Who is to blame for fractured Britain.
23 May 2011, 09:10 PM
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Probably cheaper than spending time training and developing youth in order to get quicker results at the expense of football in this country in the future which is proven by consistent under achievement of the national team.
23 May 2011, 09:20 PM
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I work with a lot of people from other EU countries, 4 from Poland, 2 from Portugal, 1 from Russia and 1 from Ukraine.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
23 May 2011, 09:48 PM
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LOL yes that is a definition of conceive, but your usage is wrong. I haven't formed them or developed them have I? That was their parents job 
I may, however, have conceived the notion they are my enemies and therefore perceive them to be so. (I don't btw as this is an Internet forum and not the real world - thankfully )
As for the remainder of your post well maybe I am just reacting to the general rhetoric thrown around these parts for the last 12 months
I may, however, have conceived the notion they are my enemies and therefore perceive them to be so. (I don't btw as this is an Internet forum and not the real world - thankfully )As for the remainder of your post well maybe I am just reacting to the general rhetoric thrown around these parts for the last 12 months
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23 May 2011, 10:04 PM
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23 May 2011, 10:04 PM
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TDW, aren't you Jewish and therefore an immigrant or sorts yourself?
If so what effect do you think the mass influx of Jews over the years has had on UK culture?
If so what effect do you think the mass influx of Jews over the years has had on UK culture?
23 May 2011, 10:14 PM
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23 May 2011, 10:23 PM
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Btw, I would say depending on where you live one could get the impression that there are masses of Jews here. Drive through many parts of North London and this is what you will see
23 May 2011, 11:04 PM
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I never asked you whether you said you were Jewish, but from some of your comments I seemed to have got that impression. It was only an impression though. So may I ask whether you have any 'immigrant' blood in you?
Btw, I would say depending on where you live one could get the impression that there are masses of Jews here. Drive through many parts of North London and this is what you will see
Btw, I would say depending on where you live one could get the impression that there are masses of Jews here. Drive through many parts of North London and this is what you will see
23 May 2011, 11:05 PM
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who is to blame ?? simples commercial greed when i left school a engineering company could buy a £100.000 pound machine that would do the work of 10 men , 9 on the dole 1 working it 9months later its payed for its self , after that its pure profit . look at cars as a example , remember the first car hand built by robots ?? the only time a mans hands touched it was to drive it off the production line , the ceo of ford was gived a tour of said factory and was asked any questions , he replied yes WHERE IS EVERYBODY ? FIATS ceo replied less than 50 people work here . ceo of ford replied oh i see so who buys all the cars . point proven most things are now made way faster than the world can break /replace them , no so long ago the worlds largest fake xmas tree factory in china closed down , cars in bristol docks lined up in thier thousands unsold. there are less and less jobs in manufactoring due mostly to the mechanization of the world . the last problem is that people are migrating around the world chasing the few jobs left in manufactoring and end up working in the service industree , just look at any supermarket self service checkouts min of 6 in any tesco thats 5 people out of work every little helps , its not one people/goverment to blame but commercial greed on a world scale from global companies to little engineering shops
The UK had a massive automotive industry during this era also. But with increasing overseas competition that were generally better made than our own saw our share of the market dwindle as demand move to cheaper and better made units from Japan and Germany. They brought to the masses the likes of the Golf GTI and Datsun 240Z where as in the UK we had the Leyand Marina and Princess. But the unions stifled the management and prevented them from adapting and implementing efficiencies that would allow them to complete with their overseas counterparts. The UK used to take pride in engineering innovation and design which brought us memorable classics such as the E-type and the DB5. Innovation and design still lives on in niche marques whilst mass production of cars in the UK lies in Swindon (Honda), Sunderland (Nissan) and Dagenham (Ford). The original British marques are now owned by other overseas manufacturer or have disappeared like TVR.
Much of this could be said of the British steel industry too. Lack of investment, the use of outdated technology, high production costs and increase of competition on the world market. The government of the ‘70’s heavily subsidised these industries and kept employment artificially high which could only mean one thing for these UK industries where on a global scale their industry was getting ever more competitive, efficient and innovative.
This isn’t to say that the UK is no longer innovative or enterprising, it’s just that the UK economy as a whole is no longer geared towards to the blue collar industry and this has invariably lead to a shift of the economy creating a socio-economic and political north south divide.
23 May 2011, 11:20 PM
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As even that articles says 12% of the economy today, 50% 50 years ago. And overlay that graph on Germany's equivalent then tell me that especially in terms of jobs etc. it hasn't declined dramatically.
That artcile is a very simplistic and error strewn comparison, a bit like saying well we make more microwaves today than we did 50 yars ago
Manufacturing has changed beyond all recognition and as a fraction of the economy it is now tiny!!
That artcile is a very simplistic and error strewn comparison, a bit like saying well we make more microwaves today than we did 50 yars ago
Manufacturing has changed beyond all recognition and as a fraction of the economy it is now tiny!!Anyway that means we dont have to use them immigrants, to get this back on topic....
24 May 2011, 12:41 AM
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Well living in Ealing, and about 5 minutes away from South Ealing I have to question the article.
Seems like the 'journalist' has a chip on their shoulder. When people come to a new country thet bring part of their culture with them. The older Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi generations have all done this in Britain. The Native folk have benefited in many ways, tasty food being one of them, and almost 24hr shopping at cost co. There has been partial integration - some of em love a good fry up
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However the problem with todays imigration is that a larger proportion (comparead to yesteryear) of the people coming here, have zero interest in respecting the 'Home' culture. Now i must say, I see this least from the Poles, they will speak to you in English, are polite, and dont seem to expect a hand out.
I have no problems with a few Polski Skleps popping up (as they have done in Ealing shopping centre), just brings a diversity to our shopping list. Its only natural for those wishing to stay here to want the taste of home, especially if you only ever get to go back once a year.
The true problem is the expantion of the IISHZs (Illegal Immigrant **** Hole Zone) - Bradford, some parts of Birmingham, Southall, and to a lesser extent West Ealing. These places seem to belong to the 3rd world, and seem to be the ideal place for radicalisation of anyone pissed off at having to live in an area where the streats are never clean. These areas attract people of less scrupulous character like flies to freshly baked apple pie on a warm summers day. This is where the 'immigration problem' lies.
Clean these places up, remove those who shouldnt be there, make it almost impossible for people coming here to claim any form of benefit unless they have been here for a significant length of time, (5years + with employment for those years, and evidence of taxes paid, and wages spent in the country) and only alow people who bring valuable skills to the country to come here in the first place.
IT will never happen though, too many people will be offended, and they will never get round to filling out all the necessary risk assessments.
Seems like the 'journalist' has a chip on their shoulder. When people come to a new country thet bring part of their culture with them. The older Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi generations have all done this in Britain. The Native folk have benefited in many ways, tasty food being one of them, and almost 24hr shopping at cost co. There has been partial integration - some of em love a good fry up
).However the problem with todays imigration is that a larger proportion (comparead to yesteryear) of the people coming here, have zero interest in respecting the 'Home' culture. Now i must say, I see this least from the Poles, they will speak to you in English, are polite, and dont seem to expect a hand out.
I have no problems with a few Polski Skleps popping up (as they have done in Ealing shopping centre), just brings a diversity to our shopping list. Its only natural for those wishing to stay here to want the taste of home, especially if you only ever get to go back once a year.
The true problem is the expantion of the IISHZs (Illegal Immigrant **** Hole Zone) - Bradford, some parts of Birmingham, Southall, and to a lesser extent West Ealing. These places seem to belong to the 3rd world, and seem to be the ideal place for radicalisation of anyone pissed off at having to live in an area where the streats are never clean. These areas attract people of less scrupulous character like flies to freshly baked apple pie on a warm summers day. This is where the 'immigration problem' lies.
Clean these places up, remove those who shouldnt be there, make it almost impossible for people coming here to claim any form of benefit unless they have been here for a significant length of time, (5years + with employment for those years, and evidence of taxes paid, and wages spent in the country) and only alow people who bring valuable skills to the country to come here in the first place.
IT will never happen though, too many people will be offended, and they will never get round to filling out all the necessary risk assessments.
24 May 2011, 08:05 AM
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I work with a lot of people from other EU countries, 4 from Poland, 2 from Portugal, 1 from Russia and 1 from Ukraine.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
The only problem is that in the countries that you mention,only a small percentage of them make up the immigrant percentage in the UK..
The rest is made up of Pakistani's,Bangladeshi's and Chinese...
24 May 2011, 08:33 AM
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I get a little bored of F1 and others who say this country is responsible for it's own problems with issues such as work shy chavs and benefits funding the workshy. These are huge problems and as i say two wrongs rarely make a right. The people, the ordinary people are not responsible, the governments who allowed this to happen are and the people are rightly angry, not racist or fascist, just angry and feel betrayed and let down at what they see.
Mass immigration is not good, the way the mass immigration has allowed the lack of integration is even worse creating distrust and dislike - all down to governments like NL who treated this country like their own social private experiment without regard for the consequences.
24 May 2011, 08:43 AM
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24 May 2011, 09:11 AM
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You missed out Afghans and Iraqis (seriously)
I get a little bored of F1 and others who say this country is responsible for it's own problems with issues such as work shy chavs and benefits funding the workshy. These are huge problems and as i say two wrongs rarely make a right. The people, the ordinary people are not responsible, the governments who allowed this to happen are and the people are rightly angry, not racist or fascist, just angry and feel betrayed and let down at what they see.
Mass immigration is not good, the way the mass immigration has allowed the lack of integration is even worse creating distrust and dislike - all down to governments like NL who treated this country like their own social private experiment without regard for the consequences.
I get a little bored of F1 and others who say this country is responsible for it's own problems with issues such as work shy chavs and benefits funding the workshy. These are huge problems and as i say two wrongs rarely make a right. The people, the ordinary people are not responsible, the governments who allowed this to happen are and the people are rightly angry, not racist or fascist, just angry and feel betrayed and let down at what they see.
Mass immigration is not good, the way the mass immigration has allowed the lack of integration is even worse creating distrust and dislike - all down to governments like NL who treated this country like their own social private experiment without regard for the consequences.
24 May 2011, 09:26 AM
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Besides do illegals have no presence in the 'community'? Are they invisible?
24 May 2011, 11:10 AM
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Many, many other posters have as well as myself. It appears it you who needs to accept that there are other problems such as the uncontrolled mass immigration this country has had for the past 10+ years and no integration into the existing society with successive governments allowing ghetto-iseation and the mistrust and social problems that it entails
also how about accepting two wrongs do not make a right and not to discount mass immigration and all that it entails because of pre existing problems.
24 May 2011, 11:17 AM
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It is true of course that that the philosophy of greed was started then and also that was supported by the treasonable and the grossly incompetent liars that you mentioned as well as all the other ways they have undermined this country.
It is just a shame that there is no strong honest leader in sight who might take steps to reverse that and to save us from federation which would be the death knell of this country.
Les
24 May 2011, 02:04 PM
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That is just semantics, since an asylum seekers is basically just an illegal who claims to be seeking asylum, and most take years for their status to be determined by courts, and if they are declared unfit for asylum they either can't deport them, or they have been here so long they get citizenship anyway!
Besides do illegals have no presence in the 'community'? Are they invisible?
Besides do illegals have no presence in the 'community'? Are they invisible?
You very clearly know zero about the subject , if i were you id step aside
, but then again this is just another trolling thread so you probably cant help yourself