Why don't you bugger off to the private sector if you are so awesome?

 

The Private Sector do not generally do my type of work, they would not be able to make it pay...............

Shaun

 

I love the way you are promoting ageism to your benefit!

 

Ah so you do a non-job like diversity officer?

 

I post FACTS ... plain and simple. No idea what they post in the Papers.

The Government is pushing Academy Status on Schools .... this will mean the Teachers have their own contracts, with a Schools own Pay and Conditions.

This is the time that the Parents and Governors can actually stop the 'free-for-all' ... ' noses-in-the-trough' frenzied feeding which has been going on for 15 years.

The chickens are coming home to roost, Teachers will have to step up to the brave world the rest of us have occupied for decades.

The answer to your question why don't others go and Teach - well, some can't teach (I couldn't for example) - some earn more elsewhere (doing far more hours remember!) - some can't because they are not academic enough.

But, all the people you are slating off are paying for your high salary and your pensions!!!!! Remember that!! We have a RIGHT to ask you to help contribute and ease the burden on us!!

Think about someone earning £10,000 a year who is paying for your fat salary AND your handsome pension AND has to work at least 40 hours a week to make ends meet AND has to pay into a Pension which isn't gold plated like yours AND will retire at around 70 AND pays for the Teacher to go on foreign trips with their child AND still doesn't moan like YOU DO!

Makes my blood boil ... so it does .....

And ...... chilllllllll

 

TDW

My main job is to repair mouths ravaged by cancer surgery, major trauma and congenital birth defects........ Unusual to find this sort of treatment in the private sector


Shaun

 

I didn't want to be a teacher because i never thought about being one,
DAMN it ..I used to love the school holidays too,maybe its not too late.I would be a sports teacher or Geography...

 

I have also lectured for a University, taught in state and independant secondary schools and mentored PGC students for 33 years. At school most weeks during term I did 60-70 hours. I am an effective organiser of time, so didn't waste much as there are other things I'd like to do. I also used to work at least 1 week during the summer.
Perhaps it's because you do not have the neccessary qualities PSL that you feel anti teacher.

Effective teachers deserve the pay they get for the job they do and the time it takes to do it.
Surgeons spend most of the day on the golf course and earn 6 figure sums for a few hours a week, but no-one is kicking them. Aas always pick on the easy targets

Its such a laugh reading all the stereotyped generalisations and "sound bites". If only they had any idea of what the job involves now

 

Rather you than me as you must see some horrible sights but I do however take my hat off to you for doing it.

Chip

 

Thanks Chip Derrick Bird's handiwork is now filtering through

StanS..........I'm classed as a hospital surgeon (consultant) and don't even take all of my annual leave and am not on a six figure salary. It's not salary we are talking about but pensions, which do seem generous for teachers especially pre 2007....

Shaun

 

@ PSL...just out of curiosity what job do/did you do giving you all the facts about teachers? i ask cos youre arguing with ppl on here telling you how much they earn and youre quoting stuff that suggest you have some inside knowledge.

 

I think PSL is a parent governer Incedentally so is my wife.

They are involved in hiring / firing teachers so have access to the paperwork.

Shaun

 

To be fair that makes you an atypical public sector worker? I hope and assume you get paid more than mediocre Teachers (even though they seem to get paid too much)?

Can't you GP nowadays part-time for £250k though?

 

It's sad that people have so little respect for teachers.

The fact is that teaching plays a big part in our future. We trust these people to look after and educate children for the best part of their young lives, yet some people think that they do all this in just the time 'on site'

Do people honestly think that children get a decent education by clocking in and out of their job at 9.00 and 3.00?

It seems that most people think that teaching is a free ride to holiday ville where half term and summer holidays are spent doing nothing.

I find it odd that people are prepared to get on their soap boxes preaching that teachers don't deserve x,y or z for one reason or another, when they are obviously quite clueless about it all.

I'm thinking if anyone here is badmouthing teachers they know, then perhaps they need to consider the fact that the ones they know must be ****ty teachers if they are getting
such an easy ride.

 

TDW

I am a bit of an oddity and not many people know I exist untill they are either sent to me or have to come and see me. Dealing with mouths, my initial degree is dentistry and not medicine..........my pay parallels hospital consultants (because I am one) but I miss out on being "on call" and other pay enhancements.

On average I am paid £34k less than an NHS high street dentist LOL

Hysteria......the OP posted about pensions and the fact that teachers (pre 2007) could get their full pension entitlement of 75% of their salary after 30 years and perhaps they should contribute a bit more. Not exactly badmouthing.....

Shaun

 

Right, let's get some things clear ......

I think Teachers do a great job on the whole, I respect the best Teachers.

My wife works in Education, so do all of my sisters - I have been engaged at the highest levels in the management of schools. I have interviewed many Teachers and Senior Managers. I know what Teachers earn, I know what they do, I know about TLR payments, I know more about the bigger picture of the operation of schools than any Teacher.

They have a very good Salary - fair enough.

They get generous 12 weeks of holidays - fair enough.

They are contracted to work just 26 hours a week - OK. They do work longer, granted.

They are sheltered from the real world - just how it is.

They are in line for superb Pensions - despite the changes being brought in.

They are not aware of the suffering that the outside world has gone through with regards to Pensions.

I ask Teachers this, "Is it fair that someone earning £10,000 a year and will struggle to get anything like a decent Pension pay for the inflated Pensions of Teachers?"

The answer, plainly is, "NO!" which is why I have the stance I have.

And, I am not a Parent Governor (though I have been in the distant past).

 

My post wasn't directed at TDW, I happen to agree with his sentiment, it's some of the others using this thread as a way of badmouthing teachers that I was replying to.

 

Is it surprising when they abandon their responsibilities for a days strike? All so they don't have to lose a few benefits which most in the private sector don't even have anyway?

Plus what are they saying? Don't get what you want, throw a tantrum? Why can't the NUT etc negotiate and discuss this?

 

You miss the point.

Teachers are complaining about their lot - most of the posts are pointing out that the private sector (or indeed The Real World) has very few of the benefits teachers currently take for granted.

I would also point out that although we are all aware that a teachers time isn't just 9-3 they really do only have say 120 days of the year actually at "the workface" as such. I would be interested to see how many teachers put in 14 hour days day in day out in order to earn similar money in the private sector.

The complaint isn't at teaches per se, the complaint is that teachers expect sympathy for their lot and don't seem to get why the rest of us aren't particularly forthcoming. Bit the like BA air crew

 

Edd scott is on the button.......see my post 84 about the lack of sympathy there is where I work.

Shaun

PS....small tip, I couldn't be bothered to turn on the oven for the nan bread so used the deep fat fryer to heat it up: not a good idea. LOL

 

Should have used a microwave. Works a treat on bread.

 

Microwave; Never thought of that ........made a hell of a racket when going into the fat as there was a lot of ice about from being in the freezer. Even Raita / mango chutney / onion and tomato dip didn't improve things.

Shaun

 

As the Union Rep involved in two of the cases and being kept well informed of the other I can honestly say there was no degree of voluntary about any of them and they were fought tooth and nail by the union(s) involved as well as the individuals one at great personal cost with an employment lawyer!

 

Hmm, Can I come and work at your school??? I'm on TLR 2b, HOF's at our school are on 1b at most. Seems you may be a bit generous with your payments - primary sector perhaps?

 

Hmm do you think a 70 year old can effectively control a class? Plus imagine the 70 year old PE teachers!

 

I Drive A Bin Lorry.......... The Pays Rubbish....

 

I thought you council bin guys were on good money.I know someone who tried to get on it some years ago,and it was a 2 year waiting list..

 

Very droll

 

Nah, the pay ain`t great at all..... Well below an average HGV Driver...
But, I guess the pension scheme is good and we only need to work a 4 day week (Im on Tuesday to Friday)... So, long weekend every week... And I only need to use 4 days from my annual holiday entitlement of 38 days for a week off

But actual wage is liveable, but not great....

 

Aye, it can be... But It`s a job.....

I don`t need excitement now in my job.... Ex Para Reg 14 years, been offshore on the rigs... Vehicle Convoy Security in Iraq....

Nowadays, for me, you can`t beat the sound of a bin clanging in the mornings....

But I guess by the way this government is going, I`ll be popping my clogs behind the wheel by the time they stop raising retirement age.....