Type R
01 July 2014, 09:37 PM
#92
Oh, I like thread resurrections, especially when they're about my car, and suspension 
Yeah, struts & springs combo going pretty much exactly the same as they always have
The set-up deals brilliantly well with most stuff
A loop I like driving goes over the Long Mynd in Shropshire. As you're coming down (the pretty steep hill road) there's a section of sucessive undulations where things can get slightly bouncy and if you keep going at them in the wrong way could possibly bottom out.
My Forester STi deals with this road alot better of course
Other than that performance is difficult to fault, at pretty much any road speed , any condition
I fitted a new set of Yoko AD08's at the start of the year, and recently in the warmer conditions have been pulling some amusing G-force (well, certainly more than other times of year)
I dare say you could still get the OE V5/6 red dampers (those are the ones you mean, right?)
Pretty expensive, maybe worth it, certainly worth it if you can find a low mileage used set
Which reminds me, I still have mine (1K miles if that) in the loft. Maybe I should let those go now??
Yeah, struts & springs combo going pretty much exactly the same as they always have
The set-up deals brilliantly well with most stuff
A loop I like driving goes over the Long Mynd in Shropshire. As you're coming down (the pretty steep hill road) there's a section of sucessive undulations where things can get slightly bouncy and if you keep going at them in the wrong way could possibly bottom out.
My Forester STi deals with this road alot better of course
Other than that performance is difficult to fault, at pretty much any road speed , any condition
I fitted a new set of Yoko AD08's at the start of the year, and recently in the warmer conditions have been pulling some amusing G-force (well, certainly more than other times of year)
I dare say you could still get the OE V5/6 red dampers (those are the ones you mean, right?)
Pretty expensive, maybe worth it, certainly worth it if you can find a low mileage used set
Which reminds me, I still have mine (1K miles if that) in the loft. Maybe I should let those go now??
01 July 2014, 10:24 PM
#93
I'm assuming you sold the type r then ?
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
01 July 2014, 10:36 PM
#94
I have been reading this with interest as my type r has coilovers which I find a little too harsh. I have just finished refurbing a used set of p1 struts and springs. Stripped them and added the grease nipple mod to allow for future greasing should they knock. Now its ready to fit the damn council in Sheffield are resurfacing the roads meaning the coilovers work well on the smooth roads, less the bumps.
Problem I have now is that the coilovers are too hard on b roads, a57 for example, but I'm unsure if the standard p1 suspension, albeit with a 22mm white line adjustable arb, is too soft and bouncy? I could change the springs, but what to?
Problem I have now is that the coilovers are too hard on b roads, a57 for example, but I'm unsure if the standard p1 suspension, albeit with a 22mm white line adjustable arb, is too soft and bouncy? I could change the springs, but what to?
01 July 2014, 10:37 PM
#95
I'm assuming you sold the type r then ?
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
02 July 2014, 04:03 PM
#96
I'm assuming you sold the type r then ?
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
I was talking suspension with Stu 53 and he pointed me to your threads. I need to replace my set up on the RA and I wish to stay sensible as it's not track focused also I don't want it on the ground. It's head scratching as yes P1 springs are held in high esteem but no longer available new, also struts... Ok Sti RA struts what are they comparable to, where in the KYB scale would you have to look to match to OEM level ? My initial thoughts are KYB with Eibach springs.
My set up now is type r struts second hand with an unknown spring black in colour, car sits to high and feels a little "bouncy" on the rear.
Thanks for you write up's it's been interesting reading through them.
Problem is the springs. Eibach's are too soft and too low. Better off sourcing low mileage P1's, or perhaps some new joy might come from the efforts of 2pot on his 'P1 springs' thread...
If you can put up with you have now, I would be inclined to stick. You could spend a fair bit and find a minimal, if negative change
02 July 2014, 06:18 PM
#98
Sell the Type R - nooo, never!
Problem is the springs. Eibach's are too soft and too low. Better off sourcing low mileage P1's, or perhaps some new joy might come from the efforts of 2pot on his 'P1 springs' thread...
If you can put up with you have now, I would be inclined to stick. You could spend a fair bit and find a minimal, if negative change
Problem is the springs. Eibach's are too soft and too low. Better off sourcing low mileage P1's, or perhaps some new joy might come from the efforts of 2pot on his 'P1 springs' thread...
If you can put up with you have now, I would be inclined to stick. You could spend a fair bit and find a minimal, if negative change
Although it's greatly damper related, both Scott and I, find the P1 rears bouncy. But, one of the P1 suspension design parameters, was comfort over longer distances. Don't think that's so important now.
The available kyb dampers and koni inserts have been tested at Bilstein. I've also dropped off 22b rear struts and the wr early struts.
The new, less compliant, rear spring design is the same ride height as the jdm 22b and the wr99. That's 6mm lower than the P1.
The new, front spring design will be taller than the lowered sti pink, and taller than the early, closed, ground top, wr blue. The new spring rate will split the difference between the two. The new front spring will be 10mm lower than the P1.
The trick is getting the new spring to fit/work with new kyb/koni and existing bilstein dampers + a lower rated set of springs to work with kyb excel-g's.
03 July 2014, 08:59 AM
#99
I was very surprised indeed when I bought the car to find it did everything in a way I was completely with. All my previously owned Imprezas' have seen hefty suspension mods to get them to perform the way I wanted, not to the Forester
STi worked a little miracle on the car in getting it just right. The car was lowered considerably, extended bottom ball joints added to keep roll centre.
Dampers and springs are just right. They give long travel and deal with typically poor UK roads brilliantly
Roll is kept in order with decent sized arbs, it was given a closer ratio 'box with extended 6th, big Brembo's, 18" alloys along with some engine mods
In short, a better rounded product than many Impreza's
The only thing I changed was the rear arb for a slightly thicker one which dialed out the 'safe understeer' most manufacturers set, trimmed the handling a little, and changed the rotational balance of the car to a more neutral, provakeable oversteer
Here it is doing just that
Last edited by bonesetter; 03 July 2014 at 09:00 AM.
03 July 2014, 09:04 AM
#100
I was just off to the group buy section to say - Eibach will do a minimum run of 25 sets of P1 springs - helps having leverage from the designer.
Although it's greatly damper related, both Scott and I, find the P1 rears bouncy. But, one of the P1 suspension design parameters, was comfort over longer distances. Don't think that's so important now.
The available kyb dampers and koni inserts have been tested at Bilstein. I've also dropped off 22b rear struts and the wr early struts.
The new, less compliant, rear spring design is the same ride height as the jdm 22b and the wr99. That's 6mm lower than the P1.
The new, front spring design will be taller than the lowered sti pink, and taller than the early, closed, ground top, wr blue. The new spring rate will split the difference between the two. The new front spring will be 10mm lower than the P1.
The trick is getting the new spring to fit/work with new kyb/koni and existing bilstein dampers + a lower rated set of springs to work with kyb excel-g's.
Although it's greatly damper related, both Scott and I, find the P1 rears bouncy. But, one of the P1 suspension design parameters, was comfort over longer distances. Don't think that's so important now.
The available kyb dampers and koni inserts have been tested at Bilstein. I've also dropped off 22b rear struts and the wr early struts.
The new, less compliant, rear spring design is the same ride height as the jdm 22b and the wr99. That's 6mm lower than the P1.
The new, front spring design will be taller than the lowered sti pink, and taller than the early, closed, ground top, wr blue. The new spring rate will split the difference between the two. The new front spring will be 10mm lower than the P1.
The trick is getting the new spring to fit/work with new kyb/koni and existing bilstein dampers + a lower rated set of springs to work with kyb excel-g's.
And am certainly looking forward to trying a set of the finished springs
16 August 2014, 12:47 PM
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After months of trying to make a decision and then looking and viewing, I've just collected a truly stunning Type R...
Big thanks to Dave Garret (member) who has made a first class job of bringing an exceptional Scooby to an even higher standard. For sale thread
Car has covered just 40K miles. The underneath is 'as good' as the outer bodywork, which is amazing - see pics below
The engine is from a WR1 which has been rebuilt by Pennine Subaru. It hasn't been mapped yet as the engine has only got 1000 running-in miles, but I have to say of all the 7 Scooby's owned, and others I've listened to, this engine already is the sweetest I've heard. Me and a couple of mechanic, ex racers have standing over the engine bay just listening to the music
Here's a couple of pics (more on the for sale thread)
Big thanks to Dave Garret (member) who has made a first class job of bringing an exceptional Scooby to an even higher standard. For sale thread
Car has covered just 40K miles. The underneath is 'as good' as the outer bodywork, which is amazing - see pics below
The engine is from a WR1 which has been rebuilt by Pennine Subaru. It hasn't been mapped yet as the engine has only got 1000 running-in miles, but I have to say of all the 7 Scooby's owned, and others I've listened to, this engine already is the sweetest I've heard. Me and a couple of mechanic, ex racers have standing over the engine bay just listening to the music
Here's a couple of pics (more on the for sale thread)
16 August 2014, 09:32 PM
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22 March 2015, 05:51 PM
#110
Cross post from a suspension thread, but thought it good to post here too by way of an update:
For the sake of balance
I was out in my Type R a few days ago for a 150 miler, for the first time since onset of winter, and the experience was nothing short of stunning I had forgotten what the car goes like
Steering input gives the car the sensation of rotating on a pivot, the point of which is my driving seat. This feels a little odd to begin with, but very soon becomes intuitive
This helps the car go around a bend enormously
When pushing on, the wheel can be flicked on corner entry to transfer weight, and the car is already 'turning' and set-up for the bend's exit
Power can be brought back on much earlier to power the car through and out of the bend - it's nothing short of a thing of beauty to use. The car is easy and stable to drive fast - almost drives itself and is devastatingly fast cross country
My Type R has had V5/6 STi red dampers (brought new from a dealer), and currently Bilsteins (P1/WR etc) with OE P1 springs
Front bar is 22 on stiffest setting
Rear is 24 on middle
The car NEVER understeers - something I don't want any of
It also will only oversteer if very aggressively provoked. I never worry about the car oversteering, and consider the balance neutral and safe which is always my number one driving priority
If I set the rear bar to soft, I get understeer
The roads I drive on have a mix of pretty much everything in them - yumps, compressions, off-camber, hairpins you name it - 'suspension' copes with with it all with no issue. no rear wheel lifting, jacking etc
The ride is comfortable with a 'float' (springs) which is progressive with loading
I've owned many Impreza's over the years and tried many combinations, so speak from real world experience, not to mention a broken wallet
I have just fitted a rear bar on on my Swift Sport daily for more rotation and dial out factory set understeer
Of course, there are many different ways to skin a cat, as well as different folk having different preferences
Other points perhaps worth a mention:
ALK
Castor mod
Front H brace
Sill brace bars
Diff brace with solid bushings
In-car rear floor brace bar
Drop links, steering bushes
Brembo's
17" Yokohama AD08's
330 BHP
Yes, the most stunning & fun car I've ever owned
For the sake of balance
I was out in my Type R a few days ago for a 150 miler, for the first time since onset of winter, and the experience was nothing short of stunning I had forgotten what the car goes like
Steering input gives the car the sensation of rotating on a pivot, the point of which is my driving seat. This feels a little odd to begin with, but very soon becomes intuitive
This helps the car go around a bend enormously
When pushing on, the wheel can be flicked on corner entry to transfer weight, and the car is already 'turning' and set-up for the bend's exit
Power can be brought back on much earlier to power the car through and out of the bend - it's nothing short of a thing of beauty to use. The car is easy and stable to drive fast - almost drives itself and is devastatingly fast cross country
My Type R has had V5/6 STi red dampers (brought new from a dealer), and currently Bilsteins (P1/WR etc) with OE P1 springs
Front bar is 22 on stiffest setting
Rear is 24 on middle
The car NEVER understeers - something I don't want any of
It also will only oversteer if very aggressively provoked. I never worry about the car oversteering, and consider the balance neutral and safe which is always my number one driving priority
If I set the rear bar to soft, I get understeer
The roads I drive on have a mix of pretty much everything in them - yumps, compressions, off-camber, hairpins you name it - 'suspension' copes with with it all with no issue. no rear wheel lifting, jacking etc
The ride is comfortable with a 'float' (springs) which is progressive with loading
I've owned many Impreza's over the years and tried many combinations, so speak from real world experience, not to mention a broken wallet
I have just fitted a rear bar on on my Swift Sport daily for more rotation and dial out factory set understeer
Of course, there are many different ways to skin a cat, as well as different folk having different preferences
Other points perhaps worth a mention:
ALK
Castor mod
Front H brace
Sill brace bars
Diff brace with solid bushings
In-car rear floor brace bar
Drop links, steering bushes
Brembo's
17" Yokohama AD08's
330 BHP
Yes, the most stunning & fun car I've ever owned
22 March 2015, 11:58 PM
#111
Cross post from a suspension thread, but thought it good to post here too by way of an update:
For the sake of balance
I was out in my Type R a few days ago for a 150 miler, for the first time since onset of winter, and the experience was nothing short of stunning I had forgotten what the car goes like
Steering input gives the car the sensation of rotating on a pivot, the point of which is my driving seat. This feels a little odd to begin with, but very soon becomes intuitive
This helps the car go around a bend enormously
When pushing on, the wheel can be flicked on corner entry to transfer weight, and the car is already 'turning' and set-up for the bend's exit
Power can be brought back on much earlier to power the car through and out of the bend - it's nothing short of a thing of beauty to use. The car is easy and stable to drive fast - almost drives itself and is devastatingly fast cross country
My Type R has had V5/6 STi red dampers (brought new from a dealer), and currently Bilsteins (P1/WR etc) with OE P1 springs
Front bar is 22 on stiffest setting
Rear is 24 on middle
The car NEVER understeers - something I don't want any of
It also will only oversteer if very aggressively provoked. I never worry about the car oversteering, and consider the balance neutral and safe which is always my number one driving priority
If I set the rear bar to soft, I get understeer
The roads I drive on have a mix of pretty much everything in them - yumps, compressions, off-camber, hairpins you name it - 'suspension' copes with with it all with no issue. no rear wheel lifting, jacking etc
The ride is comfortable with a 'float' (springs) which is progressive with loading
I've owned many Impreza's over the years and tried many combinations, so speak from real world experience, not to mention a broken wallet
I have just fitted a rear bar on on my Swift Sport daily for more rotation and dial out factory set understeer
Of course, there are many different ways to skin a cat, as well as different folk having different preferences
Other points perhaps worth a mention:
ALK
Castor mod
Front H brace
Sill brace bars
Diff brace with solid bushings
In-car rear floor brace bar
Drop links, steering bushes
Brembo's
17" Yokohama AD08's
330 BHP
Yes, the most stunning & fun car I've ever owned
For the sake of balance
I was out in my Type R a few days ago for a 150 miler, for the first time since onset of winter, and the experience was nothing short of stunning I had forgotten what the car goes like
Steering input gives the car the sensation of rotating on a pivot, the point of which is my driving seat. This feels a little odd to begin with, but very soon becomes intuitive
This helps the car go around a bend enormously
When pushing on, the wheel can be flicked on corner entry to transfer weight, and the car is already 'turning' and set-up for the bend's exit
Power can be brought back on much earlier to power the car through and out of the bend - it's nothing short of a thing of beauty to use. The car is easy and stable to drive fast - almost drives itself and is devastatingly fast cross country
My Type R has had V5/6 STi red dampers (brought new from a dealer), and currently Bilsteins (P1/WR etc) with OE P1 springs
Front bar is 22 on stiffest setting
Rear is 24 on middle
The car NEVER understeers - something I don't want any of
It also will only oversteer if very aggressively provoked. I never worry about the car oversteering, and consider the balance neutral and safe which is always my number one driving priority
If I set the rear bar to soft, I get understeer
The roads I drive on have a mix of pretty much everything in them - yumps, compressions, off-camber, hairpins you name it - 'suspension' copes with with it all with no issue. no rear wheel lifting, jacking etc
The ride is comfortable with a 'float' (springs) which is progressive with loading
I've owned many Impreza's over the years and tried many combinations, so speak from real world experience, not to mention a broken wallet
I have just fitted a rear bar on on my Swift Sport daily for more rotation and dial out factory set understeer
Of course, there are many different ways to skin a cat, as well as different folk having different preferences
Other points perhaps worth a mention:
ALK
Castor mod
Front H brace
Sill brace bars
Diff brace with solid bushings
In-car rear floor brace bar
Drop links, steering bushes
Brembo's
17" Yokohama AD08's
330 BHP
Yes, the most stunning & fun car I've ever owned
Paul
17 May 2018, 09:16 AM
#116
The Type R is a proper Scooby
There's just no hiding the later car's weight. 1250 vs a rather lardy 1480 Kg's
The R is so much more lively, agile and responsive at all speeds You can change your line more easily, rotate the car through bends more effectively. The whole experience is more intuitive, fun and raw
The hatch rewards a smoother driving style. I'm sure if some of the bush 'slop' was taken out things would improve
I'm collecting the hatch from TDR Warwick today, it's had some turbo problems after a right ***** up by Chevron Motorsport Stafford
18 May 2018, 08:16 AM
#120
Thanks hedge
The Type R is a proper Scooby
There's just no hiding the later car's weight. 1250 vs a rather lardy 1480 Kg's
The R is so much more lively, agile and responsive at all speeds You can change your line more easily, rotate the car through bends more effectively. The whole experience is more intuitive, fun and raw
The hatch rewards a smoother driving style. I'm sure if some of the bush 'slop' was taken out things would improve
I'm collecting the hatch from TDR Warwick today, it's had some turbo problems after a right ***** up by Chevron Motorsport Stafford
The Type R is a proper Scooby
There's just no hiding the later car's weight. 1250 vs a rather lardy 1480 Kg's
The R is so much more lively, agile and responsive at all speeds You can change your line more easily, rotate the car through bends more effectively. The whole experience is more intuitive, fun and raw
The hatch rewards a smoother driving style. I'm sure if some of the bush 'slop' was taken out things would improve
I'm collecting the hatch from TDR Warwick today, it's had some turbo problems after a right ***** up by Chevron Motorsport Stafford