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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:07 PM
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I had a Legacy H6 filter on my desk for years; It was almost identical to the Impreza one, but I never bothered to use it. Don't know why now as its probably a superior filter.

Externally, It looked almost identical barring the part number.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gaffer
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another rumour thats evolved from a forum is that the water pump needs replacing when the cam belt is changed.

This may be true for engines that use the water pump as a tensioner, once disturbed they tend to leak but not Subaru engines they have a separate tensioner and to be fair Subaru water pumps are very reliable.

However due to that thread we have had an upsurge in demand for perfectly good water pumps to be changed when replacing the cam belt, and many mail orders for cam belt kits with a water pump on top.

We advise accordingly but it falls on deaf ears most of the time.

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Oil pumps too. Admittedly thats more of a 'safety/fear of failure' thing more than anything.

What narks me is some people can't identify a worn idler pulley bearing or simply don't check them because it doesn't say so in the workshop manual (the 'shop manual assumes the mechanic already knows to check it).

How many Imprezas are there out there with a new cambelt running on idlers with dried up bearings.


Then what about the fuel filters? Seems everyone and his dog wants a Walbro pump, but totally neglects to change the fuel filter

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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gaffer
Hi,

another rumour thats evolved from a forum is that the water pump needs replacing when the cam belt is changed.

This may be true for engines that use the water pump as a tensioner, once disturbed they tend to leak but not Subaru engines they have a separate tensioner and to be fair Subaru water pumps are very reliable.

However due to that thread we have had an upsurge in demand for perfectly good water pumps to be changed when replacing the cam belt, and many mail orders for cam belt kits with a water pump on top.


We advise accordingly but it falls on deaf ears most of the time.

Forums....

cheers
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I might as well go and torch my scooby now. as 2 weeks ago the cambelt was replaced although got a Cosworth timing kit and it replaced tensioner and guide with billet item, no water pump.

So it's gonna either spill oil everywhere and go boom or squirt steaming hot water all over the place and go boom

You'll all be the first to know if it does

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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BlobEyedRex
I might as well go and torch my scooby now. as 2 weeks ago the cambelt was replaced although got a Cosworth timing kit and it replaced tensioner and guide with billet item, no water pump.

So it's gonna either spill oil everywhere and go boom or squirt steaming hot water all over the place and go boom

You'll all be the first to know if it does
Hi,

hope you replaced your tyres when you fitted that billet cam belt guide.

You never know.

cheers
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gaffer
Hi,

just going through our stock of oil filters, 150 new blue ones on the shelf when I came across this.








Brand new, sealed with box.

If its not gone by 4.30 PM. its going on E bay.

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This is no more than filter ****
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gaffer
Hi,

hope you replaced your tyres when you fitted that billet cam belt guide.

You never know.

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Gyres OMG no I didn't, but I did get new bonnet & lock as the guy said once i'd lifted the bonnet to replace the timingbelt it had been said on the forums it might then fail and flick up while driving
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BlobEyedRex
Gyres OMG no I didn't, but I did get new bonnet & lock as the guy said once i'd lifted the bonnet to replace the timingbelt it had been said on the forums it might then fail and flick up while driving
Gyres?

Re the bonnet, the blobeye sti bonnet don't half flex at high speed

People may decry forums but for the average Joe like me they're invaluable for info, advice and dare I say it entertainment. It is up to people to weigh up the information and make a PERSONAL and informed choice. Within this thread there are different schools of thought, both from respected and experienced camps. There will always be Chinese whispers within forums but by and large there is good, solid information.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:30 PM
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Bloke in the vid does seem a right ****. I use a K&N oil filter as there supposed to flow cold oil better plus they have a nut welded on the bottom for easy removal..
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gaffer
Hi,

another rumour thats evolved from a forum is that the water pump needs replacing when the cam belt is changed.

This may be true for engines that use the water pump as a tensioner, once disturbed they tend to leak but not Subaru engines they have a separate tensioner and to be fair Subaru water pumps are very reliable.

However due to that thread we have had an upsurge in demand for perfectly good water pumps to be changed when replacing the cam belt, and many mail orders for cam belt kits with a water pump on top.

We advise accordingly but it falls on deaf ears most of the time.

Forums....

cheers
Kev
Dont complain lol, You advise correctly they ignore you and spend more money with you lol, So your in a win win situation.
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Gyres?

Re the bonnet, the blobeye sti bonnet don't half flex at high speed
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Gyres shud have been gyres (yet anothe iPhone autotxt fail)

Bonnet flex too right, even at 30-40 the movement still gets me thinking is it gonna fly up

Opinions and hopefully lots of different ones is what makes forums great, being old enough to be around before the interweb, finding info & getting ideas was so much harder
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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It did again, TYRES that's what I bloody meant, next test I'm gonna do is repeatedly hit this phone with a genuine filter & K&N filter see which filter lasts the longest or whether iPhone wins
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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to the gather ill bid you 20.00 pound for that filter : >
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Subaru-Impreza...item414b1deab0 This is the one I'm trying next,apparently as good as oem.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 07:03 PM
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I found with a couple of blueprint ones,the thread that the filter has to enable it to screw into place,on some,was more inwards whcih meant it only actually gripped with say,1 or 2 turns of the thread,rather than all the thread,if that makes sense ?

never leaked,but agai,to remove was a case of grip,twist and slight turn and it was loose/off
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 07:14 PM
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It sure does if it doesnt screw on too good i will chop it and post the pics and see whats inside these.
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to the gather ill bid you 20.00 pound for that filter : >

+vat ?
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its a deal gaffer ill be on the phone tomorrow with my card details lol
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i have used blue prints in the past but only when i could not get hold of a subaru one on the day
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ive just ordered a blueprint one. hope its ok.
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Is nobody concerned with getting an oil filter with the correct bypass valve fitted?

The only filters that have the correct bypass on this thread are the new and old subaru filters and the mazda rx8 filters yet still people say they're getting k&n or blueprint.

Also (as The Rig said) the sunken thread on the blueprint filters isn't great, they barely take much more than a thread deep when scewed on.
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=309756 This explains the bypass,as far as i know blueprint are oem spec and as you say k&n are set about 8lbs lower although i have used them for a few years without a problem.How i understand it if you use different grades of oil the same filter bypass will release at different times dependant on what oil you have .Although im not sure of anything anymore.
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Yes, it was the point I was making earlier in the thread.

Obviously the bypass is related to pressure differential, most people on here use a thicker oil than subaru spec and the cold bypass and high rpm bypass is going to be greater on these oils imo. Pair that with a low bypass sprung filter such as the k&n and it makes you wonder how much less filtration will be going on over 6 months of cold starts? Enough to be causing more wear than the OE filter?

Subaru spec'd a filter with a high pressure bypass spring to keep up with the pump flow and maintain filtration when a lower sprung filter would be partially bypassing the filter media.
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many people seem to have used the blueprint ones with no issues.but now the threads dont pick up enough?
should i not fit it?
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Originally Posted by jameswrx
Yes, it was the point I was making earlier in the thread.

Obviously the bypass is related to pressure differential, most people on here use a thicker oil than subaru spec and the cold bypass and high rpm bypass is going to be greater on these oils imo. Pair that with a low bypass sprung filter such as the k&n and it makes you wonder how much less filtration will be going on over 6 months of cold starts? Enough to be causing more wear than the OE filter?

Subaru spec'd a filter with a high pressure bypass spring to keep up with the pump flow and maintain filtration when a lower sprung filter would be partially bypassing the filter media.

Yup; 10w-60 and 15w-50 users take note.
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Yup; 10w-60 and 15w-50 users take note.
Fit magnets... just in case
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Fit magnets... just in case



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Is there an oil filter that has NEVER failed on an engine? Until I find out I will stick with OEM.
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Originally Posted by jameswrx
Is nobody concerned with getting an oil filter with the correct bypass valve fitted?

The only filters that have the correct bypass on this thread are the new and old subaru filters and the mazda rx8 filters yet still people say they're getting k&n or blueprint.

Also (as The Rig said) the sunken thread on the blueprint filters isn't great, they barely take much more than a thread deep when scewed on.

Have Subaru ever officially made a statement as to why they changed from Roki (old oem & 'new' Mazda RX8) ...to Honeywell (new blue)??
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I think the video shows the reason they changed, cost! The price is still relatively high yet the filter (by the looks of it) obviously costs them a lot less. I'd imagine oil filters are a nice little earner for Subaru.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ Internet Brands
Fit magnets... just in case
Waste of money from what I've been told. Infact I've got one on Ebay if you fancy a bid.
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