Who is to blame for fractured Britain.
25 May 2011, 11:54 PM
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On the face of it broken Britain can be attributed to more than just immigration:
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Immigration (in some respects) may well be one of the problems this country faces, but it is just one issue amongst a whole list of others as you have mentioned.
I know the whole 'two wrongs don't make a right arguement', and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, however, it may be an area which requires more control but immigrants certainly aren't to blame for all the ills of this country as some users would like to make out.
26 May 2011, 12:01 AM
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very true however if and its a big if they where not here at least there would be jobs that the unemployed white trash could be forced to do therefore resolving at least one of this dunghole of a countries problems
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26 May 2011, 12:01 AM
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On the face of it broken Britain can be attributed to more than just immigration:
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
26 May 2011, 12:51 AM
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It's very easy to say the immigrants have stolen jobs, but they should never have been there to be stolen in the first place.
26 May 2011, 08:05 AM
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26 May 2011, 08:08 AM
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You will never get an answer to that question.
Tony would deal with others with a "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" attitude, he loves that sort of stuff when it comes to, say, stopping and searching brown people in the streets.
For himself however, he applies a different standard.
26 May 2011, 08:33 AM
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On the face of it broken Britain can be attributed to more than just immigration:
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
You could add uncontrolled immigration from EU and non-EU countries
Ghetto-isation and lack of integration into mainstream society in certain areas
The route if the problem is successive weak self-serving and self interested governments who have let the population down. being subnserviant to the EU and whatever rules it imposes on us is also strangling this country.
I do not have a problem with immigration as such, i do have a problem with immigration to do low skilled jobs that can easily be covered off by work-shy and carer/lifestyle unemployed and we should be forcing the work-shy to work first and then filling any gaps second.
he does like to swallow!
26 May 2011, 08:59 AM
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On the face of it broken Britain can be attributed to more than just immigration:
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
26 May 2011, 09:13 AM
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26 May 2011, 09:43 AM
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There are still jobs 'white trash' could be forced to do. That really doesn't matter if we don't have a government willing to force them or significantly shake up the system to prevent this career scrounging that exists.
It's very easy to say the immigrants have stolen jobs, but they should never have been there to be stolen in the first place.
It's very easy to say the immigrants have stolen jobs, but they should never have been there to be stolen in the first place.
I think the current government are trying to do what they can to end this benefit culture. They are looking to make radical changes to current system and do away with all the multitudes of different benefits with just a single universal credit system which should start kicking in in 2013. As we all know too well, obviously this one shoe fits all type of state benefit is not going to suite everyone and no doubt many people could be left out of pocket. But I hope that this reform will change the system so that it will be harder to milk the system and make it less attractive to live off the state and turn around the mindset of the current and the next generation that living off the welfare state is not a career option. Will the reform work, who knows, but I'd rather suffer some the pain that this reform will inevitably bring than continue with the status quo.
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26 May 2011, 09:58 AM
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With regards to the workshy career benefit claimants, we have a generation of children growing up in households where living off the state is the norm. The current system is easy to defraud for those who have grown up in this system; single parents popping out children left, right and centre claiming all the benefits under the sun to getting a bigger house and we also have "fit to work" people choosing not to work as they see themselves worse off by working. Of course "forcing" someone to do a job would go against their human rights!
I think the current government are trying to do what they can to end this benefit culture. They are looking to make radical changes to current system and do away with all the multitudes of different benefits with just a single universal credit system which should start kicking in in 2013. As we all know too well, obviously this one shoe fits all type of state benefit is not going to suite everyone and no doubt many people could be left out of pocket. But I hope that this reform will change the system so that it will be harder to milk the system and make it less attractive to live off the state and turn around the mindset of the current and the next generation that living off the welfare state is not a career option. Will the reform work, who knows, but I'd rather suffer some the pain that this reform will inevitably bring than continue with the status quo.
I think the current government are trying to do what they can to end this benefit culture. They are looking to make radical changes to current system and do away with all the multitudes of different benefits with just a single universal credit system which should start kicking in in 2013. As we all know too well, obviously this one shoe fits all type of state benefit is not going to suite everyone and no doubt many people could be left out of pocket. But I hope that this reform will change the system so that it will be harder to milk the system and make it less attractive to live off the state and turn around the mindset of the current and the next generation that living off the welfare state is not a career option. Will the reform work, who knows, but I'd rather suffer some the pain that this reform will inevitably bring than continue with the status quo.
26 May 2011, 10:40 AM
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The Guardian is about the only paper that every now and talks any sense, but then given their political stance you wouldn't like what they write whether it be true or not would you now? Their piece on Libya and Cameron was spot on for instance!
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26 May 2011, 10:56 AM
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It's easy to take that blanket cyclical stance, and I notice a lot of lefty types do, but the fact is we have an open press in this country and there laws etc to stop libel and we have a press complains commission etc.
Seems to be sometime people just us the fact that untruths have sometimes been told in the press, to bat away any fact that don't fit their world-view.
Seems to be sometime people just us the fact that untruths have sometimes been told in the press, to bat away any fact that don't fit their world-view.
26 May 2011, 11:09 AM
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26 May 2011, 11:15 AM
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On the face of it broken Britain can be attributed to more than just immigration:
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
Within our government we have unscrupulous and dishonest MPs milking the system for all they can get
We have the workshy chavs milking the welfare state for all they can get
We have a blame culture where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions
We have faltering economy that will see our children pay for the excesses of the past decade
We have a judicial system that allows criminals get away offences as it would infringe their human rights and in some cases comes before the rights of the victim
We have large demographic that has no ethics to finding work and to do a hard days graft
We have an exaggerated and distorted view to maintaining political correctness
We are bound by the EU to bailing out other EU countries before our own
We have a laws that could criminalise the victim should they choose to defend their home and family against intruders
We have gang culture were children and young adults think nothing to shooting or stabbing people
We have a law that allows squatters take possession of your home
We have a culture where should we witness someone distressed or being attacked we turn a blind eye
We have quirks in the law where you can, for example, be sentenced for years for non-violent minor offences but see a 12 month driving ban for killing someone for dangerous driving
Our law is governed by the human rights act that allows criminals to twist the law to their advantage
A health care service driven by targets and costs rather than quality of care
A police force that is tied up in highly target driven bureaucratic system
Im sure any of you could think of more.
From what I have seen over the years, a great deal of those things you mention stem from the example of the country's leaders. I seem to remember it started in earnest during Harold's time!
Les
26 May 2011, 11:27 AM
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Having just read through this again it is refreshing that most people on this thread do actually seem to get the fact that immigration is not our biggest issue in the UK and that there are worse problems we need to sort out.
26 May 2011, 11:37 AM
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There are facts and there are opinions.. The Telegraph story quoted some statistics (facts).
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