grahamc

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My overall MPG (for the total time I have owned the car) is around 19... With cruise control set, its not bad. I put it about on par with my STi (but I am pretty sure its spits puddles of fuel out the exhaust ).

Really depends on how you drive it... I have a feeling my MPG is about to drop quite drastically

I saw that, very impressive!! Is his an 09/10/11 car? Assuming 09/10 because of LC settings...

alloy

2009 car IIRC

grahamc

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So then mine should be pretty close to that soon

LEO-RS

Good set of figures for sure


Was this at Santapod/Shakespeare/York or Crail?

alloy

None of the above, Brighton Speed trials

LEO-RS

Ah okay, an unofficial 1/4m time so a bit like me putting out 2 sets of cones 402m apart in my back garden then

Still though, cracking times, he should really get his car to santapod and do it properly. Is the car a MY11 530 car? Good stuff, the new LC obviously works well

alloy

lol you're a idiot!

You should get your car to Santapod and do it properly. I actually had a race against a TTRS with 420 and he saw my afterburners the whole time

No his is a 2009 car with a tune only and modified LC2 (the original UK car LC not the MY11 LC4)

Anders_WR1

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Best I've seen is about 33mpg on the motorway with cruise on at 70mph and on the A406 at 50mph it was about the same, so probably better than my STI at those speeds.

But I've seen 4mpg booting it in 3rd and 4th gear and I'm sure it would be worse on track.

Like Graham, I've seen an average of 18/19mpg so far but that's running in the car with no redline action.

Anders

Anders_WR1

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John any word on when the MY11 timing will be fixed, ie not using timing code from earlier models?

I'll probably wait until this is sorted before cobbing mine.

Anders

LEO-RS

An idiot for what? There is no point in quoting 1/4m times if they are not from an official drag strip venue and to the best of my knowledge there are only 4 recognised drag strips in the UK. (Brighton not being 1 of them)

His car is S1 tuned so what, 550bhp? No exhaust mods, Y -Pipe? Full interior? Is this seen as a new UK record with just a tune, 10.98? (Even though it was not done at an official drag strip venue?)

As to TTRS, what did you expect, 600hp vs 420hp

Still though, I'll be back for another crack of the whip on Saturday to try and eek a few more hundredths. (I've just found out the meaning of deep and shallow staging and the idiot I am, I have been deep staging so I hope to knock off another tenth or so just by shallow staging)

alloy

You're an idiot because;
a) you just confessed to it
b) Previously, all you have posted on your TTRS is these bl00dy V-box performance logs, now a GTR posts some data from one and it isnt legit?

Come down to Santapod if you want to get official FIA strip, and slightly uphill, it's the heartbreaker

LEO-RS

Another barney with you Alloy, how predictable, if its not Trout, it's you

As to vbox figures, I never even mentioned them fella, the 60 and 100 times are really good, no complaints here, good stuff.

1/4m though should really be done at an official drag strip venue. As to which venue, agreed, Santapod will run the quickest out of the 4 recognised strips due to the sheer advantage you get there with the grip available. I plan on making a trip down to santapod early next year for that very reason

alloy

We not agreeing that Santa Pod is the fastest. From what i hear Shakespere is the fasest. Santa Pod RWYB has no track prep at all, surface aint that great, plus you run uphill....there is no sheer advantage with grip....for those reasons your trip will be wasted

LEO-RS

Alloy,

I lived down your way for 7yrs and have raced at santapod quite a few times. In comparison to the other 2 venues I have raced at (York and Crail) the grip is fantastic.

As an example, recently Santapod hosted the FWD outlaw shootout event (21st August 2011) An event where Im sure you will agree, grip is very important... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itp0N36HUuI

In the final was a chap called Allan Duthie. He runs a sh*tty old Mk1 vauxhall corsa with 550hp and ran a 10.9 in the final. I met this chap at the last outing at Crail (04th Sept 2011) where his best time of the day was 12.3, he just couldn't get grip...

http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/showdr...ate=2011-09-04

We are only talking 2 weeks apart here, the difference a good surface at Pod made against a poor surface at Crail for this particular car was significant, I'm sure you will agree Look at him struggling for traction all the way to the finish line here... (listen to the engine note for slip)

http://www.youtube.com/user/stevecos.../1/BB-R8CYXrw8

Enough said, we should agree to disagree again, but I know for a fact pod runs quicker than Crail due to the immense grip level available so im certain it wouldnt be a wasted trip for me. 1.6x 60ft's at pod, no probs.

As to uphill...

Cant really see it myself to be fair, wouldnt be FIA approved it was anything to shout home about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TpUgcO050s

alloy

Leo i was there racing on the 21st. In the queue speaking to lots of other drivers, people were complaining how ill prepared the track was as they were noticing poorer 60ft times than previous visits....same as i also experienced....no doubt when they are on form and the track is prepared im sure it is the grippiest

i actually had my last run of the day against this "sh1tty corsa" (if it is the blue one?)....

Santa pod you can't see the slope but i am assured by people in the know that it is there, and that Shakespere is the fastest strip....don't shoot the messenger....but this is what i hear from people who are in the know.

alloy

A quick google later i found this from an old PH post...

According to Google Earth, the startline at Santa Pod is 104 MSL, the finish line is 106 and the end of the shutoff area is back down to 104. Course length is 1320.63 feet and the overall track length (course + shutdown) is 3879 feet, or 0.73 miles.

When Santa Pod was resurfaced and the startline repositioned in 1968, the quarter mile was surveyed by Surveyors, and there is a 4.18 foot rise from start to finish, an average gradient of 1.316 (figures from the May 1968 issue of Drag Racing & Hot Rod).

LEO-RS

Yes it is the shi*ty blue 1, if you FF the video to around 12mins in you will see its semi final and final. 11.0 in semi, 10.9 in final.

Did you beat it when you ran against it? I wasn't aware it was open doors for all, thought it was solely a FWD shootout.

Regardless and back to the original point, I think from Rich's point of view it would probably be advantageous if he ran at santapod. Some going for a car with only a software tune 550-560hp? (I guess?) Incredible infact, lower power than you but 10.9 vs your 11.1.

As to the gradient, good info, but not sure how much difference it would really make to be fair, 4ft is very slight over 1320ft.

Jimpreza

I am sure they will achieve 33mpg with the cruise at 70. However, when you have to keep braking and accelerating and with a bit of town driving this drops to the teens quite quickly. To be exepcted though on a car this this amount of power.

alloy

4ft is still a 4ft upward slope....of course it is a variable that is going to effect times! Just as much as you arguing about grip levels!!!

Yeh i beat him by a tenth or so 11.3s around there.

yup, the key is in the launch. I'm of the clarkson school of powaaa just mash the throttle and go for it with VDC off = abundance of wheel spin! His tactic of launching described in his post is what i'm going to try see how we get on.....finesse isnt a strong point of mine though

LEO-RS

Alloy, were you aware of the advantages of shallow staging the lights? I've always creeped forward and deep staged due to thinking along the lines of being closer to the finish line but the opposite is true, there's time to be made in shallow staging due to the free 1 ft rollout.

I wasn't aware of this until a few days ago but could chop 0.1-0.2s from an ET if done properly...http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f8/sh...e-times-16730/

alloy

yeh i'm aware of it, but i have no idea of how to judge it when i'm in the car and actually staging....i guess its worth trying to fine tune as i never pay attention to my reaction time anyway....will try to remember and judge it better this weekend, whats the secret, literally creep on your pre-stage and stop as soon as the stage light comes on, then you should be as far back from the beam?

Littleted

Now this has to be that 1000BHP GTR cos a normal one wouldnt do that.

I watched loads of these VS that Monster and they do give it a run but it always just powers off

What are the stats for that GTR anybody know cos thats just Insane LOL

I bet his fuel is 6mpg

And the answer i never knew that did you ?????

" This bugatti is runnin 500 horses. Bugattis come with two keys. The key that goes into the ignition releases 500 and another key by inserting it near the bottom driver side door. Unleashing all 1000. I know its running 500 cause the spoiler is raised kinda high and running 1000 it lowers and so does the car. Some badass technology "

LEO-RS

Yep, light the 1st stage and then creep forward mm by mm so the 2nd stage comes on and then hold on the brake pedal there.

It's possible to creep forward from this 2nd stage point by about 9-12inches using up the free 1 ft rollout. I always thought it was an advantage doing this but the complete opposite is true, you want to be as far back as possible so you're rolling before you hit the timing beam.

Deep stage is advantageous when RT is included in the 1/4m time for certain American events but for normal 1/4m racing, RT is not included so aim is to stage as shallow as possible. Not sure how much truth there is in it and what differences there are to be had but I'm going to give it a bash next time round.

A tenth is a tenth http://www.allpar.com/neon/racingneon.html

alloy

Not so sure about that one, but this one is the one to look out for. Currently 1200 as still bedding in (see the clock 500miles on it!!!) but it is a 1500bhp package at full tilt.....going to be racing the 1500bhp UGR Twin turbo Gallardos!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8jEa2r_Q8

alloy

Theory and logic is sound....i think we just agreed on something

Anders_WR1

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Sounds like a cheat IMO. If everyone knows about this 'trick' then fair enough, otherwise it's a scam as your car has travelled an extra 12" and gained an advantage before hitting the timing bream...

alloy

i think its only for the die hards with a point to prove or a hole to dig themselves out of

The rest of us pull up to the line and run our cars

LEO-RS

I think its a hidden secret to be fair, googling it brings up limited results. A search on here, GTROC, MLR yields very little info on this.

Hardly cheating though, just understanding of what you are doing

Anders_WR1

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If Usain Bolt could start 12" before the start line but only be timed from the start line, would it be a valid world record? Nuff said

Anders

LEO-RS

http://www.allpar.com/neon/racingneon.html

All legal so if the same case applied to Usain Bolt then I dont see why not.

In reality, I suspect most people when lining up will stop at or around the point where the 2nd stage lights up so will have the 12 or so inches free anyway. For those however that push through and inch ahead on the 2nd stage lights then there will be more of a gain as its better to have the full rollout.

I've just checked my vbox logs and in the first 12inches its taking my car around 0.2secs to cover 5mph, see here...



Now this is calculating the full 12 inches, If very shallow stage is 0 inches and very deep stage is 12 inches then I would gain 0.2secs by very shallow staging and be at 5mph before the timing beams started. I have been inching forward so deep staging but probably not as much as 12 inches, probably more like 8inches but knowing what I know now about shallow stage, I shall be launching now from 0 inches so i have the full 12 to take advantage of

I'm back again on Saturday if conditions are good so I will give it a bash then. If it's a lot of bollocks, I'll say so, but in theory as Alloy has said, it does sound logical and if it yields a tenth then it's a no brainer.