YOUR VIEWS ON SPIRITUALIST MEDIUMS...???
05 February 2011, 11:10 PM
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It's not all black and white where this is concerned, and to class em' with paedophiles, come one you don't really believe that?
05 February 2011, 11:20 PM
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Hi Claire..
I think most people on this particular forum have lost someone close. It is, imo, stupid to think of a higher being or a super natural state that a certain person can communicate with.
There is no science for it.
I think most people on this particular forum have lost someone close. It is, imo, stupid to think of a higher being or a super natural state that a certain person can communicate with.
There is no science for it.
05 February 2011, 11:24 PM
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agreed, there is no scientific proof for it at all but i personally found that it helped me through the grieving process, i had no interest in it before he died and i have no interest in it now we're 3 years on, people do alot stupider things when they're in an emotional state than to think that they can communicate with a dead loved one
06 February 2011, 02:32 AM
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It is understandable that going to a medium or alike may offer the bereaved some relief. But one is never certain whether medium is definitely talking to the lost loved one or not. That is why a lot of people would see it as an unethical trade, where service provider may be encashing on service user's desperation and vulnerability, using white lies to heal the pain. Saying that, if customer is ready to be in denial to the posibility of lies in order to gain some relief, that's fine, too. I agree with Claire's saying that some would do more stupid things than going to the medium in a grief-striken emotional state. Some grief-struck people commit suicide, some self-harm, some indulge into alcohol, and some get into substance misuse. For some, one trip to a medium can save that gradual deterioration, reliable or not. So, there is a justification to such practice from another angle, fair enough.
06 February 2011, 08:07 AM
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06 February 2011, 08:32 AM
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Interesting topic. I expect some people will have had some more positive experiences but dare not say so due to the high proportion of negativity surrounding the subject. I may have had my opinion changed massively recently, but have done so in such a way as it will be proven beyond doubt to be true. Will try and pop on later to explain!
06 February 2011, 08:45 AM
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06 February 2011, 09:00 AM
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People willingly hand over good money to see Paul McKenna, and I would say it's certain a significant proportion of them also believe his abilities go beyond those of a mere illusionist (albeit a very polished and talented one). What's more, NONE of his publicity or promo material attempts to dispel the mystique over how he manages to perform his tricks or stunts, and in fact a lot of it seems to actively encourage the belief, suspicion or presumption that he has supernatural powers of one kind or another. So, does that make him a paedophile? Have you protested to Channel4 to have him taken off the air and arrested?
06 February 2011, 10:01 AM
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Most of the experts say the desire or even need to believe in some higher power is pretty deeply rooted in the human psyche, going back a long way before recorded history, so it's not that surprising stuff like this is popular as it is, with the void left by the massive decline in organized religion.
Think how many people read horoscopes in the paper every morning and actually believe there might be some truth to it. It boggles the mind how anyone could, but thousands upon thousands regularly do.
Think how many people read horoscopes in the paper every morning and actually believe there might be some truth to it. It boggles the mind how anyone could, but thousands upon thousands regularly do.
06 February 2011, 10:59 AM
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People willingly hand over good money to see Paul McKenna, and I would say it's certain a significant proportion of them also believe his abilities go beyond those of a mere illusionist (albeit a very polished and talented one). What's more, NONE of his publicity or promo material attempts to dispel the mystique over how he manages to perform his tricks or stunts, and in fact a lot of it seems to actively encourage the belief, suspicion or presumption that he has supernatural powers of one kind or another. So, does that make him a paedophile? Have you protested to Channel4 to have him taken off the air and arrested?
Paul McKenna is a hypnotist not a psychic.
06 February 2011, 10:59 AM
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the problem is nobody in the right minds trusts any *internet facts*. You are unable to provide indisputable evidence I'd guess.
It's quite hard to debunk as people *believe*
I wonder how many mediums would disappear if there was no money in it for them?
06 February 2011, 11:15 AM
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I didnt say I was interested in convincing anyone else, only relaying an intersting story. I have witnessed a live medium turn a relative of mine, an old lady, to tears with a piece of information that NOBODY, including me, could have guessed, and I have made it my business to find out factually if this information was correct. Like I say, its a long story so I will try and write it out in an understandable manner later.
06 February 2011, 11:17 AM
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Don't really have a massive opinion on this but...
Why do "shows" that charge punters if it's really genuine? I think this is a case of the mind creating justification as it's desperate for answers. You know, the old "Is there a Brain here..." no answer "Doe's anyone know a Brian" no answer "wait a minute... it's coming through clearer... does anyone know a Ryan" ... hands goes up and away it goes.
Why do "shows" that charge punters if it's really genuine? I think this is a case of the mind creating justification as it's desperate for answers. You know, the old "Is there a Brain here..." no answer "Doe's anyone know a Brian" no answer "wait a minute... it's coming through clearer... does anyone know a Ryan" ... hands goes up and away it goes.
06 February 2011, 11:29 AM
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Don't really have a massive opinion on this but...
Why do "shows" that charge punters if it's really genuine? I think this is a case of the mind creating justification as it's desperate for answers. You know, the old "Is there a Brain here..." no answer "Doe's anyone know a Brian" no answer "wait a minute... it's coming through clearer... does anyone know a Ryan" ... hands goes up and away it goes.
Why do "shows" that charge punters if it's really genuine? I think this is a case of the mind creating justification as it's desperate for answers. You know, the old "Is there a Brain here..." no answer "Doe's anyone know a Brian" no answer "wait a minute... it's coming through clearer... does anyone know a Ryan" ... hands goes up and away it goes.
NO he got hit by an elephant that fell out the back of a 747 whilst he was fighting lord blackhart's favourite dragon with only an onion and a compase to defend himself
06 February 2011, 11:56 AM
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The crystal healers round here can cure cancer an numerous other incurable disceases
all i know is if you find yourself in a room with them and they start chanting JOIN THE FLOCK, smile casually walk towards the door,
open it step outside,and RUN LIKE F@CK OH AND DONT FORGET TO TAKE YOUR BANK DETAILS WITH YOU
all i know is if you find yourself in a room with them and they start chanting JOIN THE FLOCK, smile casually walk towards the door, open it step outside,and RUN LIKE F@CK OH AND DONT FORGET TO TAKE YOUR BANK DETAILS WITH YOU
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06 February 2011, 01:17 PM
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I didnt say I was interested in convincing anyone else, only relaying an intersting story. I have witnessed a live medium turn a relative of mine, an old lady, to tears with a piece of information that NOBODY, including me, could have guessed, and I have made it my business to find out factually if this information was correct. Like I say, its a long story so I will try and write it out in an understandable manner later.
I remain unconvinced by the majority but if it can be proven I would like to hear more.
