tony de wonderful

Good article about immigration in the Telegraph. Worth reading.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Britain.html

It's about time people started talking honestly about this.

alcazar

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Who is to blame?

Thatcher started the rot, Bliar and ****-Brown finished the job.

DCI Gene Hunt

Interesting article - it sounded like every British ex-pat community I'd ever seen..... albeit without the islamist taint... a few key word changes and Costa Del Sol here we are:

f1_fan

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That's about the size of it.

Easier to blame the immigrants though than look at our own home grown problems

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Nah that's OK as we are British and white

Dirk Diggler 75

Too little...Too late...............

The Zohan

and two wrongs do not make a right either! Have you read the article? if not, suggest you do...

Dirk Diggler 75

Previous governments have ignored or hidden the real problems of mass immigration,using foreigners as cheap labour during the boom years sometimes undercutting homegrown workers....
A lot of people say (I MIX WITH ALLSORTS OF PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND CULTURES ETC) but i wouldn't want to live next door to them.
If you are coming here it should be mandatory to learn english,if i were to move abroad to a non english speaking country the first thing i would do is learn the language and try to integrate into society........

SJ_Skyline

I blame Tony Blair

Leslie

Can you explain how Mrs Thatcher started off mass immigration.

Les

Leslie

It was all part of Billy Liar's plot to undermine this country and eventually hand us over to the Eu.

Les

tony de wonderful

The Author isn't talking about Spain but about the UK (or more specifically S. Ealing).

What is you point? Are you in favour of what has happened the last 10 years?

tony de wonderful

But the immigrants - or more specifically - the sheer volume of them, is THE problem regardless of who's fault it is they are here.

Funkii Munkii

If we are going to blame Thatch we may as well blame Hitler, Chamerlain and Churchill , our boys were sent to war because of Hitler, got killed which left us with a lack of man power allowing Atlee to bring in masses from abroard to fill the void.

Or we could look at the last Labour govt that made it all too easy for people to live comfortably off the state, abusing it at will, thus giving us a generation of scroungers, chavs and neds and imigrants who knew a good thing when they saw it, FFS they were queueing up at the entrance to the channel tunnel because it was so easy to rape the British system.

The Nu Labour legacy

At least Thatch expected people to go out and earn their money.

Dirk Diggler 75

Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher who killed British Coal,British Steel etc...
The only thing she did right was protect the Falkland Islands and allow council tenants the right to buy.........

CREWJ

I read the whole article and I tend to agree with him. Some of the comments for the article don't seem to understand what the author has written.

He has no problem with immigration, what he has a problem with is the fact that there are becoming less and less natives by percentage every year. Now this wouldn't be a problem if everybody integrated but the fact is, whole communities come over, take over and remove any trace that a village/town was ever British.

jonc

I think the issue is the volume of immigrants coming into this country and the difference is that generally ex-pats aren't a drain on their host country. A lot of the eastern europeans come over as "benefit tourists" and the money they earn/claim does not go back into the UK ecomony but back to the country they came from.

jonc

The militant unions back then were as much to blame for the decline.

Dirk Diggler 75

Fair point, the unions didn't help themselves but the government of the 80's destroyed close knit mining communities which are still suffering to this day....

f1_fan

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No it's not the problem!!!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I think alcazar is referring to the general destruction of the UK's manufacturing industries and society in general

Leslie

Yes ok, I seem to remember that she was dead against mass immigration.

Les

scud8

iTrader: (1)

We do seem to bend over backwards to help immigrants avoid learning english though - particularly with requirements for various public services to provide translation services. In Spain, if you want to use the health service you either have to be fluent in Spanish (or Valencian or Catalan in those regions) or bring your own interpreter - otherwise the doctor will refuse to see you.

That aside the comparison is sound. It difficult to say what is the chicken and what is the egg though - is the lack of integration responsible for hostility from the natives or vice-versa. My experience of Spain suggests it is a bit of both. My parents live in a small village in the mountains in the Valencia region and have made a significant effort to learn Spanish, but the locals don't believe in speaking slower to help out and some even insist on speaking Valencian (when they would be perfectly happy speaking Spanish to another local) to make it even harder.

tony de wonderful

Yes it is.

Too many immigrants too fast, it causes social problems.

Are the Politicians to blames for the rise of Islamism also on these shores?

DCI Gene Hunt

I made my point, try re-reading my post, I'd like to oblige so can you list exactly what you're referring to in the last ten years that you think I may be in favour of....

JTaylor

I notice this all the time - I read some comments from users and think that they must be responding to the wrong thread.

DCI Gene Hunt

Yep, they're a funny bunch - I've a place there within a small urbanisation outside of Marbella, I'm the only expat with a place there and I'm not part of any British clique either. I did venture to Fuengirola last week to meet a couple I know and the place was shocking (apart from a surprising nice pint of the black stuff), full to the rafters of paddy ex-pats running Guinness bars which were crammed full of paddy holiday makers. While talking to one of the bar owners (who'd been there over 18 years) he was telling me that he couldn't hold a conversation in Spanish and had to run to a local hotel for help if anyone hurt themselves while in his bar and needed an ambulance calling etc. - I was somewhat surprised at the complete lack of effort these people had made, or seemed willing to make. So I suppose this is why the rest of Spain views all British expats with the same contempt - almost a blatant refusal to integrate into their society!

Maybe we should reset things like Israel are about to .... 1967 Israeli Borders and 1967 UK Immigration Levels

f1_fan

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No, a lazy, benefit scrounging native underclass of cheap unintelligent white trash causes social problems. The welfare state is the cuase of much bigger probelms in the UK than any immigration.

As for the rise of Islamism I really do think you (and a few others) need to get a grip.

EddScott

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