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11 May 2011, 11:50 PM
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11 May 2011, 11:54 PM
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I have asked Tony the question based on exactly what he asks others. If you actually kept up with these threads you will know this.
Tony knows what I am talking about, let him answer for himself.
12 May 2011, 12:13 AM
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So why are you so interested in defending Tony? Are you related to him? Get over yourself Mark. Either present a proper argument or stop stirring and stay off these threads.
I have asked Tony the question based on exactly what he asks others. If you actually kept up with these threads you will know this.
Tony knows what I am talking about, let him answer for himself.
I have asked Tony the question based on exactly what he asks others. If you actually kept up with these threads you will know this.
Tony knows what I am talking about, let him answer for himself.
As for my 'not keeping up with these threads' as you put it, so what if I don't live or die by what gets posted here? I get the impression you might benefit from following that example yourself occasionally.
12 May 2011, 12:24 AM
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No of course we don't so that's an utterly illogical comment. It's a defence he has used many times before as to why we shouldn't care about the plight of another people or nation.
12 May 2011, 12:27 AM
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With all due respect Asif, there's nothing in this thread that suggests Tony espouses the view that only people actually resident or born in a particular country have a right to comment on its politics or whatever else goes on there.
As for my 'not keeping up with these threads' as you put it, so what if I don't live or die by what gets posted here? I get the impression you might benefit from following that example yourself occasionally.
As for my 'not keeping up with these threads' as you put it, so what if I don't live or die by what gets posted here? I get the impression you might benefit from following that example yourself occasionally.
Please check the last line of Tony's first post, it is a line of argument that he attacks others with on a regular basis, while never really answering the same question whenever asked of him. Does this sound familiar about him?
You are free to look further into this, otherwise you can take my word for it.
No one lives or dies by what is posted here, least of all someone like Tony. You are free to post whatever you like of course, but whatever one posts on here is subject to scrutiny. I don't see how our exchange is any different to what happens on SN thousands of times every day.
I am not sure therefore why you would seek to somehow paint myself in a different light?
With all due respect Mark, perhaps you lack an argument or POV that will add to this thread? I am happy, as ever, to be corrected.
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12 May 2011, 12:47 AM
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Fair enough, Tony did make a comment about 'hearing from some Palestinians', I stand corrected.
My POV on this thread? It's a bit of a fail really, this country does no more and no less standing up to Israel than it does to any other country of comparable size and geopolitical importance. The OP obviously has a bee in his bonnet on the subject, and I doubt there's very much I or anyone else could do or say to change that.
My POV on this thread? It's a bit of a fail really, this country does no more and no less standing up to Israel than it does to any other country of comparable size and geopolitical importance. The OP obviously has a bee in his bonnet on the subject, and I doubt there's very much I or anyone else could do or say to change that.
12 May 2011, 01:06 AM
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Fair enough, Tony did make a comment about 'hearing from some Palestinians', I stand corrected.
My POV on this thread? It's a bit of a fail really, this country does no more and no less standing up to Israel than it does to any other country of comparable size and geopolitical importance. The OP obviously has a bee in his bonnet on the subject, and I doubt there's very much I or anyone else could do or say to change that.
My POV on this thread? It's a bit of a fail really, this country does no more and no less standing up to Israel than it does to any other country of comparable size and geopolitical importance. The OP obviously has a bee in his bonnet on the subject, and I doubt there's very much I or anyone else could do or say to change that.
Your POV is relevant, I think you have made two points in your second paragraph.
However, the thread does allow anyone outside of the argument to view entrenched opinions for themselves (including my own
) and to discuss what seems to be too PC to do, which is to criticise Israel. Anyone who wishes to defend it is free to do so too of course.Tony has some points, believe it or not, but his overall level of bias, ignoring others' points, not answering questions put to him, making irrelevant statements to try to undermine an argument, and a complete lack of logic, just undermine any sympathy a reasonable person would feel for Israel.
If I were Tony, I would stop defending them, as he does such a poor job of it!
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12 May 2011, 08:36 AM
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Point still stands regardless of gender. Even worse you use the voice of one right winger to define the attitude of a whole nation.
12 May 2011, 08:40 AM
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I've stated before why I support Israel.
12 May 2011, 08:51 AM
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12 May 2011, 11:58 AM
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12 May 2011, 01:08 PM
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12 May 2011, 01:24 PM
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There's a lot of 'stuff' on the internet that may or may not be true.
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12 May 2011, 01:27 PM
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Hitler holding conference with a 'raghead'?
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12 May 2011, 01:54 PM
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12 May 2011, 03:36 PM
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It was Canaanite land, then Israel, then Israel and Judah (two separate Jewish territories), then Roman Palestine, then part of the Ottoman territory, then British Palestine which then became Israel and Palestine but because the Arabs attacked Israel, the borders became larger after the war.
The original Israel covered much more than the present day Israel. It covered a lot of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and part of Egypt.
Jews and Arabs (and Palestinians) are mostly SEMITES and ethnically similar. Remember that a lot of intermarriage occurred between national groups in the area over the past 5000 plus years and some would even include Persians (who are not arabs). Judaism is 3,500 plus years old while Islam is only 1,400 years (approx) years old.
There is a Muslim temple sitting right on top of where there used to be a Jewish one in Israel.
There was an Israel a couple thousand years ago.
Your reaction was as predictable as your open racist hatred for Israel.
I keep hearing all this stuff about how evil and hateful the Israelis are and yet having met a few Israelis I can say my over abiding meory of them was, how laid back open and friendly they were, and how unlike the picture painted by people like you would have them to be.
Likewise, having met a few of the "Liberate Palestine" mob I can say my over abiding view of them is, narrow minded hate filled nutters who only hear and believe what they want to, and damn anyone who undermines any of their so called 'facts'
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12 May 2011, 04:06 PM
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Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor..... Takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
Likewise, it isn't mentioned in the Koran because it wasn't relevant.
9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.
18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.
Israel has no right to exist, or at least no right to exist as a Jewish state.
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12 May 2011, 04:10 PM
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Hitler holding conference with a 'raghead'?
There's a lot of 'stuff' on the internet that may or may not be true.
http://www.puretalkforum.com/f70/hit...hero-8306.html
There's a lot of 'stuff' on the internet that may or may not be true.
http://www.puretalkforum.com/f70/hit...hero-8306.html
Britannica any good or are they in on it, too?
12 May 2011, 04:10 PM
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I am well aware of the history Bonehead, and I am also aware that king david is an Islamic prophet as well as a Jewish one and that Muhammed did go to jerusalem according to the made up religious books that people believe in. I am also aware that your list is bull**** as I am sure you know yourself. You also know that it was not written by any kind of academic. If it was then please post more details ?
I have met plenty of Israelis as well thanks and found them to be extremely arrogant, rude and aggressive people. I am at least honest enough to admit that most of the Israelis I met had recently completed compulsory military service and that particular brainwashing exercise may explain their bad attitude. I have met one Israeli I liked and he admitted that Israelis act like complete arseholes once they have had their anti Islamic indoctrination in the army.
I have met plenty of Israelis as well thanks and found them to be extremely arrogant, rude and aggressive people. I am at least honest enough to admit that most of the Israelis I met had recently completed compulsory military service and that particular brainwashing exercise may explain their bad attitude. I have met one Israeli I liked and he admitted that Israelis act like complete arseholes once they have had their anti Islamic indoctrination in the army.
12 May 2011, 04:36 PM
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I am well aware of the history Bonehead, and I am also aware that king david is an Islamic prophet as well as a Jewish one and that Muhammed did go to jerusalem according to the made up religious books that people believe in. I am also aware that your list is bull**** as I am sure you know yourself. You also know that it was not written by any kind of academic. If it was then please post more details ?
I have met plenty of Israelis as well thanks and found them to be extremely arrogant, rude and aggressive people. I am at least honest enough to admit that most of the Israelis I met had recently completed compulsory military service and that particular brainwashing exercise may explain their bad attitude. I have met one Israeli I liked and he admitted that Israelis act like complete arseholes once they have had their anti Islamic indoctrination in the army.
I have met plenty of Israelis as well thanks and found them to be extremely arrogant, rude and aggressive people. I am at least honest enough to admit that most of the Israelis I met had recently completed compulsory military service and that particular brainwashing exercise may explain their bad attitude. I have met one Israeli I liked and he admitted that Israelis act like complete arseholes once they have had their anti Islamic indoctrination in the army.
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I have met plenty of Pakistanis as well thanks and found them to be extremely arrogant, rude and aggressive people. I am at least honest enough to admit that most of the Pakistani I met had recently completed compulsory Islamic training and that particular brainwashing exercise may explain their bad attitude. I have met one Pakistani I liked and he admitted that Pakistanis act like complete arseholes once they have had their Islamic indoctrination in the Madrasah.
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12 May 2011, 05:01 PM
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