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10 January 2011, 07:43 AM
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Ok people calm down.
J I waited two days after the car was mapped to find out what was going on properly, not Simons fault but someones also I sent pm but he said that he didn't get it even though it's still in my sent box. Slagin off if u can call it that was done before I found out.
J I waited two days after the car was mapped to find out what was going on properly, not Simons fault but someones also I sent pm but he said that he didn't get it even though it's still in my sent box. Slagin off if u can call it that was done before I found out.
10 January 2011, 08:24 AM
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and my original post was if you already have the licence why go backwards no amount of software will make wrong parts fitted right will they?
read the post properly please.
"no disrespect to fb and duncan as i know they get great results"
"anybody can download os and call them self a mapper" point meaning ecutek have a selected few mappers where ANY home user can get os
read the post properly please.
"no disrespect to fb and duncan as i know they get great results"
"anybody can download os and call them self a mapper" point meaning ecutek have a selected few mappers where ANY home user can get os
10 January 2011, 10:43 AM
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I can see valid points from everyside here and i can understand op fustrations obviously this has massively been blown out of proportion by other peoples opinions
we all have a car that has many different options for modification i understand that OS can be downloaded and mapped by anyone but what also needs to be noted is that if just anyone Downloaded OS mapping and tried to map a car without a sound understanding of what they are doing things can go very very wrong and on that persons head be it
I personnally have used FB tuning for much of the work on my car and cannot fault his attention to detail i have watched Richard go around a car 3 time checking things that he has undone this to me say he has a very OCD based attention to detail
I cannot speack for any other mappers or specialists but they all have recogision on this forum and beyond for being very good at what they do and for this we should be thankful because they use this forum to help us free of charge with there wealth of information
we all have a car that has many different options for modification i understand that OS can be downloaded and mapped by anyone but what also needs to be noted is that if just anyone Downloaded OS mapping and tried to map a car without a sound understanding of what they are doing things can go very very wrong and on that persons head be it
I personnally have used FB tuning for much of the work on my car and cannot fault his attention to detail i have watched Richard go around a car 3 time checking things that he has undone this to me say he has a very OCD based attention to detail
I cannot speack for any other mappers or specialists but they all have recogision on this forum and beyond for being very good at what they do and for this we should be thankful because they use this forum to help us free of charge with there wealth of information
10 January 2011, 08:08 PM
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This kind of story will end with the OP fixing the issues outlined and taking the car elsewhere to be finished off and then give them all the credit, despite all the hard work and advice I have given.
Cant win sometimes
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Cant win sometimes
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I think observing human nature is a very interesting passtime and it is amazing how many guys on here either cannot read or if they can read have a major comprehension and communication block. Pity your laptop can't do mods on human brain boxes.
10 January 2011, 08:37 PM
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Why not get the problems brought to your attention and get it back to Simon to re-check and re-map?
Some very interesting points on this thread.
I'll back up what Angers said. Simon has been mapping my car for the past 3/4 years and sometimes I wasn't happy with the results yet I was happy with Simon's feedback he gave me and went home and changed or moved what Simon suggested.
Also I had a problem recently with my car and thought it was ECU related. Simon off his own back popped over to my love nest and dianosed the fault and wasn't even ECU related.
Thing is, it's human nature. You want the best to be the best blah blah blah. OP has spent a lot of pennies and the results are low. Your right to feel cheesed mate I feel you pain. But I can safely say that Simon not only a good mapper but a nice bloke too. Would be a valid reason for your low readings.
I've done most of the bits on my car out of my pokey little garage but every now and then take my car to a tuner etc. Rich (FB) does a good job from what I have seen recently on here and have no doubt he will do a good job.
I'll be interested to know once the problems brought to your attention have been seen to what the final results make back with JGM?
I'm sure this will come to a conclusion at some point or another.
Steve
Some very interesting points on this thread.
I'll back up what Angers said. Simon has been mapping my car for the past 3/4 years and sometimes I wasn't happy with the results yet I was happy with Simon's feedback he gave me and went home and changed or moved what Simon suggested.
Also I had a problem recently with my car and thought it was ECU related. Simon off his own back popped over to my love nest and dianosed the fault and wasn't even ECU related.
Thing is, it's human nature. You want the best to be the best blah blah blah. OP has spent a lot of pennies and the results are low. Your right to feel cheesed mate I feel you pain. But I can safely say that Simon not only a good mapper but a nice bloke too. Would be a valid reason for your low readings.
I've done most of the bits on my car out of my pokey little garage but every now and then take my car to a tuner etc. Rich (FB) does a good job from what I have seen recently on here and have no doubt he will do a good job.
I'll be interested to know once the problems brought to your attention have been seen to what the final results make back with JGM?
I'm sure this will come to a conclusion at some point or another.
Steve
10 January 2011, 09:01 PM
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Cheers Steve, i didnt bother to collect the car as Simon & the garage pmd me with the fault and said the problem could be... so no point in taking the car. i only spoke to him face to face and yes he was a nice chap. cars getting re done on Wednesday i hope.
10 January 2011, 09:08 PM
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I have been asked to map it with suggested changes by the workshop and am due there Friday afternoon.
I believe though the actuator is planned to be adjusted not replaced, so it is possible this may still be an issue however is holds boost on the road so hopefully not.
Simon
I believe though the actuator is planned to be adjusted not replaced, so it is possible this may still be an issue however is holds boost on the road so hopefully not.
Simon
14 January 2011, 08:45 PM
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Late this afternoon I went to subaru4you to look at car.
Induvtion kit parts had arrived and already fitted and maf section much better size.
Actuator adjusted another 4 turns, evidence it had been adjusted before and we ran out of adjustment.
Car on dyno and rescaled the maf for new maf tube etc
Boost now 1.6bar dropping to 1.3bar by 6000rpm, actuator needs replacing if more power wanted.
Set about completing it at that and an exhaust gasket on the headers blew so unable to complete it and road test it.
Made 373bhp @1.3bar which imho is very good.
New actuator if you want more.
I suspect subaru4you will ring you tomorrow to discuss as you are their customer not mine.
Thanks
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Ps: can upload graph if you want
Induvtion kit parts had arrived and already fitted and maf section much better size.
Actuator adjusted another 4 turns, evidence it had been adjusted before and we ran out of adjustment.
Car on dyno and rescaled the maf for new maf tube etc
Boost now 1.6bar dropping to 1.3bar by 6000rpm, actuator needs replacing if more power wanted.
Set about completing it at that and an exhaust gasket on the headers blew so unable to complete it and road test it.
Made 373bhp @1.3bar which imho is very good.
New actuator if you want more.
I suspect subaru4you will ring you tomorrow to discuss as you are their customer not mine.
Thanks
Simon
Ps: can upload graph if you want
15 January 2011, 10:11 AM
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30 odd posts ago both Simon and I tried to help you and if you had read and understood what Simon was saying you would have fitted a different actuator and your job would be finished now.
Why 800cc injectors, parallel fuel rail and pressure regulator?
A lot of money spent needlessly here.
Is it a new turbo or refurbished and what was the intended power output?
What equal length manifold and what uppipe?
What front mount?
How big is the filter on your CAK?
If Simon has mapped this car already I am sure he will have a good idea as to why it is down on power. Rather than slag him before he responds would it not be a better idea to get his input and take it from there. By all means change your mapper but you are hardly giving Simon an opportunity to give you valuable input.
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On the road it is a different story and holds boost to redline and flies and I wouod estimate actually about 380bhp.
The induction kit cannot stay like it is so will need checking and tweaking once that is sorted and maybe worth considering an uprated actuator if you are just after dyno figures. Imho it is how the car drives that counts not all about the figures whic in this case dont show the true output.
Many thanks for being mature about it.
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I think observing human nature is a very interesting passtime and it is amazing how many guys on here either cannot read or if they can read have a major comprehension and communication block. Pity your laptop can't do mods on human brain boxes.
It is most frustrating trying to help people that cannot help themselves and for me it means I read some threads and think I can't be bothered which must be a shame for those that have a genuine wish to learn.
To explain further for those that do want to learn and know more, the loading on a rolling road will probably be different to that on the actual road. The turbo has to be under load to develop boost and hence power and it is for this reason that the turbo may not make full boost in lower gears but achieve target boost in 3rd if you are lucky and certainly in 4th and 5th on a 5 speed or 4th, 5th and 6th on a 6 speed.
Fitting an uprated actuator can (not always) assist in making boost to a greater extent earlier and this does help to compensate for the boost drop off on a rolling road where the load may be that bit less than on the open road. So if your mapper explains clearly that for dyno queening you need an uprated actuator it is wise to take that on board if you want do dyno queen.
Why 800cc injectors, parallel fuel rail and pressure regulator?
A lot of money spent needlessly here.
Is it a new turbo or refurbished and what was the intended power output?
What equal length manifold and what uppipe?
What front mount?
How big is the filter on your CAK?
If Simon has mapped this car already I am sure he will have a good idea as to why it is down on power. Rather than slag him before he responds would it not be a better idea to get his input and take it from there. By all means change your mapper but you are hardly giving Simon an opportunity to give you valuable input.
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On the road it is a different story and holds boost to redline and flies and I wouod estimate actually about 380bhp.
The induction kit cannot stay like it is so will need checking and tweaking once that is sorted and maybe worth considering an uprated actuator if you are just after dyno figures. Imho it is how the car drives that counts not all about the figures whic in this case dont show the true output.
Many thanks for being mature about it.
and
I think observing human nature is a very interesting passtime and it is amazing how many guys on here either cannot read or if they can read have a major comprehension and communication block. Pity your laptop can't do mods on human brain boxes.
It is most frustrating trying to help people that cannot help themselves and for me it means I read some threads and think I can't be bothered which must be a shame for those that have a genuine wish to learn.
To explain further for those that do want to learn and know more, the loading on a rolling road will probably be different to that on the actual road. The turbo has to be under load to develop boost and hence power and it is for this reason that the turbo may not make full boost in lower gears but achieve target boost in 3rd if you are lucky and certainly in 4th and 5th on a 5 speed or 4th, 5th and 6th on a 6 speed.
Fitting an uprated actuator can (not always) assist in making boost to a greater extent earlier and this does help to compensate for the boost drop off on a rolling road where the load may be that bit less than on the open road. So if your mapper explains clearly that for dyno queening you need an uprated actuator it is wise to take that on board if you want do dyno queen.
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15 January 2011, 10:51 AM
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Harvey I haven't got paper work in the box so I don't know where to return this stuff to u. Address please.
And yes keep on waisting your time, u seem to do that alot of it.
And yes keep on waisting your time, u seem to do that alot of it.
16 January 2011, 02:13 AM
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To explain further for those that do want to learn and know more, the loading on a rolling road will probably be different to that on the actual road. The turbo has to be under load to develop boost and hence power and it is for this reason that the turbo may not make full boost in lower gears but achieve target boost in 3rd if you are lucky and certainly in 4th and 5th on a 5 speed or 4th, 5th and 6th on a 6 speed.
Fitting an uprated actuator can (not always) assist in making boost to a greater extent earlier and this does help to compensate for the boost drop off on a rolling road where the load may be that bit less than on the open road. So if your mapper explains clearly that for dyno queening you need an uprated actuator it is wise to take that on board if you want do dyno queen.
Well it's all over now and this should be a lesson for OP, let's forget the sh*** of the previous posts. OP wanted numbers which he didn't get in the begining and for his frustration mouthed a bit without the actual idea of a problem. 
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16 January 2011, 04:55 PM
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Why not stick the flange adaptor up your rectum as I have wasted enough time on you.
I explained clearly what I could supply and it is down to your ineptitude that you ordered the wrong part after explaining exactly what I was supplying so I won't be wasting any more time on you. Goodbye.
I explained clearly what I could supply and it is down to your ineptitude that you ordered the wrong part after explaining exactly what I was supplying so I won't be wasting any more time on you. Goodbye.
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