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23 May 2011, 05:06 PM
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I work with a lot of people from other EU countries, 4 from Poland, 2 from Portugal, 1 from Russia and 1 from Ukraine.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
23 May 2011, 05:12 PM
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23 May 2011, 05:16 PM
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I work with a lot of people from other EU countries, 4 from Poland, 2 from Portugal, 1 from Russia and 1 from Ukraine.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
1. More often than not their English is better than ours.
2. You get more for your money. 15k can get you a well educated Pole, or a badly educated UK worker.
3. They dont work any harder than anyone else.
4. Are they a drain on the NHS, most i know go back to Poland for dental treatment, they reckon our dentists are expensive and rubbish.
5. Most have a great sense of humour about being a foreigner, and they are more racist about other nationalities than we are about them.
6. Most of them think English girls dont look after themselves, and are vulgar.
7. For some reason they all love BMW's.
8. They are here for one reason only, higher wages.
9. They have no loyalty to the UK.
The only bad immigration comes with the welfare state I'm afraid. But if that's not something we can change then maybe there does need to be something done directly about immigration. It just seems daft not to tackle the root cause though.
23 May 2011, 06:16 PM
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Good middle class type Telegraph article - kind of Daily Mail but toned down with better English.
I'd agree with much of it but it does seem lacking in positive ideas of what to do about the problems that have been caused aside from hints about "them" being willing to learn English.
Probably the real problem is people like me who find it hard to accept that Britain has changed and we had better get used to it!
But I can't really comment sensibly as I don't live in S Ealing or Luton. I live in middle class semi-urban Sussex and immigration is not a problem here in any way at all. But that's not to say society is not breaking down but that is lack of discipline in families and schools, nothing to do with funny foreigners. An irony being that many immigrants import high family values and respect which is so lacking in us natives. dl
I'd agree with much of it but it does seem lacking in positive ideas of what to do about the problems that have been caused aside from hints about "them" being willing to learn English.
Probably the real problem is people like me who find it hard to accept that Britain has changed and we had better get used to it!
But I can't really comment sensibly as I don't live in S Ealing or Luton. I live in middle class semi-urban Sussex and immigration is not a problem here in any way at all. But that's not to say society is not breaking down but that is lack of discipline in families and schools, nothing to do with funny foreigners. An irony being that many immigrants import high family values and respect which is so lacking in us natives. dl
23 May 2011, 07:00 PM
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Totally agree with most of that. Worked with Hungarians and Poles, and both are troopers. The guys that were on sites with us were doing shuttering for walls, and they couldn't half work! Much better and quicker than pretty much anyone else I've seen doing it. Also great attitude and very trustworthy in terms of safety.
The only bad immigration comes with the welfare state I'm afraid. But if that's not something we can change then maybe there does need to be something done directly about immigration. It just seems daft not to tackle the root cause though.
The only bad immigration comes with the welfare state I'm afraid. But if that's not something we can change then maybe there does need to be something done directly about immigration. It just seems daft not to tackle the root cause though.
They claim family credit in UK and Poland (In Poland it's worth x4 times more than in UK) so we are even supporting the Polish welfare system.
The home grown benefit scroungers are small fry.
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23 May 2011, 07:38 PM
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That's because they earn x4 what they would earn in Poland, they pay UK tax but if they go back to Poland before 1st April they get it all rebated. Then they return to the UK and then coin it in all again in the new tax year.
They claim family credit in UK and Poland (In Poland it's worth x4 times more than in UK) so we are even supporting the Polish welfare system.
The home grown benefit scroungers are small fry.
They claim family credit in UK and Poland (In Poland it's worth x4 times more than in UK) so we are even supporting the Polish welfare system.
The home grown benefit scroungers are small fry.
Most of the guys I worked with regularly went back to their own country for women and drink, said it was great because it was like they were rich! That's not a big deal in my opinion, in fact I would encourage it. No one coming over here to just work and live is doing any harm in my opinion. Btw, as far as I know none of them claimed any kind of benefit over here.
23 May 2011, 07:48 PM
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That's because they earn x4 what they would earn in Poland, they pay UK tax but if they go back to Poland before 1st April they get it all rebated. Then they return to the UK and then coin it in all again in the new tax year.
They claim family credit in UK and Poland (In Poland it's worth x4 times more than in UK) so we are even supporting the Polish welfare system.
The home grown benefit scroungers are small fry.
They claim family credit in UK and Poland (In Poland it's worth x4 times more than in UK) so we are even supporting the Polish welfare system.
The home grown benefit scroungers are small fry.
benefit scrongers you seem to prefer.As for them actually being small fry in comparison (to all those nasty Poles actually working
) what evidence do you have to support that? None I suspect other than 2 large servings of the Daily Mail washed down with a nice glass of xenophobia!!!! 
23 May 2011, 07:50 PM
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23 May 2011, 07:53 PM
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LOL at you crticising a Polish worker for working. At least while he is here he is paying his f**king way, not leeching off the state like the 'small fry' benefit scrongers you seem to prefer.
As for them actually being small fry in comparison (to all those nasty Poles actually working ) what evidence do you have to support that? None I suspect other than 2 large servings of the Daily Mail washed down with a nice glass of xenophobia!!!!
benefit scrongers you seem to prefer.As for them actually being small fry in comparison (to all those nasty Poles actually working
) what evidence do you have to support that? None I suspect other than 2 large servings of the Daily Mail washed down with a nice glass of xenophobia!!!! 
23 May 2011, 07:59 PM
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That artcile is a very simplistic and error strewn comparison, a bit like saying well we make more microwaves today than we did 50 yars ago
Manufacturing has changed beyond all recognition and as a fraction of the economy it is now tiny!!
23 May 2011, 08:06 PM
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Some parts of eastern Europe are darn right bestial places. Granted Poland is not one of those but mostly it's Polish young men coming over not established families.
23 May 2011, 08:21 PM
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LOL at you crticising a Polish worker for working. At least while he is here he is paying his f**king way, not leeching off the state like the 'small fry' benefit scrongers you seem to prefer.
As for them actually being small fry in comparison (to all those nasty Poles actually working ) what evidence do you have to support that? None I suspect other than 2 large servings of the Daily Mail washed down with a nice glass of xenophobia!!!!
benefit scrongers you seem to prefer.As for them actually being small fry in comparison (to all those nasty Poles actually working
) what evidence do you have to support that? None I suspect other than 2 large servings of the Daily Mail washed down with a nice glass of xenophobia!!!! Incidentally, i work for a training provider in the construction and utility sector and the Skills Funding Agency are using public money to train Eastern Europeans, it's a national scandal and i am becoming increasingly disillusioned. Young people of this country are the real losers.
23 May 2011, 08:27 PM
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But he is not paying his f**king way, he does not make a contribution as tax payer because he claims it all back and money goes out of the country back to Poland. All at the expense of young people in this country, no wonder many are exploiting the benefit system, they are being betrayed by their own country.
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
23 May 2011, 08:30 PM
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Simplistic view.
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
23 May 2011, 08:49 PM
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Simplistic view.
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
But never mind, at least we have all made a contribution to train the Polish workforce which will serve to maintain and improve the Polish infastructure, courtesy of the UK tax payer, and at the expense of our own young people and future economy.
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Sooner or later the Poles will **** off back to Poland leaving a massive skills shortage in the UK.
But never mind, at least we have all made a contribution to train the Polish workforce which will serve to maintain and improve the Polish infastructure, courtesy of the UK tax payer, and at the expense of our own young people and future economy.
But never mind, at least we have all made a contribution to train the Polish workforce which will serve to maintain and improve the Polish infastructure, courtesy of the UK tax payer, and at the expense of our own young people and future economy.
23 May 2011, 08:52 PM
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who is to blame ?? simples commercial greed when i left school a engineering company could buy a £100.000 pound machine that would do the work of 10 men , 9 on the dole 1 working it 9months later its payed for its self , after that its pure profit . look at cars as a example , remember the first car hand built by robots ?? the only time a mans hands touched it was to drive it off the production line , the ceo of ford was gived a tour of said factory and was asked any questions , he replied yes WHERE IS EVERYBODY ? FIATS ceo replied less than 50 people work here . ceo of ford replied oh i see so who buys all the cars . point proven most things are now made way faster than the world can break /replace them , no so long ago the worlds largest fake xmas tree factory in china closed down , cars in bristol docks lined up in thier thousands unsold. there are less and less jobs in manufactoring due mostly to the mechanization of the world . the last problem is that people are migrating around the world chasing the few jobs left in manufactoring and end up working in the service industree , just look at any supermarket self service checkouts min of 6 in any tesco thats 5 people out of work every little helps , its not one people/goverment to blame but commercial greed on a world scale from global companies to little engineering shops
23 May 2011, 08:55 PM
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No, a lazy, benefit scrounging native underclass of cheap unintelligent white trash causes social problems. The welfare state is the cuase of much bigger probelms in the UK than any immigration.
As for the rise of Islamism I really do think you (and a few others) need to get a grip.
As for the rise of Islamism I really do think you (and a few others) need to get a grip.
Simplistic view.
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
23 May 2011, 09:02 PM
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Simplistic view.
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
Our Polish friend earns money and pays tax. While here from the money left after tax he clothes, feeds and puts a roof over his head. Even if he does get the tax back (which I grant you is wrong) he is still costing us way less than the scrounging white trash who get their clothes, food and roof over their head courtesy of OUR pocket!
How many times have you mentioned white trash lately! Seriously if you are trying to take the moral high ground over your conceived enemies on here. You need to apply the same standards that you judge your foes by.