P1's - are they all the hype?
30 April 2011, 11:39 PM
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30 April 2011, 11:44 PM
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This is what you can get for £13,000. Bargain.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
WOW !!!
Could be the best car you could ever own !
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
WOW !!!
Could be the best car you could ever own !
30 April 2011, 11:48 PM
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'kin'ell this thread has turned into a pointless **** measuring one.
It amusing to say the least that the P1 owners are slagging off the Type R and vice versa.
Put the two standard cars side by side on track and there's virtually nothing in it. The P1 is a fabulous looking motor but it's only a few subtle cosmetic touches.
The P1 is a better all round road car for uk roads as its been tweeked with them in mind.
As those have commented the Type R is a little more Raw and has a few goodies over the P1 that make it more of drivers car suited more to track type stuff. Stronger rear diff, bigger rear drive shafts, better rear brakes, DCCD and no abs which is a bonus if you want to drive a car proper hard.
As for ownership I'd happily own either of them and fortunately I do.
It amusing to say the least that the P1 owners are slagging off the Type R and vice versa.
Put the two standard cars side by side on track and there's virtually nothing in it. The P1 is a fabulous looking motor but it's only a few subtle cosmetic touches.
The P1 is a better all round road car for uk roads as its been tweeked with them in mind.
As those have commented the Type R is a little more Raw and has a few goodies over the P1 that make it more of drivers car suited more to track type stuff. Stronger rear diff, bigger rear drive shafts, better rear brakes, DCCD and no abs which is a bonus if you want to drive a car proper hard.
As for ownership I'd happily own either of them and fortunately I do.
01 May 2011, 12:13 AM
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No, this is:
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TX.
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http://www.carpictures.com/media/ima...42800369D.jpeg
TX.
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01 May 2011, 08:24 AM
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[quote=LongJonnyGspot;10015547][quote=snake1906;10015439]
This is what you can get for £13,000. Bargain.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
daves car is exceptional he had his engine done the same time as me around 6mnths ago just over,as it says and i know that theres alot of money gone into that car and some wise person is going to be very lucky,he is unfortunate and realy needs to sell hence the price,in his words its the car or the house
This is what you can get for £13,000. Bargain.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
daves car is exceptional he had his engine done the same time as me around 6mnths ago just over,as it says and i know that theres alot of money gone into that car and some wise person is going to be very lucky,he is unfortunate and realy needs to sell hence the price,in his words its the car or the house
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01 May 2011, 08:39 AM
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Yes total gimmick, same as mitsubishi's AYC/SAYC, it actually improves the handling of the car, and unlike the P1, on a DCCD equipped car, you can use the handbrake for locking the rear wheels, but dont underestimate what the dccd is, until you have it and then dont, you dont miss it, once you have it and tried it, you dont want a scoob without it
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01 May 2011, 09:14 AM
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Lots of opposing comments here like usual, surely we are all allowed our own opinions on our own cars, which mean nothing to the next man!
Me personally have had 10 Imprezas back from the early standard WRX right up to ET 550 monster car with Blobs,Sti's,R's, and RA's and lots more classics in the middle and each and everyone of them gave me that buzz as soon as you open the door, sit in seat and smell that Scooby thing
before you fire it up, which is surely what we all crave being petrol heads.
Surely every single individual car has its benefits over others suited to different peoples driving style, requirements, needs and demands.
Going back to OP i have only been in a P1 once and that was one of happy Harry's Grahams at TSL about 10 years ago, did impress me and was very nice indeed but my funds at the time could not stretch as P1's were at a good price back then, so a Type R was sourced after viewing a couple i bit the bullet and me personally got on that little bit better with the R and struggled to understand why back then P1's were so premium over the R's. Dont get me wrong i love P1's and will probably have one when the time is right. I saw Damiens a few months back up at Scoobyclinic and wow is all i can say, also checked the P1 Owners stand out at Chatsworth last year and they are probably the most dedicated to bone club out there
Me, the best looking is 22B but again only my opinion the best all rounder has to be Spec C RA
Me personally have had 10 Imprezas back from the early standard WRX right up to ET 550 monster car with Blobs,Sti's,R's, and RA's and lots more classics in the middle and each and everyone of them gave me that buzz as soon as you open the door, sit in seat and smell that Scooby thing
before you fire it up, which is surely what we all crave being petrol heads.Surely every single individual car has its benefits over others suited to different peoples driving style, requirements, needs and demands.
Going back to OP i have only been in a P1 once and that was one of happy Harry's Grahams at TSL about 10 years ago, did impress me and was very nice indeed but my funds at the time could not stretch as P1's were at a good price back then, so a Type R was sourced after viewing a couple i bit the bullet and me personally got on that little bit better with the R and struggled to understand why back then P1's were so premium over the R's. Dont get me wrong i love P1's and will probably have one when the time is right. I saw Damiens a few months back up at Scoobyclinic and wow is all i can say, also checked the P1 Owners stand out at Chatsworth last year and they are probably the most dedicated to bone club out there
Me, the best looking is 22B but again only my opinion the best all rounder has to be Spec C RA
01 May 2011, 10:25 AM
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It's nothing compared to ACD, the dccd scoobies still suffer from understeer because even with it the Subaru awd system isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as mitsu. Dccd doesn't change that. That's not to say there aren't other reasons to buy a scooby, but if wanted the best looking, most iconic rally rep for 7k-8k I'd buy a P1, if I wanted the best handling I'd buy an Evo 6. Type rs are great cars but it's crap to make out they're proper drivers cars and p1s aren't because they've got dccd. Their main advantage is the bigger standard brakes because the p1 brakes are shockingly bad.
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01 May 2011, 10:33 AM
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[QUOTE=snake1906;10015767][quote=LongJonnyGspot;10015547]
Yes Snake, someones gonna get a great car for an absolute bargain. I have seen this car as have I've seen yours when you both were in for engine work.
This is what you can get for £13,000. Bargain.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
daves car is exceptional he had his engine done the same time as me around 6mnths ago just over,as it says and i know that theres alot of money gone into that car and some wise person is going to be very lucky,he is unfortunate and realy needs to sell hence the price,in his words its the car or the house
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2773756.htm
daves car is exceptional he had his engine done the same time as me around 6mnths ago just over,as it says and i know that theres alot of money gone into that car and some wise person is going to be very lucky,he is unfortunate and realy needs to sell hence the price,in his words its the car or the house
01 May 2011, 10:42 AM
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That's cos the ayc can't hack big power not because the rs diff benefits better handling. Doesn't the rs still have acd tho? Dccd is a poor version of the mitsu system yet type r owners make out it's the bollox when it really isn't that special.
01 May 2011, 11:09 AM
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All honestly no, but I've seen all those dccd enabled scoobies understeer there way round the top gear track. It's not envy I just wasn't bothered about dccd when I bought my p1, and when I wanted something different I didn't have to drive one to know there's more sophisticated awd systems with centre diffs than the Subaru dccd
01 May 2011, 11:22 AM
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Im not slating the P1 and never had, ive already said its the best looking Impreza behind the 22B but when P1 owners state its the best Impreza ever behind the 22B...well...that is total bollox.
Its no secret that the japs keep the best models for themselves and feed us the waterered down variants, its just a shame Prodrive followed suit with the P1.
01 May 2011, 11:36 AM
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I agree it isn't the best impreza in terms of performance, but for rawness, looks, price, acceleration, handling on uk roads, it's a good package and a great drive regardless of dccd
01 May 2011, 12:41 PM
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, you have sti type r, Type RA etc which are just as desirable if not more.
.The P1 was a special edition normal UK classic modified by Prodrive with an ecu map (similar to the modern day PPP) plus cosmetic changes and produced in small numbers. I say small numbers but I believe it was still around 1000 which relatively isn't that small. As it was a UK classic modified by prodrive it didn't have any of the stronger internals that the JDM models had and as such were known to blow engines in rare cases. So to be reliable they had to be mapped properly by an aftermarket tuner. The prodrive map was just a generic one (same as it is on the modern PPP), and therefore not always suited to each car. It's a nice car but I'd always have preferred the JDM or if money no object the 22b.
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01 May 2011, 12:51 PM
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The P1 was a special edition normal UK classic modified by Prodrive with an ecu map (similar to the modern day PPP) plus cosmetic changes and produced in small numbers. I say small numbers but I believe it was still around 1000 which relatively isn't that small. As it was a UK classic modified by prodrive it didn't have any of the stronger internals that the JDM models had and as such were known to blow engines in rare cases. So to be reliable they had to be mapped properly by an aftermarket tuner. The prodrive map was just a generic one (same as it is on the modern PPP), and therefore not always suited to each car. It's a nice car but I'd always have preferred the JDM or if money no object the 22b.
Did you miss all the information I and others posted earlier?
The P1 is not based on a UK car and does not have a prodrive map, the car is basically a version 5 sti saloon in a type r shell, it still runs the jdm map, which is interchangeable between the p1 and sti version 5 & 6, it used broquets to increase the octane level of the fuel, and was only to run super unleaded fuel in the UK.
They went for a production run of 500 originally until they sold out then upped that to 1000
, hence why you see from w reg to 51 plate cars
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01 May 2011, 01:06 PM
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So were the rebuilds inevitable because of the combination of their std map and the fuel that was then available in the UK, or were they the result of owners using the wrong in fuel error?
01 May 2011, 01:16 PM
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The fuel pellets were supposed to last the life of the car. They didn't and were at best just delaying engine damage until they ceased to be effective. The use of lower octane fuel didn't help either, couple this with decats and upped boost and you have a recipe for disaster. The whole problem was solely down to the ecu map.
01 May 2011, 04:08 PM
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Hi Andy. The fuel pellets were supposed to last the life of the car. They didn't and were at best just delaying engine damage until they ceased to be effective. The use of lower octane fuel didn't help either, couple this with decats and upped boost and you have a recipe for disaster. The whole problem was solely down to the ecu map.
The fuel pellets were supposed to last the life of the car. They didn't and were at best just delaying engine damage until they ceased to be effective. The use of lower octane fuel didn't help either, couple this with decats and upped boost and you have a recipe for disaster. The whole problem was solely down to the ecu map.
).I googled "fuel pellets" and answers.com said "A small pellet of frozen deuterium and tritium that would be used as fuel in a laser-induced fusion power plant."
I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to!
01 May 2011, 05:59 PM
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Hey Maz. Decorating the bathroom hence the delay (Ms Jock isn't happy at me being on the computer now ).
I googled "fuel pellets" and answers.com said "A small pellet of frozen deuterium and tritium that would be used as fuel in a laser-induced fusion power plant."
I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to!
).I googled "fuel pellets" and answers.com said "A small pellet of frozen deuterium and tritium that would be used as fuel in a laser-induced fusion power plant."
I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to!
That sort of thing usually induces a fever and rash in me. The fuel pellets are also referred to as Broquets, infact Scoobynets own David Lock was instrumental in their developement.http://www.broquet.co.uk/
I should add that there wasn't an issue with the Broquet pellets but the incomplete map which can cause issues on poorly maintained P1s.
01 May 2011, 07:01 PM
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Stef, I don't think anyone will deny that the P1 is a great car. The thing is it's developement was marred by problems and the whole project was beset with difficulties. This is was abundantly exemplified by the fact that Prodrive released a package for the P1 very shortly after it's debut. A package to improve a car that should have been the epitome of what Prodrive could offer? It is quite clear to anyone who cares to do a little research that the P1 had a difficult and rushed birth.
It is quite clear to anyone who cares to do a little research that the P1 had a difficult and rushed birth.