GazTheHat

Just because i don't own, doesn't mean i'm not aware. I have access to all the Apple products, so can compare. I'm not blind, like most of your comments are. Have you not noticed 5 pages of comments trying to correct you?

Look. I don't want to turn this into a me against you, just be aware that there are other options. Broaden your horizons. Yes Apple is good, it's not the be-all and end-all of technology. In fact Apple are behind the curve right now and are playing catch-up. They sat on their hands for too long when they took the lead and got overtook. And now their marketing of badging old technology as new gimmicks is only fooling the "less than tech-savvy". Let's just say it's technology for painting-by-numbers, where phones are concerned.

Fairplay for doing your homework. Yeah i ride with one stick. Doesn't mean i hate on the two-planker-*******.

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

OMG, you don't have a clue do you.

What cant my inferior iMac not do, that your superior Pc can do.

I am going to love this answer.

JackClark

I used to keep an old IBM Dual Processor PII running for years beyond it's sell by date, and yes it kind of did everything, it just did everything badly, very badly. It was a hobby and my friends laughed at me for being a tight git.

I bet Premier Pro runs like a dream on your 2003 system

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JackClark

Gaz, I can hardly be accused of not doing my homework, I run pretty much every popular system out there and make money doing it. I even ran a Blackberry whist being called an iPhone fanboy, until it got stolen, not sorry to see that piece of poo go I can tell you.

You keep saying that Apple are behind the curve, sitting on their hands, a marketing machine, but you don't give examples. Microsoft have done some lovely things with Windows 7 phone, perhaps you could pick out a distinguishing feature we could agree on. Or just a little hint as to why Apple are behind would be nice.

Take this thread for example, who else has an App store? You know Store as in taking and making money? Apple's store for Desktop Applications is already a resounding success for Apple users, Apple and a multitude of Developers, why can't you applaud them for that achievement? It's not hard, you just say "Well Done".

Don't get trapped like F1, how can he now go out and buy an Apple product after talking so much trash. A shame as he's only biting his own nose off.

I ride snowboard too.

Iain Young

To be fair, he didn't say which version of Premiere Pro he was using. Version 1.0/1.5 and probably 2.0 will run absolutely fine on an older machine like that. It's only the newer versions which include editing for HD video etc that require the beefier processors. I can quite happily run Premiere Pro CS4 on my 4 year old laptop (upgraded to running WIndows 7 64bit).

JackClark

Absolutely Iain, but he was commenting on the fact that I just bought and am running the latest version of a software package - and OS of course - on my Five year old Mac. Apples for Apple eh.

Iain Young

Intel have got one for the pc. You can buy angry birds from it

The app store could also be seen as a bad thing. It creates a monopoly on software distribution, and censors the software that users can use to that written either by itself, or vetted by it. Apple of course also takes a percentage of every sale, (thus reducing the profits for developers), stifles competition, and potentially suppresses variety and experimentation. Generally bad news all round.

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

I wouldn't buy another Apple product simply because of the terrible support and user experience I have had from the Apple products I own (mostly related to the iPhone and also Windows software).

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Serious question? Are you retarded? If not what point are you actually trying to make?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Probably no worse than on your more expensive iMac Oh and it's Premiere Pro !

It actually works perfectly albeit being quite slow to render any edited output.

I just don't see what you were getting at by saying a 5 yo piece of hardware still works. Why shouldn't it?

As for a PC doing everything badly... it is not badly, just differently.

JackClark

Intel make an operating system? Who knew! Well fair play to them for integrating an App store into it and being the first to do it, I wish them great success.

It'll never be a monopoly on the desktop, well I hope not. It works great on iOS, but I doubt it'll work on the desktop. I conversely love that apps are vetted before I download and install them. Years of downloading broken promises and malware will do that. Take a look at the Android thread on here right now, unscrupulous behaviour by developers that's glossed over by the fandroids.

JackClark

It doesn't just work though F1, it works as if it were new running new software, it's perfectly synced with my brand new MacBook, you can't tell the difference when using them. Same software, all working perfectly. I did buy just at the right time though, a month earlier and I wouldn't have an Intel machine, machines pre Intel chips would behave like your old machine, unable to run latest versions and a bit clunky.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Er.... no I was commenting on your seeming surprise at you saying your 5 yo iMac was still working perfectly.

I can buy and install latest versions of software on my PC. Indeed I have the latest version of Office and Photoshop running on it. They run fine. I still don't see why you think your comments makes your iMac superior.

To me Macs and PCs do the same thing. No one is better than another, they are just different in how they do things.

The problem is Apple users seem to have a need to sing the praises of their purchases all the time. It's weird

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

So you admit there is no real difference betwen an 8 yo Mac and my 8 yo PC. Glad we got that sorted in the end.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

So Macs have not moved in in 5 years? Shame that

JackClark

Do you know what's weird, jumping on any thread where a product is praised and automatically slagging it off, then resorting to insulting the poster when you're proved wrong. That's weird.

And I'd bet cash your machine is like Triggers Broom.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Only the second Apple thread I have posted on in the last few months and I started the other (in praise actually) so your jumpimng on any thread thing is just crass nonsense.

It's a discussion forum, I have as much right to post as you. If you don't like it, don't post inviting replies.

You're like a child that just wants to get its own way and then throws its toys out the pram when it doesn't.

As for my PC who cares. It works for me and you are smug thinking what you own is better. So we're all happy

JackClark

I don't want you to stop, what better than a Jester to keep me amused when it's raining outside. Maybe I should fire up some PC's and maintain them instead.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I could come back with so many replies, but instead I will ask a serious question.

What do you do for a living that requires all this Apple top of the line mission critical hardware?

jura11

iTrader: (7)

Hi Jack i understand your point of view(on Apple App Store),but monopole on market is good just for Apple,without the proper concurrency,you are will prepare pay twice like normal.
How to say newer version of Adobe work great with old PC's,but on new version is mostly needed good gpu(nVidia with CUDA),because rendering is rendered via GPU(i think this is applied to CS4,CS5),my friend use P4 for rendering with GTX260(now have i-5 with 4GB DDR3 for 150£,which is impossible upgrade on Mac machines),its not fastest(on P4) but still good.
I have before older Mac G4 which has been good,but processing audio,making music in Logic 8 has been pain.
Anyway Apple Apps Store is good idea,but is dangerous in just one hands,like App store on iPhone or other phones.I don't like the smartphones,due app stores...


Jura

JackClark

Top of the line? You mean my Five year old iMac? My 3GS iPhone? OK I admit that due to a burglary I had to replace my Four year old Macbook and chose to do so with the best available, but I'm hardly top of the stack am I.

But anyhow, to answer your question directly, I bought a top of the line Macbook because I travel for more than six months of the year, often just my laptop, phone and a Paraglider. It's important that it works every time I need it, that it excels in what it does and that it'll carry on doing those things for a long time. Apple have never let me down.

I worked for McAfee in the development office for 12 years, we worked with a lot of PC's and Programs it was enough to make anyone switch.

For pocket money I create critical networks in unusual places, PC, Ubuntu and embedded Linux.

How about you, what happened that makes you react so negatively to praise? it's quite likely treatable, I believe there are doctors in NSR.

Scooby Soon!

well installed my first app from the Imac appstore and it seems to have installed some auto startup rubbish

Its called Evernote, seems to be starting up every time I turn the imac on

Still got my imac "L" plates on so hopefully I can stop it starting up...

jura11

iTrader: (7)

Hi there PC is sorted?Or still not boot?



Jura

JackClark

I think that's the idea with Evernote, it's running all the time so you can take notes.

Answer here http://superuser.com/questions/20760...-6-snow-leopar

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I thought you had already told me that I develop **** sites for a living hence my love of Flash

I come from an Oracle backgrund but now develop dynamic webisites (not just **** ) and do photography for a living. I use PCs for the main as that is where I came from but have a Mac for testing purposes. Don;t have any real preference over one or the other ... they are just tools to me.

As for the doctors I contacted them, but they all said they are too busy helping you with your psychiatric problems

GazTheHat

I take it you didn't read my post fully, with the last line saying "where phones are concerned".

There was nowhere i said iMac's are inferior. It's amazing how defensive people get over their tech & gadgets. Why bother?!?!

MDS_WRX

iTrader: (1)

Leave you with change out of £1000?

kernel

Unless you have an old Power PC based mac.....

Well said that man! Pants

Run Ztree? If there is an equivalent I'm keen to find it. Never got one when I asked elsewhere. Plus I can't easily do development for the mobile phone module I'm writing code for as the SDK was developed for XP only (I know, hardly Apple's fault but you did ask )

JackClark

Windows runs great on Intel Mac's and is supported by Apple. Great for separating work from pleasure.

Geezer

Wow, well done. If I bought a PC made by Microsoft that was as locked down and propriety as Mac stuff, that would run without issue for x years too.

When you consider what Windows has to work with, it's a miracle it works at all. OSX, iOS, it's a piece of p1ss, it's all enclosed.

What slows down Windows machines is all the tat that inexperienced people put on them. You just can't put it on a Mac because it's niche, so few people wish to develop for it.

My last Windows machine lasted 8 years. Considering the way I mistreated it in terms of what went on and how little maintenance I was prepared to do, it should have got a medal! And it didn't cost me a grand...........

I know you will just call me an Apple hater, or bitter, but I am neither. I hate or love MS as much as I do Apple, they are as bad/good as each other, but at least I admit their shortcomings, not claim one of them is the second coming

Geezer

JackClark

If we were on an episode of QI the buzzer would sound for every paragraph Geezer, give it up or come up with a good argument. Why do you care so much about my liking something you're prepared to embarrass yourself posting.