugenics idea, old Adolf killed any chance of that one for the forseeable future. Shame.
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Social protection costs this country £200 billion a year which is totally unsustainable. Welfare needs to be enough to buy food and basic accomodation and that is it. Vouchers to stop people wasting their benefits on **** and booze, I don't give a **** if it is degrading having to use food vouchers. It's a lot more degrading telling your kids they cannot eat tonight.