I think you mean perceived

RTM button to the left of every post mate, feel free to use it.

Nope You can roll eyes all you want. However if you saw a post from tdw calling muslims trash you would be on his ***** like a rabid dog.

Why do Premiership football teams invest in foreign players rather than investing in a home grown youth policy?

Probably cheaper than spending time training and developing youth in order to get quicker results at the expense of football in this country in the future which is proven by consistent under achievement of the national team.

Absolutely bang on. At my last job there was a majority of foreign workers, mainly from Poland. Some of these guys were very clever, accountants, bank workers etc but over here they could earn £22k a year working nights in a warehouse. Again the points above ring very true; earn their money here, shop only in the cheapest supermarkets, buy everything else on trips "home". Not necessarily their fault for wanting a better life but made far to easily for probably skilled people to come here and do non skilled jobs (in some cases).

LOL yes that is a definition of conceive, but your usage is wrong. I haven't formed them or developed them have I? That was their parents job I may, however, have conceived the notion they are my enemies and therefore perceive them to be so. (I don't btw as this is an Internet forum and not the real world - thankfully )

As for the remainder of your post well maybe I am just reacting to the general rhetoric thrown around these parts for the last 12 months

Très bon.

TDW, aren't you Jewish and therefore an immigrant or sorts yourself?

If so what effect do you think the mass influx of Jews over the years has had on UK culture?

I have never said I am Jewish and I would never say there has been a 'mass' influx of Jews to the UK.

I never asked you whether you said you were Jewish, but from some of your comments I seemed to have got that impression. It was only an impression though. So may I ask whether you have any 'immigrant' blood in you?

Btw, I would say depending on where you live one could get the impression that there are masses of Jews here. Drive through many parts of North London and this is what you will see

Don't forget the Romans, bloody coming over here, building bloody roads and aquaducts......

For me the majority of the blame has to lie with militant trade unions in the ‘70’s and early ‘80’s who lead to frequent strikes that resulted in reduced confidence in UK export of goods, commodities and services loosing trade from other countries. Striking miners in the ‘70’s for example, had a massive knock on effect on the UK economy; no coal = no power = no steel = no cars, simplistic, but you get the idea. Thatcher had the right strategy of allowing power stations to stock pile coal to see the country through any strike action. Also environmental pressures accelerated the move to oil and gas from coal for heating homes and generating power .

The UK had a massive automotive industry during this era also. But with increasing overseas competition that were generally better made than our own saw our share of the market dwindle as demand move to cheaper and better made units from Japan and Germany. They brought to the masses the likes of the Golf GTI and Datsun 240Z where as in the UK we had the Leyand Marina and Princess. But the unions stifled the management and prevented them from adapting and implementing efficiencies that would allow them to complete with their overseas counterparts. The UK used to take pride in engineering innovation and design which brought us memorable classics such as the E-type and the DB5. Innovation and design still lives on in niche marques whilst mass production of cars in the UK lies in Swindon (Honda), Sunderland (Nissan) and Dagenham (Ford). The original British marques are now owned by other overseas manufacturer or have disappeared like TVR.

Much of this could be said of the British steel industry too. Lack of investment, the use of outdated technology, high production costs and increase of competition on the world market. The government of the ‘70’s heavily subsidised these industries and kept employment artificially high which could only mean one thing for these UK industries where on a global scale their industry was getting ever more competitive, efficient and innovative.

This isn’t to say that the UK is no longer innovative or enterprising, it’s just that the UK economy as a whole is no longer geared towards to the blue collar industry and this has invariably lead to a shift of the economy creating a socio-economic and political north south divide.

My dad had a Morris Marina.

*Sigh* Thats exactly the point, we produce more with less people - THATS A GOOD THING! Thats the increase in productivity thats drives our living standards.

Anyway that means we dont have to use them immigrants, to get this back on topic....

Well living in Ealing, and about 5 minutes away from South Ealing I have to question the article.

Seems like the 'journalist' has a chip on their shoulder. When people come to a new country thet bring part of their culture with them. The older Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi generations have all done this in Britain. The Native folk have benefited in many ways, tasty food being one of them, and almost 24hr shopping at cost co. There has been partial integration - some of em love a good fry up ).

However the problem with todays imigration is that a larger proportion (comparead to yesteryear) of the people coming here, have zero interest in respecting the 'Home' culture. Now i must say, I see this least from the Poles, they will speak to you in English, are polite, and dont seem to expect a hand out.

I have no problems with a few Polski Skleps popping up (as they have done in Ealing shopping centre), just brings a diversity to our shopping list. Its only natural for those wishing to stay here to want the taste of home, especially if you only ever get to go back once a year.

The true problem is the expantion of the IISHZs (Illegal Immigrant **** Hole Zone) - Bradford, some parts of Birmingham, Southall, and to a lesser extent West Ealing. These places seem to belong to the 3rd world, and seem to be the ideal place for radicalisation of anyone pissed off at having to live in an area where the streats are never clean. These areas attract people of less scrupulous character like flies to freshly baked apple pie on a warm summers day. This is where the 'immigration problem' lies.

Clean these places up, remove those who shouldnt be there, make it almost impossible for people coming here to claim any form of benefit unless they have been here for a significant length of time, (5years + with employment for those years, and evidence of taxes paid, and wages spent in the country) and only alow people who bring valuable skills to the country to come here in the first place.

IT will never happen though, too many people will be offended, and they will never get round to filling out all the necessary risk assessments.

A good post...And very accurate..

The only problem is that in the countries that you mention,only a small percentage of them make up the immigrant percentage in the UK..

The rest is made up of Pakistani's,Bangladeshi's and Chinese...

That explains a lot!

You missed out Afghans and Iraqis (seriously)

I get a little bored of F1 and others who say this country is responsible for it's own problems with issues such as work shy chavs and benefits funding the workshy. These are huge problems and as i say two wrongs rarely make a right. The people, the ordinary people are not responsible, the governments who allowed this to happen are and the people are rightly angry, not racist or fascist, just angry and feel betrayed and let down at what they see.

Mass immigration is not good, the way the mass immigration has allowed the lack of integration is even worse creating distrust and dislike - all down to governments like NL who treated this country like their own social private experiment without regard for the consequences.

How can an illegal immigrant claim ( doesnt make sense ! )

, he cant - this thread is dead in the water

Absolutely spot-on, as always, Duncan. Great post!

And I get VERY bored of people who ignore the major problems in this country and focus solely on problems caused by so called mass immigration. Still it's an easy option so not surprising!

That is just semantics, since an asylum seekers is basically just an illegal who claims to be seeking asylum, and most take years for their status to be determined by courts, and if they are declared unfit for asylum they either can't deport them, or they have been here so long they get citizenship anyway!

Besides do illegals have no presence in the 'community'? Are they invisible?

Tdw, you haven't answered my question

Everyone is ultimately an immigrant to the UK, what is your point?

I recognise the problems 'we' have and have done so on many, many threads Many, many other posters have as well as myself.

It appears it you who needs to accept that there are other problems such as the uncontrolled mass immigration this country has had for the past 10+ years and no integration into the existing society with successive governments allowing ghetto-iseation and the mistrust and social problems that it entails also how about accepting two wrongs do not make a right and not to discount mass immigration and all that it entails because of pre existing problems.

I thought you were referring to mass immigration which was my mistake. Whatever the rest of her faults she certainly did not support that.

It is true of course that that the philosophy of greed was started then and also that was supported by the treasonable and the grossly incompetent liars that you mentioned as well as all the other ways they have undermined this country.

It is just a shame that there is no strong honest leader in sight who might take steps to reverse that and to save us from federation which would be the death knell of this country.

Les

My incredible, witty and relevant posts seem to have vanished from this thread, did they offend some precious flower or should i post them again ?

How about: no you shouldn't.

You very clearly know zero about the subject , if i were you id step aside


, but then again this is just another trolling thread so you probably cant help yourself