alcazar

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No, I'm not saying that Morettes + uprated bulbs is the only way, in fact I have a set of OE crystal lights waiting modification like Darms and Stevo210 did, onmce I can afford the projectors. That's one reason I'm interested in those e-bay ones, but a PROPER set are going to set me back in the region of £300

If I ever hear anything from the e-bay seller, I'll post on here.

One of the reasons I no longer advise people to buy Morettes is that they aren't available for classics now, and the existing ones are most likely to have problems with the inner main beam lenses, which are ALSO no longer available.

So far, my research has led me to state that if you want headlights on aclassic that produce good cutoff and are correctly focused, the ONLY way is now to go projector retrofit.

Avoid H4 HIDs at ALL COSTS.

rossi_p

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I have darms how to guide here ready to crack on at some point. I just need to source all the parts and get cracking. All a bit daunting to be honest! Agree that that are the best way forward but just wasn't sure as you mentioned in an earlier post that retrofitting may be deemed illegal...

Many thanks clarifying.

Marcusie1984

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I had hid's in my Integra for about 4 years never got pulled for em. Pretty much all my mates have them even my dad! Lol. But come mot time put standard back in

harvey

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Rossi: Just fit Phillips Rally 100/90 H4 and you will be very imprezzed with the improvement. Trust me.
If you want the supplier I will look it out for you.

dan83590

http://www.autolamps-online.com/products/h4rally.htm

Are these the same? Is the price good?

ALi-B

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Higher wattage halogens is a good alternative.

I used to use 130/90watt H4 Lucas branded halogens on my Classic scoob for as long as I owned it (glass lenses, not crystal). And were only slightly more exensive than a normal branded H4.

Certainaly a marked improvement over the stock 60/55watt H4s.

Only modification I did was re-making the earths to the headlamps.


(I have previously tried "Vision+" and "X-treme power" branded 60/55w h4 bulbs in the past and couldn't really notice any difference to a new pair of standrad Osrams)

DazW

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Just to note, retro-fitting is just as illegal/legal/grey area as a 'HID kit' ... & afaia 100/90's & 130/90's are definitely not road legal (no 'E' marks on anything over 55w)

harvey

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Daz : That is exactly correct. E marked road bulbs must be 55W/60. I am not interested in E Marks. I only want best vision in the dark hence the problem with H4 HIDs on full beam.
Ali : I have not tried the Lucas but I uprated the wiring and fitted a couple of relays and tried a number of rally bulbs up to 150W. They certainly gave bright light and were good for blinding people who did not dip their lights but the focus was not good so long range vision was not as good as it could have been. Although the Phillips 90W/100 are only 100 watt full beam, Phillips obviously have the resources to get the focus right and it is that which makes them so good with great precise long distance vision.

DazW

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harvey, if you're thinking of going down the Morette route, you can swap the Cibie H4 outer's to H1 which are a much better bulb/lamp imho, with the inner H2's taking care of main beam (but don't 'uprate' the H2's above 55w they'll blow constantly & are a pita to change!)

alcazar

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Unfortunately, it's the inners that are the most problem, they suffer terribly with reflector rust and the reflectors are now unobtainable.

alcazar

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I have received a response from the HIDs direct, who are e-bay sellers of the projector kits, they are going to post me a set of instructions.
They apologised that they had been busy.
We shall see.

DazW

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You can refurb if you get a couple of spares ...you do get them come up on fleabay quite regularly, peanuts too if they're rusty.

Or with a bit of metal work you can get wipac 4 3/4" (H3) to fit inside them

RE54

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here are mine...

i think the light is well concentrated and no one has complained about the output.

pic...


my quick thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/lighting-a...ml#post9811152

dan83590

What make are these HID's?

alcazar

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RE54, that looks quite good, but it's hard to tell with it against a bay window wall.
The driver's side looks less focused than the pasenger side, but again, that could be the wall.
The cutoff looks OK, but there is definitely scatter present compared to a proper HID projector.

RE54

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i got a decent video to upload, but it was filmed upside down, will show people what they look like.

burbling1

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My kit arrived today and I was really looking forward to fitting them tonight but after a quick look under the bonnet its not going to be a 5 minute job.
The biggest problem looks like finding somewere on the passenger side to mount the ballast. Were have you mounted yours on a classic?

Also the fact that its about 2 degs outside isnt incouraging me.

alcazar

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Which kit did you end up getting?

The ballsts for my HID driving lights are zip-tied to the uprights behind/at the side of the radiator, behind the grille.

harvey

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Daz: Thanks for that. Yes I am seriously considering Morettes and I can get a set for £290 complete new so I am looking at my options.
Jeff: The same people do spare parts so I will look out the details for you and let you make enquiries.
RE54: That looks better than most but we really need to see a long range shot because there is obviously a level of scatter.

harvey

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Upside down? Were you in Australia?

RE54

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i used a GORILLA tripod, had to clamp it round the incar mirror, and the camera was upside down. had a nightmere trying to swap it.

il get a few pics against a wall at different ranges.

rossi_p

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Thanks Harvey, I may get back to you on this. I would prefer to go the whole way with projectors but it depends if I can find the bits I need and muster the desire to actually do it...

Cracking

dan83590

The kit has been fitted. It's a H4 Hi/Low kit from Helligkeit, usually costing £44.00 from the likes of eBay. Luckily I didn't have to pay for the kit.

I lights are very very bright indeed, this is the positive part!

For all their brightness there seems to be very little light actually used on the road. There is some glare but not an awful lot. I have taken some picture for you all to digest.

Dipped is IMO is satisfatory, high beam is, well..... Imagine holding a security light out of the window. It's bright, but the light is everywhere. There is no focus.

I have not fitted these into a Subaru headlight. I used my Transit van, which has very good headlights. So what you will see is the HID kit at its best.

alcazar

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I can see what you mean, it falls into the usual H4 trap of usable dip, poor main beam.

dan83590

So H4 crap

alcazar

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Looks that way, but then, I'm yet to see EVIDENCE of a set of H4s that aren't.

pacenote

so you wire your lamps so that dip stops on with main beam

harvey

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If you actually mean what you have posted have you read the thread and are you sure you understand how H4 bulbs work on HID???

pacenote

oops, should have mentioned that I meant "Halogen H4's" and not HID as there is some mention of Halogens on this thread.....

alcazar

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LOL,
What you are suggesting would then give you more in the foreground, yes but wouldn't go anywhere towards solving the problem of poor focus on main beam.