tony de wonderful

What is wrong with these w@nkers?

Better paid than the private sector, better pensions, retire early etc.

Yet they act like being leaned on slightly - by the government - is an outrage and unfair, whilst us in the private sector are suffering.

TinyTim

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Think you'll find it's UNISON doing their usual.

Don't pigeon-hole all Teachers. My wifes a teacher and works f*cking hard thankyou.

danos14

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but they earn low wages and that why the have gold plated pensions....

TinyTim

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Pro-rata, they have a very low wage considering all the un-paid time they work. Marking, lesson planning etc. VERY common misconception that Teachers have an easy life.

JTaylor

Socialist Workers banners calling for Egypt-style uprising.

tony de wonderful

My heart bleeds.

Lots of salaried people in the private sector take work home and work weekends etc.

They don't get the holidays that Teachers get also.

Sure Teachers don't have the easiest job going - but they no way have the hardest - but they have no right to hold us taxpayers to ransom over this, it's shameful.

TinyTim

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So clearly A) you dont know any teachers and B) any strikes are going to cause an issue for you because no-one will be available to bring up your little darling(s).

Answer me this, in a day and age when costs are rocketing, and wages are being frozen, why exactly is it as far as you're concerned that private sector workers can strike and teachers can't?

fivetide

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But their day ends at 3:30 so its not that unpaid is it when normal peeps are at work 9 to 6pm every day with two weeks off if they are lucky and having to fork out a fortune on childcare because the schools are shut for 6 weeks at a time...

Sure a lesson plan lasts a good few years too if pushed!

5t.

TinyTim

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Yeah thats right, teachers leave work work at the same time as the students and go home to chill

tony de wonderful

They CAN strike yes but that doesn't mean they should.

Most private sector workers are having to suffer as the economic realities dictate. Not all private sector workers work in industries with strong unionisation.

Striking enables workers to command a wage over and above the market rate. Is that fair when me and you are paying that wage out of our taxes!?

The more Teachers earn and the earlier they retire, the less private sector workers take home and the longer they must work.

Personally I think Teachers should earn a little less then private sector workers given their job security.

TinyTim

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I honestly think it's a bit daft commenting on and stereotyping a job that you obviously have no experience of. I fail to see how one group have people have more of a right to moan about pay and conditions over another... it's law of the jungle out there.

As for taxes, yes.. my wife pays those too.

fivetide

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Didn't say that. The point I made was 2.5 hours a day to do marking etc in comparison with a 'regular' job.

Plus the pension, plus the holidays.

Both the outlaws are teachers. Flipping minted. One is the head of a department of one so got a nice payrise to boss himself about. Brillaint!

I understand you want to defend your mrs but the fact is teachers have the least directed work hours of anyone in a full time job.

5t.

BLU

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Here we go again ....... Not the usual thread starter though.

CREWJ

You seem to know nothing about the work schedule of a teacher. Please get some facts before blasting your opinions.

andy.downes

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As a teacher there are a few things people need to be aware of.

1) The responsibility - we have YOUR children in OUR care, that is a lot of responsibility, especially when arranging enrichment/trips etc. This multiplies ten fold when abroad.

2) We do not get a single penny for extra work. On top of working extra nearly every weekend, this is includes parents evenings, open evenings, trips, after school activities.

3) We get about 8 weeks holiday a year. Don't get me wrong, it's great. But not too much more than the average Joe.

4) You never stop being a teacher. At the weekend, during a walk, on holiday - you have to aware of who you are and role model you play. Kids are everywhere.

5) If teaching is easy and we're not entitled to fight for our rights then why aren't YOU a teacher? Come on in, the waters nice and warm. It's dead easy this lark...

6) 30k really that great?

...oh, the maintenance of 30 kids all day who shout, swear and threaten to hurt you or send you to jail putting you off? Shame.

scoobyvirgin

I'm sure if his other half was a teacher he wouldn't be complaining. Just another numpty that knows nothing about teaching.

andy.downes

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Oh and just to correct people about jobs. A lot of schools now are privately run (academies and including mine) who are making people redundant as we speak. If we don't get students, we lose our jobs, just like you.

TinyTim

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Why's that?

And yes, she is. 1st year NQT after completing GTP in Dorset.

njkmrs

I have to say that teachers are pretty well paid now and they cannot expect us to work until were 65 whilst they take early retirement .We have had this conversation on here before and even a teachers spouse said his wife was on a cushy number .

Time to feel the pain like the rest of us Im afraid,or come and join us in the real world !!

BLU

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I'm sure that wasn't aimed at you.

My missus is a teacher to but cba arguing with the trolls .........

TinyTim

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Yeah I just realised that. Shame on me. Maybe I need more teachings n stuff.

Gear Head

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If teachers have it so easy, why don't you join them Tony?

Wish

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Gone are the days of real teachers ....

scoobyvirgin

Not you numpty the OP!

scoobyvirgin

Mine still gives me a good spanking

fivetide

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This is true but at the end of the day, it is part of the job. You can't join the army and complain about being sent off to war.

Neither do a lot of people in other jobs so no difference there.

About 25% more than the average actually and as stated, no issue with the associated child costs.

That's called being a decent member of society.

No one is saying that. Fight for your rights but recognise that when everyone else is worried about their jobs, not had a payrise for years and don't get a gold plated pension at the end of it whinging about your rather good lot sticks in a lot of throats.

Well above the UK average actually so husband/wife partnership pulling in a good 60k a year and then 15k a year for the rest of their life when they retire. Not bad. Don't make out it isn't.

Nope, but then, not denying that there are challenges. What makes the job harder than a nurse doing shifts in A&E on a Friday saturday night when a mistake could kill someone? Need to have a sense of proportion. And again, don't take a job at a sewage farm then complain it smells a bit.

5t.

scotty_b

Other half is a teacher, she earns her holidays thats for sure!! Even though they get 8 weeks most teachers are in school for exam results, extra educational visits and sessions and generally making the school a nice place for your children to be even if its putting up a nice display etc. So in reality my holiday and my wifes are pretty similar.

Agree some, but not all, regular joes take work home etc although sure most of this is willingly offered and completed. Be it to get ahead of projects, catch up on something which just never got done or just to brown nose your boss. Teachers have NO CHOICE but to take marking home, plan their trips, risk access trips and plan their subject, and more than often plan non specialised subjects for which they have to do. Bringing work home is an every night, every weekend necessity through out their teaching career. Wife leaves for work at 7.30 - meetings till 5ish - parents evening - home - tea - marking etc till 11 day in day out.

Know I couldn't do it for sure!! Nor could most people I know once you see it from the inside!!

Geezer

My job involves lots of unpaid work, it simply needs to be done. I realise I am probably in the minority, but so are teachers.

I do also get paid for some unsociable or extra stuff, unlike teachers, but then again, I don't get 12 weeks holiday a year. In fact, last year, I was so busy I didn't get to take all my holidays, probably won't this year, so teachers do get rewarded for their extra time, just not financially.

I'm not knocking teachers, our two friends next door are teachers and I know how hard they work and what they have to put up with, but these are difficult times and to strike now would be disgusting, quite frankly.

That said, most teachers I know do not agree with the union stance anyway and do not complain about their lot in life.

Geezer

bigredrob

Why can they not have the same pension ie input/output as the MPs , as they are all public servants? or are MPs different.

njkmrs

And lets face it 30k is not a bad salary .
Add onto that being Head of Pencils and its probably nearer 38k .

I will get out of my Pension what I put in .It should be the same for everyone .