Leslie

Nothing broad about my statement in the way that you mean at all. What I said is absolutely true.

That is a great long rambling account which actually proves nothing. Are you trying to justify breaking the speed limits? I did not state any particular spot, it is perfectly obvious that it is more dangerous to go speeding in some places more than others. Where did I deny that?

What you don't mention is that however much brakes and handling etc. have improved, the human body and its reactions and basic abilities have not. With the immense increase in traffic density as well in this country, then if you deliberately break all the speed limits, you are more likely to screw up and have an accident and also when you do have one, the consequences will be worse at the higher speeds.

Are you advocating breaking the speed limits, do you feel you have a god given right to do that? Are you personally good enough to be able to cope with that? Do you deny that it is more sensible and fairer on other road users to obey the speed limits?

Safe driving on our roads has to cover people of all personal abilities. Some are better than others. Road safety has to cover for people of all abilities and the only way is to set safe speed limits with that in mind.

If you are such a star driver, why not do a track day or two just to find out how good you actually are. You might get a shock!

Les

scooby-tc

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this is ridiculous IMO next they will be banning the use of sat navs with speed camera locations on like some of Europe as well as prosecuting councils for putting up camera signs and anyone and everyone who give a prior warning of approaching speed cameras.This country is a laughing stock and its getting worse by the day

Dedrater

alcazar

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In France, since Sarko becoame president, speed cameras are proliferating like mushrooms, there's two or more new ones every time I go a particular route.

However, if you see a sign saying cameras, you KNOW there WILL BE one within a mile or so.

Theirs are MUCH more hidden than ours, usually near ground level and grey with just an adeging of yellow/black tape.

Their speed traps are also VERY sneaky, I've seen guys lying down in the hatch of supposedly broken down cars on motorway hard shoulders. Loads of stuff around to make it LOOK like a breakdown too.
Also seen unmarked cars with the radar fastened to the outer edge of the wheelarch, guy inside with computer, motorcyclists down the road. THAT one is a nightmare to spot, as it could be on ANY parked car.
They aslo build them into motorway barriers and even into dustbins

Fines are awful, STARTING at €90 and rising VERY steeply as your speed over the posted limit does.

And for non-nationals, no points YET, but pay on the spot or have your car immobilised until you do.

I RARELY exceed their posted limits, the French, however seem not to care.

Herbie.

Yup, the old codger just incriminated himself. All the evidence the police needed to convict him.

gallois

What do you mean it proves nothing?

i have just told you that driving on the autobhan at unlimited speeds poses no greater casualty risk than driving at 70mph on UK roads....you chose not to respond to that. Answer me why? because you think that excessive speed causes more deaths? yet it does not, speed cameras have actually increased the accident rate in some locations, why is this? this is counter to your statement of 'Its so annoying though when the speedster kills one of your close relatives!' unless you were not being broad at all, and was being very specific

And no i am not advocating breaking the speed limit outside schools or in busy places, but i am completely against a limit which has been put in place simply for revenue collection, and there are many. I am also against the 70mph limit on motorways, i won't explain why it was introduced.

i also get annoyed by hysterical bollox with no foundation.

heres some interesting rambling facts for you, although somehow i don't think they'll make any difference to certain people.

ONLY 5% of accidents are caused by excessive speed.
just 12% of fatalities were caused with excessive speed as the main factor.
Falling asleep at the wheel and driving under the influence take more lives than speeding alone ever could. Speed or rather momentum is a factor in every single accident without exception, it is a part of motoring, narrow mindedness and hysterics usually come from people who simply cannot fathom that. They seem to think that 70mph is safe, 75mph is relative killing lunacy...................get a fkin grip. 70mph in thick fog is OK? because it is not speeding?

INAPROPRIATE speed kills. regardless of whether this is exceeding the posted limit or not.

50% of ALL drivers exceed the speed limit on motorways, (a hell of a lot of relative-killing speedsters out there).

I would flash oncomig cars if there was a sneaky cash cow )or (cash pig)hidden just out of a NSL to 30 (we have a few, no reason for it, no houses for a further mile, it used to go from 60 to 40, then to 30 where the houses start. Wasn't enough money in it though. so it changed to 30 overnight.

I would not flash a reckless driver to warn them i.e. outside a school, but then again, they never set up shop there do they, not enough money in it.

Terminator X

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Pathetic ... the driver should have just denied it, impossible to prove that he flashed his lights or why he did so.

TX.

Terminator X

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Les drives everywhere at that speed, he's v old

TX.

my06 ppp silver

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same thing happened about 10 yrs ago. same circumstances, when in court the defense Q the police about the REASON for the speed trap, whas it A. to prevent motorists from speeding in a well known accident spot, thus, preventing injury, possibly saving lives and raising local awareness? ....... or was it B. merely as a way of raising revenue locally by targetting a known stretch of road whilst there manpower possibly could of been more effective in other areas/roles?
respectfully (honestly?) the police answered with response A. to which the defense was that then the Driver in question was merely assisting the police in their efforts to slow people down.


just to add.... all these people stating they are holier than thou by NEVER speeding imo are liars. if so, get yourself a car more suited to your style of driving, a micra perhaps!