hmmmm, Honda are (and have been for many years) the Worlds largest engine manufacturer....they dont need to "catch up" with euroboxes in terms of engines, that i will say.

This thread keeps ticking over, what we have is an old fella, in an old fella's car; rattling the young fella's up at every given opportunity.

My challenge here is this is SNET, not HondaNET; so i for one would appreciate the lectures around costs ending; some time soon.

 

How many diesels have 190 bhp and 350 lb ft unless you get to the realms of £40k 3 litre BMW 330/335, which when driven hard enough to keep up with Imprezas only return around 30 mpg anyway ? In addition, there's nothing more 'Chavy' than the sight of a hard driven diesel with a smokey black exhaust a la Del Boy.

 

there isnt 1 Paul unless its somebody whos actively mapped there car to get MORE POWER due to the lack of in the first instance

 

Are you related by anychance to PS lol

tell me this is your oil burner Mapped ? and is yours PS ?

and if so why did you map it ?

 

99% of the world map there cars for 1 thing, to go faster end of

Youve said it yourself

more Power
Drivability
something a diesal lacks,
MPG questionable, yes its claimed but in reality nobody maps for that gain.

 

I daren't post a piccie ... you may start to get ideas above your station - only real drivers can handle the rear wheel drive MX5 .... Impreza drivers, with their AWD and other drivers aids would struggle hugely - it's a bit beyond you.

 

Done the women ( a few at least ) - had the kids - but, I must say, I have never felt the need to hold up the words of a McDonalds Manager to support the belief that my car was great!!

 

True - Honda make very fine engines.

I 'think' I am right that the 2.2 Diesel I have is their first foray into the Diesel arena - they got it spot-on too.

Sadly, that engine cannot meet the tougher EU Emmission regs so is being phased out - so, if you want one, time is running out!

 

Those figures can be obtained from my engine with a re-map .... so they say -

 

Mine is still under Warranty - so, no re-map ...... 340Nm is straight out-the-box .... I know that massive Torque figure sounds strange and out-of-this-world to a Scooby owner, but, it is true!!! AND for much less than the price of a Scooby!

Win Win Win .....

 

^^ 250 lb/ft2 Pete isn't really alll that

TX.

 

So Honda cannot develop an engine to meet the Euro 5/6 emissions legislation, that's laughable. You will probably find they went for a 2.2 litre engine as their engine will not meet the Euro 4 legislation at 2.0 litre or lower, by using a larger CC they can get away with it by offsetting the emissions against the CC.

At work we have 7,9,11,13 and 16 litre engines which already meet the Euro 5 & 6 legislation, and Euro 7 will already be in development.

 

Not if you drive the Wagon

 

God help me but Im thinking more like PsLewis these days & am seriously considering chopping in my daily drive Impreza Type R for a BMW 520d!!! Maybe Im just getting old!!!

 

Your tourque comes early and finishes early as well m8, unfortunately. 1.5k rpm to ...... what???? 4k rpm ??? Don't make me laugh aye . Also someone on here mentioned that u had the bog stock uk spec scoob ??? So thats 215 bhp ???? U've probably have never drove a proper scoob But its all a good banter at the end of the day isn't it Mr. Lewis?








Oh and also ......

 

Yes, between 1500 and 4000 RPM it's a rocket ship .... learn to change at 3500 and you get to do it all again .... all the way up to 6th gear!!

It's brilliant - you should see the faces on the Scooby owners as I fly by ...... big BHP ain't no good if you haven't got that Torque, see?

 

Very true....power is not everything.....it's tourque what matters off the line BUT,i bet scoobies are not trying enough as they see an old man sitting at the wheel They are just not prepeared someone to shoot off the traffic lights with a diesel civic in the 1st thing i reckon. Next time u see a chav in a scoob at the trafic lights, rev your engine so he can be ready, just up to the limit m8 40-50 mp/h . Oh dear u would be left if i start on boost in my 1st or 2nd gear. Anyways it's a nice everyday diesel car u have there . But thats jut all it is, everyday family hatch. I'd have that as everyday and keep my scoob as a weekend fun, no matter the cost etc., can't compare a finger with a di*k

 

You must meet nothing but Impreza 1.5 Rs then, Pete

 

Thats funny, I thought that BHP was a direct result of torque combined with revs. I.e. BHP is the underlining measure of what power can be had from a car and how fast it will go.

 

340 nm is approx 250.7 ftlb, is that enough for you to get excited about?? Trying not to compare chalk & cheese, the impreza 2.0D RX diesel is 258 ftlb & I'd say impreza awd would do it for me, ONLY if I had to choose derv in a life or death scenario.

 

will this rocket ship be appearing on any 1/4 mile strips etc this year? or will you be calculating your latest mpg

 

its bad that i kind of agree with pete here, i'm actually just about to sell one of my imprezas due to the fact i've had two now that have been so unreliable i have been kind of put off the marque. i know i've been unlucky but i don't have a bottomless pit and have decided to go to a mondeo diesel for a while, the tdci 130. with a remap it might just make 155bhp and quite a bit of torque which i know is not comparable to the scoobs but i may be able to save up some money again from the fuel and road tax which is less and get my silver impreza back on the road again one day.

 

You may have a point there .... a chav in a Scooby looks across as the lights turn amber, sees a 72 year old in a Civic Diesel and thinks nothing of it - until the OAP floors it and slickly moves up gears keeping the Honda on boost and, quite frankly, humiliating the Scooby ..... the chav has barely touched his Burberry GearKnob when the Honda and OAP have disappeared over the horizon!! Such fun

I know that my Scooby was absolute crap if caught off boost .... that's when I get 'em see?

Overtaking is another area where the Honda shows how to do it ..... whooooosh, gone on a wave of torque fuelled acceleration.

Wake up, smell the coffee, a lot of fun can be had for a fraction of the costs involved in running a Scooby - Scoobys are great, always have been ..... but, they should be left for the hobbyists, weekenders and Chavs!

 

Agree on what m8??? Does your problems with them cars make them worse than your diesel mondeo? Don't think so , it's just your experience with them, that's all. Are they both classics??? Their more then 10-13 years old now dude, all cars will have some problems at the kind of age. But that doesn't make them less capable the a diesel civic or mondeo .....You've said very clear here " i know is not comparable to the scoobs but i may be able to save up some money again from the fuel and road tax which is less and get my silver impreza back on the road again one day" So the only thing we can agree with Pete on this thread is that diesels are better as everyday car for doing long miles and saving some cash.

 

EFA

 

Now we talking Pete Yes, driving techiques are as important as other aspects. And yes scoobys are for hobbyists, enthusiasts, weekenders, and chavs get them now as their cheap. So we ain't talking bout mpgs other everyday stuff anymore??? Me , like an enthusiast appreciate for it what it is, i don't care thats its not as capable as it used to be , and theres always gonna be someone faster, better than you. It's more of a socializing thing, meets, track days, Tunnel runs FUN. I was doing that with honda boys back in a days as well, as i had a prelude vti. I doubt people do diesel civic , mondeo or some other such sort of vehicle meets. Every car has been made for it's on purpose....

 

Now that made me laugh Pete,must be all that power i couldn't handle.

 

2 things come to mind

Either Grump Old man
Ruled by a wife with an iron Rod

fun though

 

good choice im going for a tdci 2.2 tdci and having a remap

 

So with all that torque and Honda's first forray into the diesel sector, I suppose your hoping that their renowned reliability record with the tried and tested petrol engines holds true with their diesels because you wouldn't want to fork out for one of those expensive dual mass fly wheels that modern diesels are fitted with and suffer problems with fairly regularly, now that would really dent the economy drive .