Wikileaks and Guantanamo - watching the Americans squirm :-)
26 April 2011, 06:39 PM
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26 April 2011, 06:47 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...xtremists.html
Maybe we should be squirming - how could we be so stupid as to let this go on for so long?
Maybe we should be squirming - how could we be so stupid as to let this go on for so long?
26 April 2011, 07:47 PM
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Dont know what i rate lower...The Telegraph or Wikileaks......both glamorised sh1te for me!.....
Why should "we" be squirming?...its no more in our control who goes to a mosque than it is who we goto war with....we are the drones. That is "demorcratic" life for you.
You can either put up with it or go Raul Moate on people. Either way we will still be at war for oil, and we will still have terrorists in the uk when we wake up in the morning.
Why should "we" be squirming?...its no more in our control who goes to a mosque than it is who we goto war with....we are the drones. That is "demorcratic" life for you.
You can either put up with it or go Raul Moate on people. Either way we will still be at war for oil, and we will still have terrorists in the uk when we wake up in the morning.
26 April 2011, 09:08 PM
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26 April 2011, 09:52 PM
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That is a good point, and in most times and societies that would have happened.
26 April 2011, 09:58 PM
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Just had the pleasure of watching some American government spokesman squriming over the initial Wikileaks disclosures about Guantanamo
- 150 complete innocents held for years for no good reason
- a 14 year old boy who said spokesman claimed was a murderer before remembering to STFU
- only 220 of the sum of all detainees are actually terrorists
and so on
And that is before we have got to the techniques used to extract information that the American government seem very keen to hush up!!!
And people on here tell us these are the good guys LOL!
- 150 complete innocents held for years for no good reason
- a 14 year old boy who said spokesman claimed was a murderer before remembering to STFU
- only 220 of the sum of all detainees are actually terrorists
and so on
And that is before we have got to the techniques used to extract information that the American government seem very keen to hush up!!!
And people on here tell us these are the good guys LOL!
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26 April 2011, 10:31 PM
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politicians are filthy rich and its not for there honest good work is it?they are some of the biggest deceivers how many promises have you heard from politicians? a lot of them do things I.e weapons of mass destruction for there own agenda (oil)
26 April 2011, 10:40 PM
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if people knew the truth then I guess everyone will be anti government, It wouldn't suprise me if there is a few iraqis buried in the desert.
politicians are filthy rich and its not for there honest good work is it?they are some of the biggest deceivers how many promises have you heard from politicians? a lot of them do things I.e weapons of mass destruction for there own agenda (oil)
politicians are filthy rich and its not for there honest good work is it?they are some of the biggest deceivers how many promises have you heard from politicians? a lot of them do things I.e weapons of mass destruction for there own agenda (oil)
27 April 2011, 12:33 AM
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All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
27 April 2011, 12:45 AM
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So what you're saying Tone, is that the several hundred thousand US Troops in Iraq, armed to the teeth and seemingly shooting constantly, as per the news coverage I have seen, hundreds of aircraft dropping bombs everywhere, the 'surge' through Fallujah, the thousands of private security guys out there, with a free reign to shoot whomever they like etc etc etc
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
27 April 2011, 12:59 AM
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So what you're saying Tone, is that the several hundred thousand US Troops in Iraq, armed to the teeth and seemingly shooting constantly, as per the news coverage I have seen, hundreds of aircraft dropping bombs everywhere, the 'surge' through Fallujah, the thousands of private security guys out there, with a free reign to shoot whomever they like etc etc etc
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
27 April 2011, 01:21 AM
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Saddam was a Sunni. Most Shi'a (the majority in Iraq) celebrated Saddam's removal. Most Sunni hated the coalition for it. The vast majority of Muslims living in the UK are Sunni. I wonder if the British Sunnis would be so quick to criticise the removal of the Syrian minority Shi'a leadership?
Syria - Sunni v Shi'a
Bharain - Sunni v Shi'a
Iraq - Sunni v Shi'a
Saudi Arabia - Sunni v Shi'a
Yemen - Sunni v Shi'a
Lebanon - Sunni v Shi'a
etc.
Are America responsible for a 1400 year old rift?
Syria - Sunni v Shi'a
Bharain - Sunni v Shi'a
Iraq - Sunni v Shi'a
Saudi Arabia - Sunni v Shi'a
Yemen - Sunni v Shi'a
Lebanon - Sunni v Shi'a
etc.
Are America responsible for a 1400 year old rift?
27 April 2011, 01:27 AM
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27 April 2011, 04:15 AM
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Shia and Sunni isn't as bad as people make out it's like Jewish and Zionist.... actually calling someone a Zionist isn't nice so I take it back. I'm Sunni and I have many Shia friends we come from different school of thoughts. I was tought to say (may god guide them) and pretty sure them say the same. yes u might get the few the won't like each other but it certainly ain't the norm. Like I said I have a lot of Shia friends and so all this bs about Sunni bs Shia is properly something your petrol hungry prople created to have a reason to stay to nick more oil. there was never this much fighting between the two groups.
27 April 2011, 07:32 AM
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27 April 2011, 07:49 AM
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Result. 
ETA. Joking aside, it looks like people on that thread are interested to see what you think, f1. Surely, if you're prepared to criticise, you have a clear position. I'm sure you wouldn't want people to think it was arbitrary criticism.
ETA. Joking aside, it looks like people on that thread are interested to see what you think, f1. Surely, if you're prepared to criticise, you have a clear position. I'm sure you wouldn't want people to think it was arbitrary criticism.
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27 April 2011, 07:53 AM
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Shia and Sunni isn't as bad as people make out it's like Jewish and Zionist.... actually calling someone a Zionist isn't nice so I take it back. I'm Sunni and I have many Shia friends we come from different school of thoughts. I was tought to say (may god guide them) and pretty sure them say the same. yes u might get the few the won't like each other but it certainly ain't the norm. Like I said I have a lot of Shia friends and so all this bs about Sunni bs Shia is properly something your petrol hungry prople created to have a reason to stay to nick more oil. there was never this much fighting between the two groups.
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27 April 2011, 08:09 AM
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So what you're saying Tone, is that the several hundred thousand US Troops in Iraq, armed to the teeth and seemingly shooting constantly, as per the news coverage I have seen, hundreds of aircraft dropping bombs everywhere, the 'surge' through Fallujah, the thousands of private security guys out there, with a free reign to shoot whomever they like etc etc etc
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
All that, resulted in nothing else but the Iraqis seemingly turning their guns on each other?
The level of stupidity in your statements is unbelieveable! It is so unbelieveable I cannot believe I am replying to it!!
So, who caused the 20k odd US casualties? As the US is easily the most highly armed group in the country and seemingly firing constantly, but not killing any Iraqis, they obviously all shot each other? Like the Iraqis did? Going by your logic?
Actually I have to laugh!
Americans both in the Army and as private contractors have been prosecuted for unlawful killings. Please they did not have 'free reign'?
27 April 2011, 10:02 AM
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27 April 2011, 10:59 AM
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That is all demagoguery. I never said the US caused NO casualties but it is a historical fact that the vast majority of deaths were caused by Iraqi internecine, sectarian conflict. You remember? The suicide bombs killing dozens in market places etc etc? The shia mosques getting blow up?
Americans both in the Army and as private contractors have been prosecuted for unlawful killings. Please they did not have 'free reign'?
Americans both in the Army and as private contractors have been prosecuted for unlawful killings. Please they did not have 'free reign'?
Please don't accuse me of something that you do ALL of the time. What is your defence of Israel if it is not demogoguery? (As well as bollocks!
)In post 33 above you state the following:
"Who killed the 100,000 Iraqi's?
Answer is it was other Iraqis."
This is quite clear and in direct contradiction to what you have just stated. You said you have "Never stated that", but you just did! How do you explain that?
If you have some figures I would be interested, otherwise the deaths are all the cause of the illegal invasion for oil, regardless of the religious background, skin colour, nationality, political allegiance, uniform, sexual preferences, car they own, whatever, of who pulled the trigger.
And we all know who is responsible for the illegal war, don't we?
Since you arrived here on SN you have done nothing but start arguments between people, while accusing your detractors of demogoguery, Ad Hominem attacks, etc etc. No one used to do this before.
This place used to be run by common sense, something that you appear to lack.
Why you are still allowed to operate here, in the way that you do, is beyond me.
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27 April 2011, 12:21 PM
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In practice the US did kill a number of Iraqis but not in genocide numbers...and apart from a handful of illegal killings (which you will notice people have been prosecuted for), most of the deaths were either accidental or the legal killing of combatants.
Otherwise you are accusing the US of genocide and I'd like to see your evidence. Note - Mus' youtube videos don't count.
If you have some figures I would be interested, otherwise the deaths are all the cause of the illegal invasion for oil, regardless of the religious background, skin colour, nationality, political allegiance, uniform, sexual preferences, car they own, whatever, of who pulled the trigger.
And we all know who is responsible for the illegal war, don't we?
And we all know who is responsible for the illegal war, don't we?