Ratko Mladic hunt: Arrest reported in Serbia
27 May 2011, 03:01 PM
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lol, no offence mate, but it isnt. The government knew this would happen, all the weopons, garrisons etc were in Serbia, and even worse there was no embargo imposed on the serb's, or croation's, only the muslims.
It happened because it was allowed to happen. Douglas Hurd went to meet Slobodan Milosevic after the war and shook hands with him, when he was deputy chairman of Natwest.
It seems you're missing the point, this genocide was allowed to happen, if the Bosnian's were allowed to arm themselves, it would never have happened, it happened because the Bosnian's were not armed and powerless to fight back.
27 May 2011, 03:12 PM
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lol, no offence mate, but it isnt. The government knew this would happen, all the weopons, garrisons etc were in Serbia, and even worse there was no embargo imposed on the serb's, or croation's, only the muslims.
It happened because it was allowed to happen. Douglas Hurd went to meet Slobodan Milosevic after the war and shook hands with him, when he was deputy chairman of Natwest.
It seems you're missing the point, this genocide was allowed to happen, if the Bosnian's were allowed to arm themselves, it would never have happened, it happened because the Bosnian's were not armed and powerless to fight back.
It happened because it was allowed to happen. Douglas Hurd went to meet Slobodan Milosevic after the war and shook hands with him, when he was deputy chairman of Natwest.
It seems you're missing the point, this genocide was allowed to happen, if the Bosnian's were allowed to arm themselves, it would never have happened, it happened because the Bosnian's were not armed and powerless to fight back.
27 May 2011, 03:30 PM
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It's difficult to know, isn't it? Watching it on C4 news, now. What a fûcking savage Mladic was! So calm and collected as he directed those men to their deaths: "we won't harm you".......makes me feel physically sick. I feel a little bit ashamed, too. A French general, Philippe Morillon had promised the refugees that they would be safe and a Dutch commander was to honour and make good on that promise. The UN and EU 'peacekeepers' assured the Bosnia-Herzegovinans that we were stronger than Milosevic's regime and those that trusted that pledge were put to death. On video. In plain sight. We failed them. Still, The Yanks took the lead, closed it off in the end.
It's interesting to ask why Saddam Hussein denounced the American bombing of the Muslim-killing Milosevic? Why did Qaddafi do the same?
It's interesting to ask why Saddam Hussein denounced the American bombing of the Muslim-killing Milosevic? Why did Qaddafi do the same?
As regards SH and CQ? LOL! They're idiots! Why bother with what they think? They just don't like the US. In SH's case, I can see why he would though, wouldn't you?
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27 May 2011, 03:38 PM
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I am the absolute LAST person on here to defend TDW, but I don't think he was sympathising. I didn't read it that way.
What's more scary is, as Tony pointed out, the man had support, and still has, to some extent.
Do we want Serbs in the EU? I don't.
What's more scary is, as Tony pointed out, the man had support, and still has, to some extent.
Do we want Serbs in the EU? I don't.
27 May 2011, 04:03 PM
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I agree with you. Not sure what the UN troops could have really done. Do you think they should have sacrificed themselves? Was outside of their mandate no? God knows, but the men in charge and on the ground would never be able to get it out of their minds I suspect.
As regards SH and CQ? LOL! They're idiots! Why bother with what they think? They just don't like the US. In SH's case, I can see why he would though, wouldn't you?
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As regards SH and CQ? LOL! They're idiots! Why bother with what they think? They just don't like the US. In SH's case, I can see why he would though, wouldn't you?
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27 May 2011, 04:12 PM
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At least they got a shot at helping , doesnt even brush the surface compared with the Rwandan situation .
But theyre just a load of tribalist darkies quite a long way off , so they count less , right
But theyre just a load of tribalist darkies quite a long way off , so they count less , right
27 May 2011, 04:59 PM
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27 May 2011, 05:49 PM
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What happened in Rwanda was dreadful and the world reaction to it compared to say 9/11 was also shameful. The thing that makes 9-11 more publicized is because it happened in the United States, a world super-power, resulted in a war, caused the mass stereotypical hatred of a religious group for very little reason, it was the first major attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, and if there is anything the American media does best... It's let the entire world know about something.
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28 May 2011, 12:18 AM
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lol, pass the vodka more like, you must be pissed out of your head if someone presents the facts to you, and you act like a spoilt brat, because it ruined your view of the world.
Check it out yourself, but I suppose for people like you ignorance is bliss, using your brain will no doubt shatter the illusion your under about this brilliant and benevolent "dumb" ocracy that we live in.
Cant be arsed wasting my time on ignorant idiots like you
28 May 2011, 01:24 AM
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lol, no offence mate, but it isnt. The government knew this would happen, all the weopons, garrisons etc were in Serbia, and even worse there was no embargo imposed on the serb's, or croation's, only the muslims.
It happened because it was allowed to happen. Douglas Hurd went to meet Slobodan Milosevic after the war and shook hands with him, when he was deputy chairman of Natwest.
It seems you're missing the point, this genocide was allowed to happen, if the Bosnian's were allowed to arm themselves, it would never have happened, it happened because the Bosnian's were not armed and powerless to fight back.
It happened because it was allowed to happen. Douglas Hurd went to meet Slobodan Milosevic after the war and shook hands with him, when he was deputy chairman of Natwest.
It seems you're missing the point, this genocide was allowed to happen, if the Bosnian's were allowed to arm themselves, it would never have happened, it happened because the Bosnian's were not armed and powerless to fight back.
As for your earlier comment about America not giving a to$$, it was they who tried hardest of any Western country to get the embargo overturned, for precisely the reasons you cited, so bit of a fail there I'm afraid.
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28 May 2011, 03:33 AM
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Technically you're wrong, there was an embargo in force on the whole of the ex-Yugoslavia, not just Bosnia. The problem was that the Serbs had more of the ex-Yugoslavian army's weapons, and were being resupplied illicitly by various ex-Soviet states, in breach of the embargo. That said, the Bosnians also managed to get their fair share of weapons by similar unofficial channels, but from Iran.
As for your earlier comment about America not giving a to$$, it was they who tried hardest of any Western country to get the embargo overturned, for precisely the reasons you cited, so bit of a fail there I'm afraid.
As for your earlier comment about America not giving a to$$, it was they who tried hardest of any Western country to get the embargo overturned, for precisely the reasons you cited, so bit of a fail there I'm afraid.
Technically, thats complete bs, im afraid, as for America, conveniently you have forgotten Bill Clintons "I did not have sex with that women speech", after the dirty b*****d got caught sticking cigars's up that girls vagina, then the bombing started, how many years too late for it to be of any good?
Bit of a coincedence, his speech was on tv too, anyway im out of this thread, too many ignorant people that dont like the truth, believe everything they read in the sun.
28 May 2011, 07:38 AM
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Technically you're wrong, there was an embargo in force on the whole of the ex-Yugoslavia, not just Bosnia. The problem was that the Serbs had more of the ex-Yugoslavian army's weapons, and were being resupplied illicitly by various ex-Soviet states, in breach of the embargo. That said, the Bosnians also managed to get their fair share of weapons by similar unofficial channels, but from Iran.
As for your earlier comment about America not giving a to$$, it was they who tried hardest of any Western country to get the embargo overturned, for precisely the reasons you cited, so bit of a fail there I'm afraid.
As for your earlier comment about America not giving a to$$, it was they who tried hardest of any Western country to get the embargo overturned, for precisely the reasons you cited, so bit of a fail there I'm afraid.
28 May 2011, 07:41 AM
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Technically, thats complete bs, im afraid, as for America, conveniently you have forgotten Bill Clintons "I did not have sex with that women speech", after the dirty b*****d got caught sticking cigars's up that girls vagina, then the bombing started, how many years too late for it to be of any good?
Bit of a coincedence, his speech was on tv too, anyway im out of this thread, too many ignorant people that dont like the truth, believe everything they read in the sun.
Bit of a coincedence, his speech was on tv too, anyway im out of this thread, too many ignorant people that dont like the truth, believe everything they read in the sun.
I think you will find the red top papers such as the Daily Fail and The Sun focussed more on the cigar incident that other papers
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28 May 2011, 08:20 AM
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Technically, thats complete bs, im afraid, as for America, conveniently you have forgotten Bill Clintons "I did not have sex with that women speech", after the dirty b*****d got caught sticking cigars's up that girls vagina, then the bombing started, how many years too late for it to be of any good?
Bit of a coincedence, his speech was on tv too, anyway im out of this thread, too many ignorant people that dont like the truth, believe everything they read in the sun.
Bit of a coincedence, his speech was on tv too, anyway im out of this thread, too many ignorant people that dont like the truth, believe everything they read in the sun.
28 May 2011, 09:09 AM
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it is a simple fact that if our weak and worthless so called leaders had given proper fire orders to the peacekeeping forces we would not be where we are today - i read once that a british armoured patrol with scimitars had to watch an attrocity happen as he was only allowed to fire short warning bursts over their heads - pathetic we should all be ashamed.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...364902,00.html
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/...364902,00.html
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28 May 2011, 09:44 AM
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Mostly its the fault of the UN, they are such a corrupt organisation its unbelievable
The peacekeepers as shown in Iain250's link, were only allowed small arms, no anti tank weapons, no Heavy calibre machine guns (.5 inch), just standard 7.62mm/5.56mm and limited ammunition (also no grenades, either smoke or HE).
This was one of the serbs directives for letting UN convoys through, including a full manifest of equipment, though some ingenious inventions were thought up on the British contingents behalf, it still meant that any extra ammo/weapons had to be smuggled in.
I will post some nice pictures up later (nothing gory), show you what a nice place it was.... trust me after seeing it, you will want anyone who committed atrocities out there hung, drawn and quartered.
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The peacekeepers as shown in Iain250's link, were only allowed small arms, no anti tank weapons, no Heavy calibre machine guns (.5 inch), just standard 7.62mm/5.56mm and limited ammunition (also no grenades, either smoke or HE).
This was one of the serbs directives for letting UN convoys through, including a full manifest of equipment, though some ingenious inventions were thought up on the British contingents behalf, it still meant that any extra ammo/weapons had to be smuggled in.
I will post some nice pictures up later (nothing gory), show you what a nice place it was.... trust me after seeing it, you will want anyone who committed atrocities out there hung, drawn and quartered.
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28 May 2011, 09:57 AM
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Mostly its the fault of the UN, they are such a corrupt organisation its unbelievable
The peacekeepers as shown in Iain250's link, were only allowed small arms, no anti tank weapons, no Heavy calibre machine guns (.5 inch), just standard 7.62mm/5.56mm and limited ammunition (also no grenades, either smoke or HE).
This was one of the serbs directives for letting UN convoys through, including a full manifest of equipment, though some ingenious inventions were thought up on the British contingents behalf, it still meant that any extra ammo/weapons had to be smuggled in.
I will post some nice pictures up later (nothing gory), show you what a nice place it was.... trust me after seeing it, you will want anyone who committed atrocities out there hung, drawn and quartered.
Tony
The peacekeepers as shown in Iain250's link, were only allowed small arms, no anti tank weapons, no Heavy calibre machine guns (.5 inch), just standard 7.62mm/5.56mm and limited ammunition (also no grenades, either smoke or HE).
This was one of the serbs directives for letting UN convoys through, including a full manifest of equipment, though some ingenious inventions were thought up on the British contingents behalf, it still meant that any extra ammo/weapons had to be smuggled in.
I will post some nice pictures up later (nothing gory), show you what a nice place it was.... trust me after seeing it, you will want anyone who committed atrocities out there hung, drawn and quartered.
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28 May 2011, 10:20 AM
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No they are pretty corrupt there are so many back handers going on, especially with any equipment they require, its paid at top dollar and you get given bottom quality, the rest of the money goes somewhere and its not where it should go! 
Plus they are totally gutless, say boo to them and they run away
even the french para commando's left us where we were, just us and the Norwegian medical contingent...
But the french did leave us their ration packs, think they were trying to kill us
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there are so many back handers going on, especially with any equipment they require, its paid at top dollar and you get given bottom quality, the rest of the money goes somewhere and its not where it should go! Plus they are totally gutless, say boo to them and they run away
even the french para commando's left us where we were, just us and the Norwegian medical contingent...But the french did leave us their ration packs, think they were trying to kill us
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28 May 2011, 06:45 PM
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Are you saying 9/11 was worse than Rwanda?
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28 May 2011, 07:41 PM
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I do remember at the time whay would have happened if British Paras had been in that position - and would the USAF/USN have come to their aid if they had chosen to fight?
Anyway, great that Mladic will never see daylight again, that's the very least he deserves!
29 May 2011, 12:46 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13587010
Facism's still alive and well, then. It kind of highlights Tony's point earlier; one mans murderous, genocidal bāstard, is another man's hero.
Facism's still alive and well, then. It kind of highlights Tony's point earlier; one mans murderous, genocidal bāstard, is another man's hero.
29 May 2011, 01:45 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13587010
Facism's still alive and well, then. It kind of highlights Tony's point earlier; one mans murderous, genocidal bāstard, is another man's hero.
Facism's still alive and well, then. It kind of highlights Tony's point earlier; one mans murderous, genocidal bāstard, is another man's hero.
Now back to the Monaco GP...
29 May 2011, 11:12 PM
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The film footage from Rwanda didn't make it onto the news until days or weeks after the killing was over because - shock, horror -
people don't generally tend to film themselves while they're going about committing genocide with machetes, nor do they hire in satellite broadcasting equipment to carry around with them so they can beam it live to the world! So, your claim that Rwanda wasn't headline news for weeks and months is utterly spurious.
The crucial difference, which god knows how seems to have escaped you, is that 9/11 was filmed and broadcast to the world while it actually happened, and therefore made its impact in a fundamentally more dramatic way.
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Well, I can see where you got your nickname, as with the size of that thing on your shoulder it must be visible from space.
The film footage from Rwanda didn't make it onto the news until days or weeks after the killing was over because - shock, horror -
people don't generally tend to film themselves while they're going about committing genocide with machetes, nor do they hire in satellite broadcasting equipment to carry around with them so they can beam it live to the world! So, your claim that Rwanda wasn't headline news for weeks and months is utterly spurious.
The crucial difference, which god knows how seems to have escaped you, is that 9/11 was filmed and broadcast to the world while it actually happened, and therefore made its impact in a fundamentally more dramatic way.
The film footage from Rwanda didn't make it onto the news until days or weeks after the killing was over because - shock, horror -
people don't generally tend to film themselves while they're going about committing genocide with machetes, nor do they hire in satellite broadcasting equipment to carry around with them so they can beam it live to the world! So, your claim that Rwanda wasn't headline news for weeks and months is utterly spurious.
The crucial difference, which god knows how seems to have escaped you, is that 9/11 was filmed and broadcast to the world while it actually happened, and therefore made its impact in a fundamentally more dramatic way.
It is plainly obvious that the towers would have more of an impact as it was on our TV screens for months afterwards and kicked off a much covered illegal war as well so there was no escape from it.
I was just stating that what happened in Rwanda was in my opinion a damn sight worse than what happened in America. If you think differently then fine , you obviously like to see the drama involved rather than the hard facts.