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So with all that torque and Honda's first forray into the diesel sector, I suppose your hoping that their renowned reliability record with the tried and tested petrol engines holds true with their diesels because you wouldn't want to fork out for one of those expensive dual mass fly wheels that modern diesels are fitted with and suffer problems with fairly regularly, now that would really dent the economy drive 
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It's not a TVR or an Alfa you know!?
It ain't a Subaru either .... Subaru are the kings of reliability - but Honda aren't too far behind
Now now psl. A diesel (with sufficient torque) once moving will keep up with many cars, subaru's included. But beating them off the line???? now your just talking absolute nonsense. 0-60 times on diesels are horrible! and I have tried this against my mates subaru. Its not even a contest. From 30mph onwards tho theres not much in it
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If you read what I was saying I was saying if the Scooby driver didn't 'expect' an explosive start off the line from the Diesel.
Obviously, in a planned race off the line the Scooby would be marginally ahead - but I was talking about catching-out the Chav who wasn't ready, maybe he looked across at me in my Honda diesel - saw an old fella - and thought he wouldn't even have to have the turbo ready spooled ..... then, the Honda is ahead by a substantial margin, the Scooby couldn't catch up.
I know, I have owned both ... I know that a Scooby (off boost) is very slow - and many cars can catch one out. On boost it is a different story, of course. But sneak up on a Scooby and you can blow it into the weeds in most modern diesels
Just how it is.
Obviously, in a planned race off the line the Scooby would be marginally ahead - but I was talking about catching-out the Chav who wasn't ready, maybe he looked across at me in my Honda diesel - saw an old fella - and thought he wouldn't even have to have the turbo ready spooled ..... then, the Honda is ahead by a substantial margin, the Scooby couldn't catch up.
I know, I have owned both ... I know that a Scooby (off boost) is very slow - and many cars can catch one out. On boost it is a different story, of course. But sneak up on a Scooby and you can blow it into the weeds in most modern diesels
Just how it is.
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LOL, close the thread! Close the thread!
My WRX is pants off boost and at 30 mph is more w4nk than a pushbike with no pedals.
(Eh? lol)
But, Honda's are for old ppl and for that reason only, I cannot buy one
Now on the other hand, 335d, 535d M sports are really tempting me atm!
My WRX is pants off boost and at 30 mph is more w4nk than a pushbike with no pedals.
(Eh? lol)
But, Honda's are for old ppl and for that reason only, I cannot buy one
Now on the other hand, 335d, 535d M sports are really tempting me atm!
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If you read what I was saying I was saying if the Scooby driver didn't 'expect' an explosive start off the line from the Diesel.
Obviously, in a planned race off the line the Scooby would be marginally ahead - but I was talking about catching-out the Chav who wasn't ready, maybe he looked across at me in my Honda diesel - saw an old fella - and thought he wouldn't even have to have the turbo ready spooled ..... then, the Honda is ahead by a substantial margin, the Scooby couldn't catch up.
I know, I have owned both ... I know that a Scooby (off boost) is very slow - and many cars can catch one out. On boost it is a different story, of course. But sneak up on a Scooby and you can blow it into the weeds in most modern diesels
Just how it is.
Obviously, in a planned race off the line the Scooby would be marginally ahead - but I was talking about catching-out the Chav who wasn't ready, maybe he looked across at me in my Honda diesel - saw an old fella - and thought he wouldn't even have to have the turbo ready spooled ..... then, the Honda is ahead by a substantial margin, the Scooby couldn't catch up.
I know, I have owned both ... I know that a Scooby (off boost) is very slow - and many cars can catch one out. On boost it is a different story, of course. But sneak up on a Scooby and you can blow it into the weeds in most modern diesels
Just how it is.
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It's true .. I don't want to encourage people who are happy to drive gas guzzlers to switch - I would have to pay more then in taxes somewhere .... so, please, carry on paying a massive amount for your pleasures.
I owned an Impreza for 10 years and loved every moment of it ... but, I didn't buy another. I wanted to, but the price, quality, equipment and running costs were complete madness ..... despite my ability to pay for it all should I want to.
I have now owned the Diesel Honda for 7 months - have I missed the Scooby? Well, yes, twice.
Once when an Alfa accelerated off a roundabout and, despite my massive torque and power, I couldn't stay with him (maybe I was caught off guard) but I wished I had the Scooby under my right foot in that moment.
And another time was when the roads were thick with snow and ice .... obviously the AWD would have been better than huge torque through the front wheels.
Other than that, I can honestly say that the Honda has delivered on every level .. day after day after day .. from the dual climate control to the torque figures, from the 55 mpg to the overtaking power, from the superbly built interior to the automatic wipers, from the stunningly good looks to the huge boot space.
Time have moved on, the time to have had an Impreza Turbo was 1990 - 2010 ... 20 years of being the best car money could buy .... of that there is no doubt. But now? Nah - it just doesn't add up anymore - everything comes to an end.
To those who love their Impreza's despite the costs, I know where you are and I respect that - but, truly, times are different and diesels are amazing.
I owned an Impreza for 10 years and loved every moment of it ... but, I didn't buy another. I wanted to, but the price, quality, equipment and running costs were complete madness ..... despite my ability to pay for it all should I want to.
I have now owned the Diesel Honda for 7 months - have I missed the Scooby? Well, yes, twice.
Once when an Alfa accelerated off a roundabout and, despite my massive torque and power, I couldn't stay with him (maybe I was caught off guard) but I wished I had the Scooby under my right foot in that moment.
And another time was when the roads were thick with snow and ice .... obviously the AWD would have been better than huge torque through the front wheels.
Other than that, I can honestly say that the Honda has delivered on every level .. day after day after day .. from the dual climate control to the torque figures, from the 55 mpg to the overtaking power, from the superbly built interior to the automatic wipers, from the stunningly good looks to the huge boot space.
Time have moved on, the time to have had an Impreza Turbo was 1990 - 2010 ... 20 years of being the best car money could buy .... of that there is no doubt. But now? Nah - it just doesn't add up anymore - everything comes to an end.
To those who love their Impreza's despite the costs, I know where you are and I respect that - but, truly, times are different and diesels are amazing.
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Around 3-5 yrs ago a Sunday paper released the results of a customer survey into cars reliabilty....In ten (10) years (data via the world wide dealer networks at the time) Honda engine's suffered NIL engine failures due to mechanical failure/ defect. Not one Honda had broken down in a decade. 100% reliability from properly maintained Engines....truely un heard of....i think Mercedez at the time were about 92nd out of 100 (****), with Honda 1.
Subaru are not kings of reliability in comparison with Honda, however as said comparing the 2 is like chalk and cheese, built for totally different things, Honda's are built for old guys who cant get it up and if if they did, would be despirate for a p1ss before they even tried to remember how to use it...Subaru's are built for Farmers, or petrol heads....not the elderly and infermed.
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Japanese brands dominate used car reliability survey
July 5, 2010 By News
Japanese brands represent the most reliable cars sold in the UK, according to the latest Warranty Direct and What Car? survey.
For the 5th year running Honda tops the yearly car reliability study, with just 7% needing repairs in a 12 month period.
Lexus, which has just launched an engine recall in the UK, came 4th and Toyota, which was hit by a major recall in February, came 5th.
The only European brands in the top 10 were Skoda and Mini, with Kia being the highest placed non-Japanese Asian carmaker.
The research comes from Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies on cars aged three to 10-years old.
Land Rover proved to be the least reliable manufacturer out of the 32 included in the study, with 53% of cars suffering a fault, while Alfa Romeo and Renault are also among the most likely to break down.
Most reliable car manufacturers
1 Honda
2 Subaru
3 Mitsubishi
4 Lexus
5 Toyota
6 Mazda
7 Nissan
8 Skoda
9 Kia
10 Mini
Least reliable car manufacturers
1 Land Rover
2 Alfa Romeo
3 Renault
4 Saab
5 MG
6 Vauxhall
7 Peugeot
8 Audi
9 Rover
10 BMW
Read more: http://www.motor-trade-insider.com/i...#ixzz1BP1E9XMg
July 5, 2010 By News
Japanese brands represent the most reliable cars sold in the UK, according to the latest Warranty Direct and What Car? survey.
For the 5th year running Honda tops the yearly car reliability study, with just 7% needing repairs in a 12 month period.
Lexus, which has just launched an engine recall in the UK, came 4th and Toyota, which was hit by a major recall in February, came 5th.
The only European brands in the top 10 were Skoda and Mini, with Kia being the highest placed non-Japanese Asian carmaker.
The research comes from Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies on cars aged three to 10-years old.
Land Rover proved to be the least reliable manufacturer out of the 32 included in the study, with 53% of cars suffering a fault, while Alfa Romeo and Renault are also among the most likely to break down.
Most reliable car manufacturers
1 Honda
2 Subaru
3 Mitsubishi
4 Lexus
5 Toyota
6 Mazda
7 Nissan
8 Skoda
9 Kia
10 Mini
Least reliable car manufacturers
1 Land Rover
2 Alfa Romeo
3 Renault
4 Saab
5 MG
6 Vauxhall
7 Peugeot
8 Audi
9 Rover
10 BMW
Read more: http://www.motor-trade-insider.com/i...#ixzz1BP1E9XMg
I would just be slightly worried that as Honda haven't made a diesel until recently the reliability may not be up there with their petrol engines and as you keep your cars for ten years it may not always be plain sailing.
I am sure that Honda will have tested them to destruction though.
On another note, I know of a chap that has recently chopped his 10 plate Civic type s in for a 53 plate WRX, wonder why that might be. Perhaps he wants to have some fun.
So shall we summarise?
The OP believes that his Honda Cheese Wedge sorry I meant Civic 2.2 Diesel is more than a match for a turbocharged petrol Subaru Impreza?
He believes despite the facts and figures that he can 'own' any of us in a traffic light GP and that once rolling his quite frankly unimpressive lump of torque from 1500-3000rpm will see any of us off.
He believes that Diesel cars are the future despite the fact that his own car has been discontinued as it cannot be the future emission standards; I can see the residual values dropping like a brick on his car as nobody wants 'last years model' especially in the market where this type of car resides.
Never mind Dignitas, I think that he should be directed towards getting some special care which involves a white garment which allows the wearer to be restrained by fastening at the back, a bit like the below:
The only difference between Hanibal Lecter and PSLewis is that one of them talks sense and the other drives a Honda.
The OP believes that his Honda Cheese Wedge sorry I meant Civic 2.2 Diesel is more than a match for a turbocharged petrol Subaru Impreza?
He believes despite the facts and figures that he can 'own' any of us in a traffic light GP and that once rolling his quite frankly unimpressive lump of torque from 1500-3000rpm will see any of us off.
He believes that Diesel cars are the future despite the fact that his own car has been discontinued as it cannot be the future emission standards; I can see the residual values dropping like a brick on his car as nobody wants 'last years model' especially in the market where this type of car resides.
Never mind Dignitas, I think that he should be directed towards getting some special care which involves a white garment which allows the wearer to be restrained by fastening at the back, a bit like the below:
The only difference between Hanibal Lecter and PSLewis is that one of them talks sense and the other drives a Honda.
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Alright guys come on we should stop this now. I meet people with inferiority complexes all the time and it isnt nice for them. Add to that the horrible sinking feeling that occurs when it dawns on you that you've made a terrible mistake and you can't but understand all thats been said.
PSL thats a cracking car you've got there, a brilliant choice, in fact I can see some Porsche drivers making a visit to a few Honda showrooms soon Im sure
PSL thats a cracking car you've got there, a brilliant choice, in fact I can see some Porsche drivers making a visit to a few Honda showrooms soon Im sure
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My 911 is a goner, my spec d a thing of mysery...PSL your right, we are all getting a Honda and renaming SNET DieselNET......we were all wrong; all this time......How stupid do we feel.....
Gonna get me a Honda 2.2, i hear they can easily take an Impreza out, mearly by changing gear earlier.....thats what i'm gettin...
Gonna get me a Honda 2.2, i hear they can easily take an Impreza out, mearly by changing gear earlier.....thats what i'm gettin...
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I got a sound tape of a narrow boat on a river powering past me, just so i can get used to the "powerfull purrrrr" of that Diesel lump, and drown out the lifeless drone of a Boxer...
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A mate of ours cuts our 'edges with is turbo diesel, it do frighten the 'orses a bit, but does a proper job.
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Well, strangely enough, I am the only one who can speak with authority on this matter.
Having actually owned both, driven both, paid for both and experienced both.
Therefore, I will thank you to have some respect for your elders!!
Whoever gets to the petrol station first doesn't really matter - as the Scooby will be stopping for 15 minutes to fill up!
So, taking this a bit further, on a journey of 250 miles the Honda Civic will get there first .... simple maths - fact - truth .... one will arrive in a stunning modern diesel, the other will arrive a bit later in a ChavMobile
Having actually owned both, driven both, paid for both and experienced both.
Therefore, I will thank you to have some respect for your elders!!
Whoever gets to the petrol station first doesn't really matter - as the Scooby will be stopping for 15 minutes to fill up!
So, taking this a bit further, on a journey of 250 miles the Honda Civic will get there first .... simple maths - fact - truth .... one will arrive in a stunning modern diesel, the other will arrive a bit later in a ChavMobile
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and then every other journey that isnt that long...with which you will get there later anyway....sorry I forgot, thats a cracking car you've got there, a brilliant choice, in fact I can see some Porsche drivers making a visit to a few Honda showrooms soon Im sure.